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Where ever it is....Do you mean which.

No one knows what Jesus might of said, if anything at all....Some people supposedly wrote stuff down, but they clearly also made a lot of stuff up.

And I would suggest that "LUV" is an overused misrepresentation of brain function.... And Christianity is a following that has grown up around a pseudo creation hypothesis.

I would suggest that the majority of people go through their lives without ever considering a "world view".

For most people everything "is what it is" without consideration.

I argue the dems position because you argue the reps position. .....That's the general gist of it.

Though one doesn't need to have any political allegiance to understand that Mr T was inept,  academically challenged and not fit for purpose. 

I usually couldn't care less who is running the U.S.A.....But when you've obviously got a buffoon with their finger on the button, one has a tendency to get a little concerned.

And assuming that all Syrians are jihadists is like assuming that all white republicans are KKK.

Why are you so certain that "Mr. U is not natively of the English lexicon".

I would suggest that Mr U's non-native lexicon is far too stylised and contrived to be believable.

I never said that black lives do not matter to me.....That's quoting me out of context.

I was comparing  concern for strangers with concern for family...And all my family happen to be fair skinned.

In terms of respect, I have respect  for all human beings who would not choose to harm me......Perhaps that is the "ought" of mattering.

Well as I didn't initially propose a concept of nothing.....Then firstly tell me what is your concept of nothing.

I don't buy P.C. either...I'm just happy to sit on the fence and let other people get on with what they want to do.

If someone wishes to assume something, then that is up to them.....Though, I will support their right to have the freedom to assume....Rather than support those that would choose to deprive such freedoms.

It all depends on the concept of nothing.

What on earth is a non-native tongue?

If you mean that Mr U, seemingly doesn't have a good command of the English language. 

Then I would suggest that you read through their plethora of posts, and you will notice that Mr U's use of the English language is very variable.

And if you look a little closer at the structure and content of their narrative, I think that you will conclude as I have, that it is in fact Mr U who is taking the "Mikey".

And pointing out that it is Lucas's chair, is not semantics....It's correcting an error.

Mind is brain function, nothing more. 

To suggest otherwise, is to fantasise.

No functioning brain....No mind.

Antarctica.

A cold place for cold people.

They can bomb the f**k out of all those f**king nuisance f**king penguins.....Shi**ing in our backyard and stealing all our f**king fish.

And f**k happy feet.....That's fake f**king news.

Do you mean Lucas's Chair....Though I don't see the connection between that and being duped by Mr U.....Please explain.

LOL...Over here it just means panties or feminine underwear.....Not wishing to stereotype gender of course.

Nonetheless, the above response is also suggestive of miffedness.....It lacks your usual erudite confidence.

Interesting interjection there.

I would suggest that modern U.S. politics is now so polarised as to be indistinguishable....If you get my meaning.

I think that Orwell would have found it:

Well...That's a somewhat stylised response that doesn't take into account the whole  gamut of modern social interaction.

I was suggesting that levels of care are relative to association, and so the more remote and dissociated we are from one another the less we tend to care.

If my wife died I would be affected for a long time...If my next door neighbour died I would be temporarily affected....But this does not mean, that shooting my neighbour would be morally justifiable. 

AH...

I would suggest that thy rag was lost temporarily.

The Adam and Eve remark highlighted your previous contradictions, and so the atheists and idiots reply was born of frustration.

You had no real counter to my Syrian Kansas observation, as it was an irrefutable point....And so you reverted back to the old style sarcastic Mr E.

No worries, I fully understand.

And do you mean a hominid being, exhibiting a light skin tone, who perchance was conceived and born upon Planet Earth.

Which ancient writings?

My point was that formerly, information was passed by word of mouth....Then perhaps chiselled  hieroglyphics....Then perhaps hieroglyphics on papyrus, and so on.... Until eventually you end up with  your own modern version of a compilation of thoughts and ideas.....The basis of that information isn't to be found in your book, or a two thousand year old manuscript or on a four thousand year old tablet of stone..... The basis of that information begins when the first hominid is able  looks skywards and ask why.

I shouldn't even need to suggest this.

What I would suggest is, that  attempting to promote that the modern bible as a unique scientific thesis, is utterly absurd. 

True.

Realistic but not nihilistic.

Our lives  for their duration, will have meaning for us and our loved ones.

