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Notwithstanding that  fact and  lie are not synonymous. I assume that what you are asking is how do I decide if data presented as factual, is so, or if it is bogus. 

And the answer would be...If I feel that I cannot accept data at face value, I would have to verify utilising a reputable reference source.

Bogus data is not necessarily presented as a deliberate untruth.

Nonetheless, what was the purpose behind your question?

A. Those that choose vaccination will perhaps be protected, and B. Those that don't, won't be.

Therefore everyone should be satisfied with their own personal choice..... (As B will be no threat to A.)

All except those that are never satisfied with other people having the right to choose, of course.

People question and people fear death.....People make up answers and attempt to allay their fear of non-existence.

Atheism is a word that represents a collection of acquired data...And theism is also a word and represents another collection of acquired data.

And spirituality is an internal electro-chemical response to an external stimulus, which we also convert to, and store as, data.

Nope...Neither is correct.

Though how did you arrive at "hate".....You might be thinking along the right lines.

As I always say....The Bible is a naive hypothesis....That's not to say that I do not credit scientists of the day with their derived levels of understanding....Though what may or may not have occurred billions of years ago has always been speculated about, but has never be pinned down.

Darwin concerned himself with species evolution and development....In terms of universal evolution just one short chunk of comparatively recent events.....The Bible however plucks from thin air the notion that a speculative GOD figure created everything as is, just a few thousand years ago.

In terms of contradiction, you contradict yourself by acquiescing to the speculation of a pre sun/star universe, to use as evidence for a  very recent creation hypothesis.

Flood events occur and regional flood events can be catastrophic....But catastrophic flood events that occur in the southern U.S. for example do not effect the U.K. 

As I often say....A guy with a boat rescued a few goats....And the story tellers and scientists had a field day....And so Noah et al, saved a breeding pair of every species that existed at the time, in a vast boat that they were able quickly knock together....Not to mention all the dietary needs and associated food stuffs that it would have been necessary to acquire and store.....Come on Mr Ethan your cleverer than that.....And as this all happened just a few thousand years ago, how come humans are not all Middle Eastern in appearance.....Where did all the Chinese suddenly pop up from.....Perhaps when 30,000 feet of water oozed up out of the Earth's mantle, the clever Chinese hid underground.

Nope... The Bible and other associated naive hypotheses are just as much a product of material evolution as everything else is.

So you can't solve them?

Just puzzles...Why do I need certification?

Any puzzle such as these test your intelligence.

They come and they go.

Facts exist irrespective of unknowns.

You're still playing the semantics game.

Facts are facts for sure.

But where does the necessity of proof occur?...And what flippantly attributes facts with the quality of existence?

Atheists  believe in atheism .....That is a contradiction in terms....Atheists lack belief in concepts.

Atheists might accept logical concepts as worthy of consideration....But they do not believe in them.

The GOD principle is a logical concept and worthy of consideration....But theistic belief in an unproven, specific deity, is illogical.

Take heart....The good moderate people of America decided to get rid of the idiot Trump....Things change ....The U.K. changed and  the right is all but dead and we're a better society for it.

No joke.... Just hypothesising.

Life is short and the future is vast and technology has only just started....It's taken Hominids some 20 million years to get to where we are....I do not think that the evolution of  technology will be that slow.

Interesting......Create a forum about IQ and everyone's a genius.

Test their I.Q. and they all make excuses.

Things change....Some people stand still.

n8 my mistake.

Freedom of choice....Though defecating isn't the contentious function.

Lions whiskers and echo location....Different adaptation....Similar end result...Internal processing.

And humans are outsmarting and out-evolving themselves with technology...And our organic weaknesses will perhaps  be our limiting factor.

Do you think that we will still be in control  a 1000  or 10,000years from now?....Fleeting moments of universal time.

Maybe the whole point of evolution, is the attainment of the GOD principle....And humanity is but one stage of the process.

We are basically, only concerned with our own survival, for a few measly decades...Here and now.

Republican and Democrat are just labels that people apply to themselves every four years....Fortunately the majority of Americans are still reasonably moderate, and all have the same basic expectations and aspirations when they get up in the morning....Liberty being one of those expectations.

Drag Queens and Gender Confused individuals have always been with us... And so have  certain over zealous and self righteous tyrants who can't handle the fact, and they would  prefer to deny those confused people the right to their liberty.

So how was GOD created.....As GODS also needs to be made.....Was it GODS GOD.....And was GODS GOD made by GODS GODS GOD....And so on.

And don't give me all that GODS don't require creation baloney...That's just avoiding the issue.

N.B....I'm still not convinced that you're not a fraud.

No....One does not need clues or prompts to solve these simple puzzles....All that is required, is intelligence.

Yep....If you force feed kids nonsense, then your going to damage them.....

Sun first life second....Why....Who knows....Naive hypothetical texts are what they are.... Pie in the sky.

People will love and people will hate and people will care and people will find a reason to live....it's the nature of the beast.... A GOD is not necessarily required....But for some people it helps....It largely depends upon how we are formatively conditioned. 

Thanks.

To suggest different is an obvious contradiction of the basis of the Christian hypothesis.

