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On  an open forum, when is saying I ain't snitching, not snitching?

I regularly come to the bible as an atheist, and accept it for what it is. Which doesn't mean accepting everything as fact. As with all mythologies, it's pretty easy to determine which bits are perhaps fact and which bits are definitely fictional embellishment.

Both are simple games.

The difficult part is learning how to be better than everyone else.

What is normal, what is ordinary and is there a distinction to be made between a discussion and an argument?

And ad-hominem is usually indicative of a shortage of relevant information, so at that point it's best to walk away with confidence. 

And there are always going to people who want to be told what to do.

You seemed to be suggesting that Pi and physical laws were thus.

You seem to be contradicting yourself with this statement.

Well in all honesty, no one else on DebateArt attempts to understand your output because of it's vagueness and rambling nature, whereas I at least try.

A GOD principle is a simple proposition, that attempts to combine or reconcile the naivety of religious hypotheses with the fundamental complexities of a universe.

Further to this I simply suggest a sequence of universes enabled by the GOD principle. That is to say, an infinite sequence of finite universes, rather than one finite or infinite universe.

Ok.

So I thought I had a basic grasp of what you were attempting to say and It seemed to correspond with my ideas.

Maybe I was wrong.

Though I won't give up.

GOD principle other than word association, has nothing whatsoever to do with popular theism/deism.

In simple terms, GOD principle assumes certain universal properties,  requirements and an ultimate achievement.

Ok. So fair enough, multiverse has an established meaning, though it should have been clear that I subscribe to the notion of a sequence of uni-verses, based upon the finite possibilities of a single universe and the potential of the GOD principle/absolute truth.

So, Pi + all universal properties (physical laws) and the consequent  evolution of matter to a perfect and ultimate state = GOD principle = re-initiation and continuation of the sequence.

Interesting Historical reference.

I think that tyranny was pretty much the political norm back in the day.

Hopefully British society and most of the rest of Europe has evolved since then.

Though a few Ex-Soviet States-People still find it hard to grasp the concept of democracy.

Nonetheless, governance, order and a stable society, is founded upon hierarchy and certain limitations of freedom....It's the price we pay for sleeping soundly in our beds.

A. How lengthy does something need to be, to qualify as a tradition?

B. Some would say that "Right Wing  Conservative Politics" are tyrannical.

C. Freedom is expectancy based upon conditioning (what you're used to)....So  variations in levels of freedom will inevitably manifest objectively.

D. Social hierarchy preserves itself.

E. Mr Ethan is rigidly conditioned, but fun to debate with. So hopefully he will be back soon.

So.... Do we also agree that a universe dictated by said "truth" is "finite"?

As said truth or GOD principle has physical limitations dictated by "physical laws".

Does your cosmic trinity (which I far from fully understand) extend beyond the limitations of a singular finite universe.?....Multiverses if you like, though I prefer to consider the idea of sequential universes.

So one final proposition for you to consider......The truth or GOD principle is that which ensures the continuation of a universal sequence, and that which dictates a preordained evolutionary progression towards a final goal (re-initiation), of which humanity and it's knowledge is a crucial part.

Does it really say this in a bible somewhere?

Lying naked all day at a boys only convention, suggests only one thing to me.

Same as it ever was.

As I continue to state.... A lot of  bible tales are  metaphors for carnal desires....A sort of pre-curser to the porn mag.

So is what I refer to as a GOD principle the same as what you refer to as eternal truth?....All the necessary data required to perpetuate a universe or universes.

There's a certain illogic invested in that scenario.

Is the "being" dreaming that we are dreaming?

What specifically is an Asian?

Or more specifically which Asian sub-group are you singling out for consideration.

As Asia refers to  the largest continental land mass, and Asian refers to the diverse array of people that reside therein.

Well stated oromagi.

Just as no one is created conservative or otherwise.

Is an assumed "absolute truth" not superstition.?

Though was I not asking that very question?....So let me put it another way....Was Pi always there to be found?

Or, in simple terms, does the universe do what it does, irrespective of Pi.

Aren't you just extolling the virtues of humanity rather than extolling the absolute truth's of the universe.

