zedvictor4

What's the weather like where you are?

Nope. It's just jargon and doesn't clarify anything.

I clarified the situation in the bits of my previous post that you overlooked.

Atheists do not make claims, and so have nothing to prove.

Theists claim that specific GODS exist.

Atheists do not claim that GODS do not exist.....All that atheists require is for you to unequivocally substantiate your claim.....And then we can all be true believers together.

It's not a Chicken and Egg scenario.

LOL.

So you can't solve them.

If you cannot prove that a specific GOD exists...Then I have nothing to prove

If you can prove that a specific GOD exists....Then I have nothing to prove.

It's the LAW of common sense.

Your above rhetoric, designed to confuse, nonetheless just goes around the houses and back to the start....If you really want to move your argument forwards, then the only way, will be to unequivocally prove that a specific GOD exists.....BOP.

There are logical reasons to assume every possibility....Even if those possibilities are seemingly illogical.

Smarties pants?

And for every assumption there is a counter assumption.....It's the inevitability of the unknown.

Notwithstanding common sense, of course.

"Re-egging"...Interesting use of words.

And yep I agree....God cannot be eternal.

Yep. No problems with the sweetener, but how much of a sweetener will be needed to convert the hardiest of anti-vaccers, do you think.

As for drink driving, perhaps the law is more lax in the U.S......Here in the U.K. the drink driving laws are tough and effective....But obviously not fool proof.

You're avoiding the question, as all theists do at this point.

I reiterate...I have made no claims, therefore I have nothing to prove.

You must unequivocally prove, an existent eternal GOD.....Bible stories are not unequivocal proof of this claim....In fact, bible stories are only  proof of  themselves.

Can you prove that a GOD exists and is eternal?......I have nothing to prove....It is you, who is making an unsubstantiated claim.

God is eternal...Baloney.

God is eternal, is an established epithet meaning you haven't actually got a clue.

Theists will always try and shift the B.O.P. because they have no actual proof of their claim.

So you're right...Theists make the claim....It's their B.O.P.

Atheists cannot disprove something that theists cannot prove.

And if theists could actually prove the existence of their specific GOD....Then rational thinkers would cease to be atheists.

Ah!  You compelled me to research stimulus check....That's the the difference between American and British English for you....I had no idea what n8 was on about.

OK. So your comparison is sort of reasonable.....But driving a car whilst under the influence of alcohol, is obviously not a sober choice.....Banning alcohol would be the solution, but people would be up in arms if their freedom to consume alcoholic beverages was taken away....... It's our right to choose to enjoy a beer, the pro-vaccers would shout.

Or are you suggesting that pro-vaccers never drink and drive?

And the level of sweetener required would depend upon the necessities of those that you are trying to sweeten....People will do all sorts of things for a buck if they are desperate.

Another anonymous with less than perfect English....What region of the World do you inhabit?

It would largely depend upon how much money White Russians had.....Money can buy you lots of admirers.....This is how cynical human beings really are.

He probably eats for a living.

Being a lawyer is just another way of maintaining a constant food supply....And being a lawyer won't stop one developing cancer or alzheimer's.

And apparently, neither does being lawyer prevent one from believing in fantasy tales.

For every jibe there is a counter jibe.

Aphilatelist.

The best argument for a GOD principle is purpose.

Though the Christian and other popular GOD concepts are too naive to be convincing.

Nope. Neither is correct.

Though once again feat is along the right lines.

So, you still can't solve them?

What money are you referring to?....I never implied anything about money.

And my Statements were completely logical.

If  vaccines are not 100% effective, then vaccinated people may still spread the infection to others ....Perhaps more so, as vaccinated people would probably  have a tendency to be less cautious..... It's a two way argument, as long as vaccines remain less than 100% effective.

So what's wrong with everyone be satisfied with their own  personal choice....Other than your dissatisfaction, of others being allowed to make a personal choose.

Lot's of people seemingly are convinced of the absolute truth of the bible, but how many actually  follow all the Levitical Laws?

I'm not even certain if it is possible to conform simultaneously to both,  the necessities of contemporary society. and the necessities of all biblical requirements.

I would further suggest that save for a few extreme zealots, most theists are probably unwittingly or even knowingly hypocritical.

Your arguments are extremely immature.

How about addressing my previous comments....Or do you find logic hard to cope with?

Well, that's the question I was expecting.

It simply boils down to trust I suppose....Sometimes we just have to have trust in things....Otherwise, how would we ever get anything done.

Sometimes philosophy can be stagnating.

Not sure how your last statement is relative to any of my previous comments.

And I would suggest that Axiom and ontology are not compatible...And similarly, ontology and fact are not compatible.

Notwithstanding that  fact and  lie are not synonymous. I assume that what you are asking is how do I decide if data presented as factual, is so, or if it is bogus. 

And the answer would be...If I feel that I cannot accept data at face value, I would have to verify utilising a reputable reference source.

Bogus data is not necessarily presented as a deliberate untruth.