If there was a GOD principle, it was probably an emotionless pure data source..... The new GOD principle has not yet been established.....That which shall perpetuate the universal sequence......Therein lies the porpoise Mikey.

Millions of people believe in a GOD, because millions of people are conditioned to believe in a GOD.

Teach your kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.

N.B. The GOD principle is not necessarily nonsense....Though associated human based and fantasy embellished mythologies tend to be nonsensical.

A. What if?

B. As correctly pointed out by Fauxlaw... A a few thousand years ago an Earth day was marked by sunrise to sunrise.....Give it whatever name you prefer.

C. Bible mythology is what it is.

Jesus if a reality, was a man born of a woman and latterly worshiped as a representation of a GOD....Therefore irrespective of the bible tales, Jesus is a GOD proxy, whether you like it or not.

And the Christian GOD hypothesis is a copy cat of all other GOD hypotheses the preceded it....The Sun probably being one of them.

Spirituality is an internal electro-chemical response to an external stimulus.....Which might or might be suggestive of something else or might just be pure physiology at play....We can but speculate and we can but imagine.

One either is or isn't conditioned to believe.

Atheism by definition is lacking belief....But "atheism" has become something  of a loaded term for some  theists....They like to read more into it for the sake of argument.

It has context.

Well stated.

Because both theism and atheism are concepts derived of data acquisition, storage and  manipulation....Trees  function.

No...As I specified previously, this is not a number sequence..... Both puzzles require lateral thinking....

Philosophy is generally, reasonable clever people trying to out-clever each other.....An observation not a criticism.

Nothing to get hung up about.

Jesus is a demigod... A GOD proxy.

And my point was that these various GOD proxies are all derived of the same original GOD hypothesis.

Worship the SUN and refer to it as the SUN of GOD if you like, it's just another GOD proxy..... And no more or less meaningful.

Though it could argued that realistically, the SUN of GOD is actually far more meaningful to us than the old SON of GOD myth.

The biggest assumption is that the bible is in anyway a completely accurate record of anything.

The bible is basically some facts (people and places), embellished with a super-natural creation hypothesis and an associated godhead....And this  was all compiled a few thousand years ago by a variety of literate but fallible humans.

A few thousand years ago, a day was a day, one rotation of the Earth marked by sunrise and sunset. How this period of duration was measured is irrelevant.

Assumptions were and are made to substantiate illogical ideas.....And even though we now have a far greater understanding of time and events....Some people are still having to make assumptions in order to substantiate outdated theistic hypotheses.

And Darwin, a conditioned thinker would consider creation and a creator....Creation and creator is a logical assumption for an evolutionist to make.

Well, I was just attempting to introduce a bit of fun to the subject of I.Q.

Neither puzzle is a trick, though both require a bit of lateral thinking, which as I see it, is the application of knowledge and intellect.

Where have the Genii gone, the ones who normally love to espouse their I.Q's when the subject is raised.

Have you worked them out?

Jesus was supposedly the Son of God...Not the big fella that got Jesus's Mom pregnant.

So the Christians have this Jesus fella, and Muslims have Muhammad, and the Catholics have the supposed virgin.

And the Big fella gets given various names, but he's essentially the same in all  takes of a regional creation hypothesis.

And other folk elsewhere, worshipped all manner of  other things.

Well, some things are just logical.

Absorbing only the information that we want to absorb is the human condition...Especially for oldies, rapidly approaching senility.

Me and Joe Biden...We're the exceptions to the rule.

As far as I am aware, all Abrahamic religions worship the same GOD.

It's the DEMIGODS that are the problem.

Evolution might be intelligently designed......And some people firmly believe so.....But no one actually knows.

And "Unintelligent Design" from a human grammatical point of view is "illogical gibberish".

Hey Mikey.

Notwithstanding that atheists don't subscribe to a GOD business, so consequently wouldn't expect to see one.

Yep. Religion is big business run by fat cats.

And what do porpoises have to do with it?

"Hypocrite"...Poor choice of words, in these circumstances.

I go cycling on Sundays, and convene with friends and nature and consider the GOD principle. No Malls around here.

Cycling's a bit like church, but a much healthier pastime.

Said Mikey to the Porpoise.

I'm fully aware of the words "truth" and "fact" and the definitions thereof.

But did you also take into account every other pertinent definition. Such as assume, ability and unknown.

You're breaking  statements down into their component parts and scrutinizing components separately, rather that scrutinizing the whole.

This becomes a lexical semantics argument, rather than a philosophical argument.

So you can't solve them.

The misinterpretation and misuse of words, or straying form formal definition is  commonplace.

Primarily, a fact is a known truth.

Though we have the ability to assume that there are unknown facts.

And a string of factors that make up a statement can be incorrectly regarded as being a fact...Such as, the Cat sat on the mat wearing a hat whilst, eating a Rat.

We assume that External reality is.....And internal data processing, though amazing, is inconsistent. 

OOOOH Mikey.....A nasty abscess for thirty days......Punishment enough.

Hey Mikey.

What's da porpoise of all dat rubbing?

Whoops!....Here, there and everywhere.

Hey Mikey.

What's the porpoise of the white nose?

So that Santa's reindeer can hide in the snow.

Dabee dabee dooooooo.