You invoked Pi and gave it a spiritual flavour.

Therefore I was merely curious, regarding the origins of Pi.

Is Pi an innate universal component or just something that humans contrived to assist with their contrived mathematics?

Everything eventually boils down to "chemistry",  and all processes along the way are basically such...... "Ideology",  perceivable difference and the  formulation thereof, is not magic, but processes.

Did Archimedes the Albatross actually calculate and transfer Pi to knowledge?

Or was Archimedes the Albatross just simply, unknowingly instilled with Pi.

Everything apparently.

Though I'm not certain that melanin has DNA, per se.

Ebuc-cubE is mustardmadness.

Though to be fair, they might also be a genius.

Was Pi a known quantity pre-humanity?

2D is a myth.

Without a 3rd dimension existence is impossible.

Can you refute this basic logic?

Yep sure, I'm no different.

I take on board data and formulate ideas and responses.

Though, popular culture is  variable and all the available, diverse and opposing information is out there. I just don't see logic in popular theism/deism hypotheses.

Science is science (see basic definition). The knowledge derived from scientific scrutiny offers increasing levels of logical explanation....Nonetheless the inconceivable beginning remains so and we are left to speculate on the unknown fundamental principle.....Something from nothing....I am happy to refer to it as a GOD principle,  though  illogical tall tales just don't cut the mustard for me.

I would add, that like you my interest in such matters has come latterly. My formative conditioning was based in a Christian influenced society and education system, though my home life was very non-religious with a devoutly atheist Father and an indifferent Mother.....Therefore I think that it's fair to conclude, that how I think today is definitely reflective of my upbringing/conditioning.

Nope, it's feasible but unlikely.

In what image was a human like god created?.....And more importantly, how and from what? 

And what did said god create us from?....Are we therefore expected not just to accept an uncreated god, but also the uncreated raw materials of the universe? 

Basically, where did all the necessary stuff come from?.....it's a question that can easily be pushed to one side, but a question that will not go away, and a question that cannot be resolved.

Thanks for asking, but I am also not a gamer and probably not available at the necessary times.

Hmmmmm.

I feel that your syntax needs brushing up a tad, and that's a certain fact.

I was running with an idea that was genuinely interesting........ I try my best to engage. 

If they are legitimately trained, then presumably they are legitimate?

So what's the problem?

Perhaps you have a conditioned fear of others that are somewhat dissimilar to you.

The mass is you or I.

You would seem to be suggesting that we are an amalgamation of "twilight organisms". Which is a fascinating concept. So based on that suggestion we can further suggest that the function and processes of the mass are wholly reliant on the function and processes of "viri".

Relative to my previous questions though, how or what gives these twilight structures a potential other than just chemical structure?

If we regard the evolution of everything in terms of increasing scale of structure, could we not therefore suggest that "life" is perhaps a fundamental potential/component that reacts with specific chemical structures.....The real GOD particle perhaps.

1. In a corner is in a corner.    A squirrel will always try to run and evade if threatened.

2. Protect if possible, though when the odds are stacked against run and try again.

3. See rule 2.

The survival of the adult and it's breeding potential is paramount...Abandon and try again is often the only option.

Concept over instinct is an evolved human tendency. 

Interesting stuff.

So is the life of the mass, only function and process relative to the function and processes of "twilight organisms"?

Is the mass fundamentally an amalgamation of such organisms and do said organisms have potential that exceeds the potential of the mass?

Therefore is the human understanding of life based only in consciousness rather than in physical processes?

It's nothing to do with religion per se.....It's the nature of the State in which religion is practised.

In an authoritarian theocracy you would have been stoned to death for not being "Jewish" or "Christian".

Though who would know if you didn't say so?....

It's the dumb ass nature of religion.

And if one didn't expend energy in some form on the "sabbath" then one would be dead anyway.

And I think also that the Jewish sabbath is Friday pm until Saturday pm...Though correct me if I am wrong.

I would disagree.

Instinctively:

1. Fight or flight.

2. Survival at all cost.

3. Property is irrelevant.

What you promote as instinct I would regard as social expectation and materialism.

