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Muslims never say "1934" to me....Direct answer.....No dodge....And a Muslim might be female.

My appreciation of Art, Literature and Architecture is variable as they are not subjects that interest me greatly, so I can think of none that I personally consider to be "great".

As I stated, I appreciate skill and effort just as much as I appreciate the end product.....Yep a dodge if you like....But an honest answer, because I'm do not know what it is that I am supposedly dodging......You perhaps have favourite "greats" stored within your conditioned database.

A Muslim has never said 1934 to me....Muslims tend to chat about all the usual day to day stuff, the same as most people do.

Art appreciation is very specific to the viewer, though I appreciate skill in all art styles.

Literature is very specific to the reader, I prefer informative stuff and have a particular interest in  accounts of life in Europe and on the Eastern Front during WW11....Though, I would say that the key to good literature is readability. 

Architectural aesthetics are also very specific to the viewer.....Though architecture inevitably inherits it's basic principles of structure from techniques established way before Christianity.

And the World and therefore literature, art and architecture are far bigger than Christendom, and human history therein, predates Christianity by millennia.

I reiterate that you simply hold a biased and therefore inaccurate opinion relative to a conditioned mindset.

Not sure that a void sephre makes sense.

Sorry, but you did ask.

How many of theses mistakes are there?

Well there's skrewing and dstrust, so that makes three.

Sorry, but you did ask.

Where?

All religions, histories and architectural styles get a look in...It's the unavoidable nature of things......There is nothing special that singles out Christianity.....Other than the biased nature of your thought processes.

I'm referring to tales and associated claims.....Not architecture...LOL

Racism is media trendy and therefore lucrative.....And is presented as a white over black issue because this is what sells.

The real facts....  A. Would be boring... And B. Not what people currently want to hear. (Or so they are told).

And in Bristol England media junkies tore down a racist statue and replaced it with a racist statue, which the local authority quietly removed....No media generated fuss required. LOL.

Media junkies....Outsheeping the sheep.

A board is also a flattish piece of timber or composite material...And a thread is also a length of cotton or  synthetic fibre.....Language Timothy.

And interestingly, you often refer to me as being a materialist.....What do you mean exactly?

As we are all materialists to some degree....It's the nature of humanity.

Yep. Nutjobs everywhere, but fortunately the minority, and I do not live in England, though I am British if you wish to label.

And so in what capacity did you acquire your global experience?....Because there never seems to be much worldly wiseness or tolerance in your rhetoric.

Exactly.....You do not know......It's taken a long time for you to admit it.....But well done.

And the nature of  a mythological hypothesis is that it contains elements of reality/correctness.... So the Abrahamic tales and Christian claims are nothing special.

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Well, my post was somewhat tongue in cheek, and aimed at my old friend Mr Ethan.

Though I am in agreement with you regarding  the absurdity of popular religion as a serious creation hypothesis.

Quite frankly if there was a supreme being, it just wouldn't be as stupid as religious zealots portray it.

Your fear of outside your safe U.S.  Christian bubble is palpable.

There's a big scary world out there, full of all manner of variously labelled nutjobs.....Boo!

Though what you would find if you visited a few of these places, as I have, is that most people, are actually very friendly courteous people,  but as you should expect they just don't have a lot of time for people who don't have a lot of time for them.

And unfortunately nutjobs exist everywhere...Even in the U.S.....It just a fact of life and something to avoid .

Silence is Golden as someone made an awful din once telling us.

And as I've got older, I tend to prefer no music to music.

K-Michael....Fantastic!

I am an extreme moderate, which inevitably results in me having  left and right tendencies.

The term "scientific racism"...What does this mean exactly?....Just seems like yet another misinterpretation of the word science.....People are racist, everyone of them, even the ones who think that they are not.

Differentiating between Jew and Gentile is conditioned racism.....Because the human ability to perceive, store and remember data inevitably makes everyone racist,

The ongoing issue is with how racism manifests  in both, individuals and societies.

Bristol U.K.....They pulled down a racist statue and replaced it with a racist statue. D'oh!

Who's really pulling the strings?

In a literal sense, Genesis was Science.....Though somewhat naive by today's standards.

Just so that everyone knows....The theist message is often just as belligerent and O.C. as the atheist message....it's just that theists likes to think that their O.C.D. is more righteous....And vice versa of course.