Nonetheless, what was the purpose behind your question?

A. Those that choose vaccination will perhaps be protected, and B. Those that don't, won't be.

Therefore everyone should be satisfied with their own personal choice..... (As B will be no threat to A.)

All except those that are never satisfied with other people having the right to choose, of course.

People question and people fear death.....People make up answers and attempt to allay their fear of non-existence.

Atheism is a word that represents a collection of acquired data...And theism is also a word and represents another collection of acquired data.

And spirituality is an internal electro-chemical response to an external stimulus, which we also convert to, and store as, data.

Nope...Neither is correct.

Though how did you arrive at "hate".....You might be thinking along the right lines.

As I always say....The Bible is a naive hypothesis....That's not to say that I do not credit scientists of the day with their derived levels of understanding....Though what may or may not have occurred billions of years ago has always been speculated about, but has never be pinned down.

Darwin concerned himself with species evolution and development....In terms of universal evolution just one short chunk of comparatively recent events.....The Bible however plucks from thin air the notion that a speculative GOD figure created everything as is, just a few thousand years ago.

In terms of contradiction, you contradict yourself by acquiescing to the speculation of a pre sun/star universe, to use as evidence for a  very recent creation hypothesis.

Flood events occur and regional flood events can be catastrophic....But catastrophic flood events that occur in the southern U.S. for example do not effect the U.K. 

As I often say....A guy with a boat rescued a few goats....And the story tellers and scientists had a field day....And so Noah et al, saved a breeding pair of every species that existed at the time, in a vast boat that they were able quickly knock together....Not to mention all the dietary needs and associated food stuffs that it would have been necessary to acquire and store.....Come on Mr Ethan your cleverer than that.....And as this all happened just a few thousand years ago, how come humans are not all Middle Eastern in appearance.....Where did all the Chinese suddenly pop up from.....Perhaps when 30,000 feet of water oozed up out of the Earth's mantle, the clever Chinese hid underground.

Nope... The Bible and other associated naive hypotheses are just as much a product of material evolution as everything else is.

So you can't solve them?

Just puzzles...Why do I need certification?

Any puzzle such as these test your intelligence.

They come and they go.

Facts exist irrespective of unknowns.

You're still playing the semantics game.

Facts are facts for sure.

But where does the necessity of proof occur?...And what flippantly attributes facts with the quality of existence?

Atheists  believe in atheism .....That is a contradiction in terms....Atheists lack belief in concepts.

Atheists might accept logical concepts as worthy of consideration....But they do not believe in them.

The GOD principle is a logical concept and worthy of consideration....But theistic belief in an unproven, specific deity, is illogical.

Take heart....The good moderate people of America decided to get rid of the idiot Trump....Things change ....The U.K. changed and  the right is all but dead and we're a better society for it.

No joke.... Just hypothesising.

Life is short and the future is vast and technology has only just started....It's taken Hominids some 20 million years to get to where we are....I do not think that the evolution of  technology will be that slow.

Interesting......Create a forum about IQ and everyone's a genius.

Test their I.Q. and they all make excuses.

Things change....Some people stand still.

n8 my mistake.

Freedom of choice....Though defecating isn't the contentious function.

Lions whiskers and echo location....Different adaptation....Similar end result...Internal processing.

And humans are outsmarting and out-evolving themselves with technology...And our organic weaknesses will perhaps  be our limiting factor.

Do you think that we will still be in control  a 1000  or 10,000years from now?....Fleeting moments of universal time.

Maybe the whole point of evolution, is the attainment of the GOD principle....And humanity is but one stage of the process.

We are basically, only concerned with our own survival, for a few measly decades...Here and now.

Republican and Democrat are just labels that people apply to themselves every four years....Fortunately the majority of Americans are still reasonably moderate, and all have the same basic expectations and aspirations when they get up in the morning....Liberty being one of those expectations.

Drag Queens and Gender Confused individuals have always been with us... And so have  certain over zealous and self righteous tyrants who can't handle the fact, and they would  prefer to deny those confused people the right to their liberty.

So how was GOD created.....As GODS also needs to be made.....Was it GODS GOD.....And was GODS GOD made by GODS GODS GOD....And so on.

And don't give me all that GODS don't require creation baloney...That's just avoiding the issue.

N.B....I'm still not convinced that you're not a fraud.

No....One does not need clues or prompts to solve these simple puzzles....All that is required, is intelligence.

Yep....If you force feed kids nonsense, then your going to damage them.....

Sun first life second....Why....Who knows....Naive hypothetical texts are what they are.... Pie in the sky.

People will love and people will hate and people will care and people will find a reason to live....it's the nature of the beast.... A GOD is not necessarily required....But for some people it helps....It largely depends upon how we are formatively conditioned. 

Thanks.

To suggest different is an obvious contradiction of the basis of the Christian hypothesis.

If there was a GOD principle, it was probably an emotionless pure data source..... The new GOD principle has not yet been established.....That which shall perpetuate the universal sequence......Therein lies the porpoise Mikey.