And all my loved ones are "white" and so no black lives matter that much to me.

But I will always be respectful of those who are respectful  of me.

Do you mean somewhat?....

Just trying to be active.

And so, is sitting in Mafia important?....Whatever that might entail.

Does school take priority over sitting in Mafia?

Have a go at my I.Q puzzles, you might find the second one interesting. (Concerning the validity of I.Q.)

Nothing is necessarily logically-necessary...But it helps.

And it also helps if things are empirically demonstrable.

Otherwise one hasn't got a lot to go on, other than wild assumption and  blind faith.

So are you suggesting that Adam and Eve, were basically bulls**t.....I would have to agree with you.

Though I would suggest that your ancestors probably originated from somewhere closer to Syria than to Kansas.

I firmly agree.

I would suggest.

It's the development of ideas and the transfer of data from generation to generation.

It would be foolish to think that all ideas and information started with the compilers of the bible tales.

And I would further suggest that middle of the road banality is on a two way highway....See what I did there?

Yep.... And do you understand my point.

Irrespective of how old the Universe is, matter has developed at the same rate, as governed by the laws of the universe. And therefore it is reasonable to suggest that intelligence and intelligent civilisations would have also developed at the same rate.

Unless you are proposing a multi-stage creation and universe....Though I think that the consensus is, that it all happened in one go.

Well, there won't be any old arses left...Just new old arses....and so on and so on.....And culture will erode and reshape like the desert sands, I would poetically suggest.

And what is an American?

And what is a Brit for that matter?

It doesn't matter if one  believes in the bible or if one believes in evolution...We all nonetheless believe that mankind originated from one place....I would suggest.

It's just that now they are pesky foreigners coming over here.

In layman's terms.

Sub atomic particles such as protons seemingly slip in and out of existence...They are always there but sometimes disappear.

The components of the universe when reduced to subatomic dimensions, might also display the same characteristics, slipping in an out of existence. They are always there but sometimes disappear.

So everything is always there.... And things don't change.... But things develop..... And nothing ever goes away.

One doesn't doubt the "freaking" size of the universe.....That wasn't the point.

I was suggesting that all those freakingly possible civilizations, might all share a universal and evolutionary commonality....That is to say that none of those civilisations has yet developed the capability of interstellar or intercalactic travel.

And no one is overlooking the fact that warp drives might be mathematically possible. But perhaps you are ignoring the fact, that as yet we are nowhere near developing warp drive technology....And so for the same reasons as above, it is  likely that  other civilisations elsewhere in the universe, have also not developed warp technology.

Maybe in the future, but probably not in our lifetimes Jim.

A basic principle of creation, is that everything began at one point, a "oneness"....And at the moment of creation SPACE, TIME, MATTER and ENERGY all came into existence.

Yep me too....But that's us here and now, conditioned as we are....And not the conditioned people of the future.

And a fair immigration policy isn't a bad idea per se.....But, sometimes the thinking behind the policy is bad.

Hi there Mr E.

Perhaps I like dominatrixes.

Well. If you agree with a fundamental principle of creation...Then if everything began as one, then logically, everything will remain as one...And at some point perhaps everything will return to a point of ultimate oneness......To be reborn.

I think that you are being conned.

Have a scan through Mr U's forum posts and you will probably see what I mean.

Sounds like your still miffed.

And panties?....You're better than that.

A reasonable suggestion might be that if universal progression is governed by physical laws, then evolutionary progression is governed by the same laws.

To that end, why should  it be expected that any other sentient organic civilisation/s, would be more advanced in terms of acquired knowledge and technology?.....Isn't that just the expectation of science fiction?

I would therefore suggest that if "alien" civilisations do in fact exist, then they are just as likely to be stranded by the vastness of a solar system and outer space, as we are.

Certainly if someone creates a narrative that is agreeable then one must be prepared to agree in principle.

Mr Ethan suggested that my approach to these forums  was "teach and preach", and so I modified my style accordingly. Therefore one would expect a reciprocal willingness to discuss.

And your correct, and as I attempted to point out, the fact that such concepts were touched upon in a creation hypothesis is neither amazing or unusual, in fact they are to be expected.

"The mind" is how we refer to internal electro-chemical physiological processes...... Particularly, processes relating to consciousness and conscious thought.

In other words, brain function.....Or as some people refer to it, "sloshy slinky stuff".