And just for the record, I am merely a sceptic....Who accepts a GOD principle, but not all the piffle associated with the Jesus stories.....A liberal atheist if you like...Though not to be confused with a political liberal, as I am staunchly apolitical....A hard line moderate if you like......Labels, labels!

Though if Willows weren't so obvious, then they might get away with it.... Though perhaps that is a symptom of  O.C.D.....Or maybe just good fun....Sure as hell winds up conservatives though......LOL.

Derangement syndrome....I love that.....Though it was first noticed in Republicans I see no reason why it wouldn't of spread to all sectors of society.

Though I'm not convinced that it is anything more than a bit of tit for tat name calling......You remember how we used to behave in the playground 50 years ago.

LOL.

Well I would suggest that eternity can be eternally 0....No cause necessary....Though stuff that we are pretty certain of (matter) eternal and without cause is somewhat imponderable....That really does seem like blind faith, which is a poor basis for understanding.

Though if we concede to the notion of eternally 1 and also  take on board the eternity of an evolutionary process, then eternity negates the need for any cause, including GODS.

Eternity itself becomes the cause and a recurring material evolutionary process is the GOD principle.....Certainly no deity requiring worship required.

Typical religious fundamentalist false narrative.

Mr Ethan is a religious fundamentalist?!?!?

Though Greta did lack the necessary Hollywood glamour to be able to make old right wingers drool.

Intelligent designer....reasonable hypothesis. 

But who or what designed the intelligent designer?.....Reasonably unreasonable downside to the hypothesis.

All hypotheses start at 1 and conveniently avoid the issue of 0.

People are naturally conditioned to understand that they have different identities....There's no getting away from the fact, as difference is perceivable.

And that's notwithstanding all the political and religious bullshit we bombard our kids with....You don't even need to look as far as Catalonia and Quebec to check it out.

I believe you.

Your "piece of technology" does do what it does now....If it didn't, it wouldn't....So would you therefore be ungrateful?

Racism is a natural product of species differentiation.

In Black and White terms, Black is just as racist as White.

It's just that White bashing is currently the trendy option.

And Darwin just did what he thought was right at the time...And to make a song and dance about it now, is futile.

Well I'm  a year older than you, so presumably the same applies to you.....You will move away from nihilistic theism and sophistry and then weeeeeeee!! freedom or dementia.

Maybe dementia is freedom?

I will take being referred to as a sophist as a compliment, therefore I felt that I should return the compliment.

Well......I'm the ardent sceptic/atheist, but nonetheless, your assumption of willynillyness is just another arbitrary opinion that attempts to explain the unexplainable.

Though all hypotheses remain valid until such times as they are either proven to be correct or incorrect.

So I will add your hypothesis to the list.

Gods

Big Bang

Willynillyness

Terrified genius....Nope....You definitely made that one up.

And residing on a religious board...LOL....Your personal assumption that Debateart has a Christian pat on the back club.....Nope...As I keep trying to explain, just a global debating forum....Atheists to be expected....Whatever your personal definition of an atheist might be.

And remember, your opinions are not reality...Your opinion of Christianity, resides ONLY in your head.....Which is what I've been trying to tell you all along....Though, well done for finally admitting I was right.

Unless you can prove the existence of an actual higher authority, then there is no more that an internally governed mass operating within a presumably, external environment.

So unless you have perceived an externally existent GOD, then GODS are no more than internally generated concepts (beliefs).

It's funny how theists always try to accuse sceptics of being more presupposing.....Something of a playground argument in my opinion.

Sceptics are sceptical because the will not presuppose....Whereas all hypothetical deist arguments  are based purely on presupposition.

The Christian GOD and other similar GOD hypotheses are unbelievable.......But that's not politics....Sorry.

Slavery was and is less so now....And slavery was never exclusive....Though some disingenuous people like to suggest that slavery was an exclusive business relative to one particular moment and place in the past.

Why?....Because there is still profit to me made from it.......Racism is big business.

Nope...Your post  #58....It was you who introduced an assumed terror to the thread....A very disingenuous and unworthy twisting of words Mr Ethan.

And why would the reality of a GOD be terrifying anyway.....An actual GOD would be an actual GOD and to know this would be enlightening....But as no one actually knows, then terror and/or enlightenment are currently irrelevant.....I would suggest that believing but not actually knowing is perhaps more stressful than scepticism.

And as I explained previously, this isn't a religious board...A religious board is your flight of fancy Mr Non-Groupthink.....This is an online debating forum and does exactly what it says on the tin....So expect a certain amount of scepticism.