I would suggest that real instinct is anarchy, and "moral instinct" is the expectation of "THE COMMUNITY"....It's perhaps a case of the evolution of matter over mind.

OK.

So what is the difference between life and death?....Simply in terms of what is present one second and gone in the next.

I like this reference, but without the viri......But what renders such twilight organisms the power of life or life giving power.

if you dissected  every molecule of the mass and thereby understood every living process, would you be able to tell me what actually gives the mass life?

Yep I think that this clearly reflects the BLM mantra.

I hold that BLM is nothing more than contradictory racism.

By protesting against difference, you inadvertently or deliberately promote difference....And by violently protesting you just provoke animosity.

If you want to get ahead  in society then WORK at it and earn respect, and this applies to everyone irrespective of skin tone.

Very true.

The very nature of the mass (subconscious) and the programming of the mind makes the whole an integrated part of a system.

Half true is half untrue......Though you are correct, natural hierarchy will always eventually prevail.....So  better to have a fairly reasonable social system that offers opportunity, rather than an absolute them and us system, where you do as you are told.

And comedians are in it for the money just like everyone else.

Because they paid attention at school.

Though "sophisticated sentences" is something of a contradiction.

What is life?

Black Lives Matter is an inaccurate slogan that promotes racism simply by differentiating Black Lives.

Racism is not exclusive.

All Lives Matter would have been less discriminatory......Though the philosophical jury will always be out on this issue.

Well, atrocity is a collective decision...A social or "state" judgement that takes precedence over the rights of the individual..... Which was the point I was making.

"The state has absolutely no reason".......I would suggest that state/ society always has good reason to consider the implications of issues that may effect it.

I was merely suggesting that out of a population of 7.6 billion humans, the percentage of mature individuals that are physiologically  incapable of "normal" reproduction (male sperm producing and female egg producing) is extremely low....Other than this, I agree that how  people choose to alternatively achieve sexual gratification should be a matter for mature consenting adults to decide..... Though the very nature of society and state, will always incur moral judgement.... For example the "State" judges that paedophilia is immoral.....Solely based upon the rights of the individual, would you say that this is an unreasonable moral judgement?

Well, there are certainly a plethora of arguments and variations of the GOD principle.

Though I was referring directly to the biblical god and it's various derivations, nonetheless the necessity for non-causation applies to all models, as nothing,  and more so something from nothing is seemingly inconceivable.... I was therefore simply extrapolating from the basic premise of non-causation, the unnecessity of a tangible, myth based god. Because if one thing can exist without cause then everything can exist without cause.

That is not to say that  material development and the evolution of things thereof should not be referred to as a GOD principle. It is the  mythological god hypotheses that accompany human development that I take issue with..... Gods created in our own image....Naive solutions to an inconceivable beginning.

I will read up on him.

Not sure of your point.

A natural age related decline in fertility and libido is what it is, and is not particularly relative to socio-conceptual  diversifications of sexuality.

People living for more than 50 years is something of a recent evolutionary achievement anyway, and perhaps a separate issue.

Are you suggesting that perception is fallible?.....For example; what we see is not necessarily what we are looking at.

There is no known starting point.

You fantasise and create a fantastic starting point

And nature is nature and super nature is fantasy.

And what creates the creator?....It's the unavoidable question that theists always avoid....Or should I say ignore.

Simply saying that the creator does not need to be created is admitting ignorance.

Nonetheless, If something does not require creation then there is no need for a creator anyway.  Thereby, an infinite god negates itself.

You only need to quietly disagree at the ballot box to make a difference......Though I cannot vouch for the integrity of the U.S. electoral system.

And the nature of ordered society and government means that it is never truly free.

Though the best way to free yourself from such things is to ignore them.

Well, my above statement suggests that incapability is an uncommon condition or physiological aberration. 

Otherwise, instinctive programming renders all others interested and willing.....Though alternative modus operandi are now widely accepted as a social norm.  Outcomes in these instances, currently do not produce offspring......Laboratory farming should be regarded as a separate issue.

I would suggest that inalienable rights in terms of instinctive programming are unstrippable, whereas conceived and established behaviour is always subject to the vagaries of society.