To read more into it, is to simply making use of said sloshy slinky processes.

Hey!

The same old getting nowhere fast......Other than side by side, hurtling towards death and decomposition.

I would suggest.

I would further disagree and say, that indirectly, but nonetheless relative to the reasons you gave above. No lives actually matter.

Certain people matter to certain people for certain reasons.

For example.... An earthquake claims hundreds of lives in Northern Pakistan...And some people will be overwrought, and some will be disturbed and the rest won't bat an eyelid.....Such is humanity.

What's the weather like with you Mr Ethan?

Presumably you know the porpoise of what you are on about Mikey..... Whilst quaffing your chardonnay and beer with Justin and Mr Hare.

Masses of what?

Isn't that clutching at straws? 

Attempting to coerce right wing law makers into making right wing decisions.....That's U.S. modern style democracy I suppose?

And I would suggest, that sensible people chose to vote by post because of the global pandemic.  Or is that an outrageous suggestion Mr Giuliani?

Very true.

I would suggest that certain things are the same, but we attach labels, for the sake of argument..

I would suggest that some talk about it and others think about it.

And I would further suggest that you have a stereotypically conservative image of  a threat to your establishment. Gleaned from  prejudiced third party conservative sources, with little knowledge of true facts and real people..... I'm just guessing though...(You may well be a volunteer aid worker. If so, then my unreserved apologies)

A bit like my old dad, who thought he despised all the coloured immigrants that came to the U.K. in the sixties, even though he never met a single one of them. Until he needed the help of a M.D. when his health was failing, and then of course he was most grateful.

And may I ask...Who is going to do all your dirty work for you. The British horticultural industry would have come to a grinding halt if it hadn't been for the hard work of Eastern European migrants.....And a few stay and most go home, and most would prefer to go home....

And the newer influx of Middle Eastern and North African migrants would also love to be at home.   If only, the U.S. and it's Allies hadn't bombed the f**k out of their homelands. (Just an easy  jibe, but with an undeniable  element of truth to it.)....Will it be Iranians next, when the U.S. and their Israeli overlords eventually decide to bomb the f**k out of Iran.....(Hurry up Mr Biden)....More jibes with elements of truth attached.

Nonetheless... The homogenization of humanity  will move inexorably onwards and the old guard will be left behind scratching their heads and arses....(In my opinion.)

Hay guys.... The normal hares are macho and delicious, and never mix your beer and your chardonnay, or you will be splitting your backside and kwuffing down the wall.

Anyway Mikey.

Because the picture is far far bigger than some people with established  ideas,  fears and prejudices.

And you do understand the point, because you were able to formulate a counter argument.

Nope. That's an effeminate guy...Not a "Gay Guy".

Some "Gay Guys" are big fat and hairy.

And some effeminate guys love a bit of p***y.

You just can't tell sometimes.

And do you think that there is no primitive murderous backwater culture lurking in Old America?

I would suggest that the intent of most potential immigrants, is the betterment of their lives, rather than murderous fanaticism.

I would further suggest that a movement from what is perceived to be a position of established security. Will always evoke a negative response....Especially from older people, who have a tendency to be fearful of change.

The U.S.A....A  new nation, wholly founded on immigrants, despising immigration.  To put it mildly, this does appear to be something of a hypocritical contradiction.

I would suggest that quiet white leafy America can still be quiet and leafy, but perhaps slightly off-white in the future....And we are always wary of new neighbours, especially if they don't match the established norm.

The benefit of living in the U.K..... Is that it is small, and consequently there is nowhere to hide from reality...In my opinion.

I would finally suggest that, evolution dictates that intellect rather than ethnicity is the only way forwards....And so we will need to embrace minds, rather than worry about the colour of the box their contained within.......Though a different issue perhaps.

I would suggest that living under a moral code is what we do.....But this manifests as a day to day performance, relative to how our society and ourselves are conditioned.

For sure, any divergence from the norm will effect a response ,which may or may not compel us to diverge from our moral norms.....But this is how things will play out in the  physical world, and not the same as philosophically analysing and discussing the internal manipulation of data.

My suggestion was simply, that the production of thought is the same process irrespective of how we label it.

This thought is subjective, this next thought will be objective.....I would suggest that all thoughts are personal, and therefore by the very nature of the independent process,  all thoughts are subjective irrespective of content.