Only to be expected.

A rare flash of logic.

Liberal is as liberal does and you would probably be the first to complain if your liberal lifestyle was taken away.

Ideology is as ideology does and every one is corrupted with someone else's  ideology....It's the nature of the beast....And so my sense is your illogical nonsense, and vice versa.

You continually revel in the glory of the Christian and Conservative  Groupthinks....Yet you seem terrified by your commitments.

And you still haven't explained what it is, that you imagine is terrifying me......As a character contained within a naive, pseudo-hypothetical  mythology isn't going to stop me sleeping at night.

Faith or trust or hope or choice in something tangible within the context of a perceivable experience, is somewhat different to faith in one particular hypothetical deity.

What makes you think that I am terrified?...And what do you think that it is, that terrifies me?

Prove your particular GOD and I will be enlightened.

And what is your board?.....This is a global debating website  open to 7.6 billion people (approx), none of whom will agree with everything that ethang5 says....This is not a Christian pat on the back club.

And what is love, actually?....Other than a multifarious descriptive we apply to a wide variety of thoughts.

Maybe you think that Jesus and Mrs Ethan love you and that you love them....But other than within your head, your thoughts are meaningless.

Well. You make North Sentinel Island sound like a Zoo.

Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sentinelese, although living what we might regard as a very basic existence are wholly uninfluenced by technology.

I bet plastic waste washes up on North Sentinel Island too.

Well the reality is, that our only reality resides only between our ears....Which is also the only place where your "Majesty" exists....Think about it.

And you avoid group thinking, yet continually argue for the success of the Christian group and the conservative group.

And children are corrupted with ideology, whether that be your ideology or someone else's.....Conditioning....Just as you and I were corrupted with ideology.

And America is a nation of sub-groupings that expound varying ideologies....Though in comparison to other Nation States the U.S.A  and the U.K. are relatively liberal.

Christianity is undoubtedly a demonstrable faith...As demonstrated by faithful Christians.

It is the hypothetical basis of faith, that is not demonstrable.

Show me a society/culture that isn't influenced by technology in some way.

Well stated.

Culture is merely the modus-operandi of a particular society or sub-grouping, in both historical and ongoing terms. So as technology now plays a significant role in social function,  therefore technology is  now undoubtedly a part of human culture. 

The prime objective is seemingly the evolution of matter rather than just the development of human kind and human society...So whether or not the "prime directive is just" is perhaps out of human hands.

Best ask Spock.

A society is obviously controlled by the nature of a society....Nonetheless, in comparative terms The U.S.A. is an extremely liberal society...And you benefit thus.....And It would be wise not to forget this.

And I would suggest that you are fettered only by your own conditioned conservatism within your own personal bubble.

I was not conditioned as you were, therefore Christianity is not convincing....If Christianity could be proven to be an accurate hypothesis that would be an enlightening experience, rather than terrifying.

Perhaps underneath you're conditioned facade it is you who are  are terrified, because you are patently aware that the fundamental truth, is that belief is not actually proof.

And people convince people of Christianity....Christianity doesn't convince people of Christianity.

And "finding a god" is just sequencing data, as is the formulation of all concepts....

And once again I stress, that a GOD principle relative to a universal purpose is a valid proposition....Just not the naive mythological stuff of the bible...Nailing people to crosses and all that baloney.

But of course everything could just be pure chance.

Purpose or chance?....We haven't even worked that out yet....So all the human-centric embellishments are a tad irrelevant.

Thisssssssssssssssss......Could be used as an alternative to Yesssssssssssssssss at the point of climax.....Try it next time.

Time travel works on the assumption that time is a tangible medium that can be travelled through either backwards or forwards. 

I work on the assumption that time is simply the possibility that allows events to have duration.

Don't get me wrong....Despite all his shenanigans and gaffs, his ineffectiveness is perhaps something to be grateful for.....Let's hope that things continue that way.

Kanye West next time....Hey?

Exactly my point.

Anyone can be convinced of anything....  Education, conditioning, brainwashing.... call it what you will.....Still doesn't prove anything though.

People are convinced that strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing themselves up is a good idea.....Because they were "convinced" does that therefore make suicide bombing a righteous act?

"Convinced" really is a shallow basis for a religious belief.

Exactly.

I would suggest that despising liberals whilst simultaneously basking in the comfort of a liberal society is somewhat contradictory, if not hypocritical.