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@ethang5
Read it again.....Politicians answer.
Try this one:
Is it possible to believe in a god and not bother about all the associated ritual. Not going to Church and saying prayers and singing hymns for example.
And honestly, I never attend church weddings, funerals or baptisms. It would be a tad hypocritical.
Unfortunately I didn't have any say in my own baptism. An odd affair, seeing has how my Dad was a devout atheist and my Mum was a rather lapsed Christian.....Such was tradition 60 years ago I suppose.
And I didn't vote for Boris or anyone else for that matter (another story).
I just enjoy Boris's and the Orange Guy's personalities.
They're both very entertaining. As is politics generally.
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@ethang5
You missed the point completely.
The sequence that I briefly explained is the process of transmitting ideas through language.
I was questioning where the responsibility lies for how received data is interpreted.
Is it the responsibility of the sender or of the receiver.
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@Alec
A. The current World population is approximately 7.6 billion.
B. It would mean that we would not breed billions of animals, rather than save billions of animals lives.
C. The planet will save itself..... What you are worried about is saving yourself and humankind.
D. "If we can force a huge amount of pain etc"...…..What has this got to do with veganism and who is doing the forcing?
E. A healthy diet is only one aspect of healthy living. Veganism is not a panacea for the sustainability of both the individual and humanity.
F. Meat has a quite bland taste. We tend to add the flavour with mostly vegetable derived substances and a substantial amount of salt of course.
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@Vader
With the greatest of respect, the final 22 words of your last post were a tad ridiculous.
Perhaps you could explain in greater detail, the rationale that supports these comments.
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@ethang5
@Vader
And such beautiful non-sense.
The juxtaposition of sound and sense.
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@ethang5
Obsessive derangement.
Nice one.
It's so easy to wind you up....Just mention the Orange Guy.
I love the Orange Guy.
He's far more entertaining than Boring Obama or Haughty Hilary.
That's why I love Boris the Buffoon too.
So:
Why the need for religious ritual and eulogy?...You went off at a tangent again and avoided the question again.
And yep I agree. Church weddings, funerals and baptisms....pointless ritual and eulogy.....So why?
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@ethang5
In short:
Data is formulated and then projected as sound waves, the sound is detected by an aural sensor, converted back into data and is interpreted as the receiver chooses.
So who is being stupid. Is it the sender or the receiver?
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@ethang5
Whether or not you are a grand master at chess could easily be proven.
And you're confusing the phrase "fact of life" with the word fact.
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@ethang5
So why is there a need for religious ritual and eulogy?
Now, if you weren't quite so irritable you would be on "board" and make a pertinent case for these practices.
Rather than just giving a somewhat abstract and mildly abusive response.
"I know Americans etc".....Do you think that the Orange Guy is one of these?
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@RationalMadman
Exactly.
As I said the God and Satan principles are interchangeable, but nonetheless opposed.
I was referring to the principles and not to the hypothetical deities and their mythical tests.
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@ethang5
Have you ever looked up the definition of the word belief?
You will probably find that it defines a lot more than you think it does....You work it out.
Second....All deities are at best hypothetical and that's a fact of life.
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@OntologicalSpider
@FLRW
Wouldn't it be better to say that the universe might be a simulation, therefore a universal creator might exist. Though that still doesn't account for the creator or it's ability to create.
Occam...….The simplest solution is most likely the right one..... So magic then?
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@RationalMadman.
Venus is Lucifer and Lucifer is Jesus, makes sense as a mythological representation.
The God and Satan principles maybe interchangeable, but are nonetheless opposed.
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@ethang5
As I continue to stress and as you would be aware if you paid attention to what others say.
I am very open minded about the god thing.
Deism is a reasonable hypothesis, although deism could mean 101 different things.
Theism and more so it's associated ritualism is the more non-sensical aspect of religious behaviour that I question the need for.
That which Mopac is fond of and that which you have started to display in your recent eulogising.
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@Mopac
Not at all. Though I think that the phrase organic fluff, is more appropriate.Is it so strange to refer to oneself as a grain of dust?
The Earth is but a grain of dust within the context of the universe.
A grain of dust with a very tenuous coating of organic fluff and water.
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@ethang5
What is an actual deity as opposed to a hypothetical one?
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@ethang5
"They" was Mopac.
I wasn't certain of their gender.
All this recent departure of yours into religious eulogising is hard to take seriously, it all seems very tongue in cheek and over the top.
"King Jesus accepts my rags and counts me a grain of dust" etc.
Seriously?
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@ebuc
Cube.
Space and dimension is cube and time is.
Event and duration are regarded within the cube, because that is seemingly possibly.
What we would like to know, is why?
Any rational, logical common sense answers?
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@Greyparrot
Nice.
I can't argue with that.
If fat dumb and happy = contentment.... then so be it.
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@Justify
Perhaps it would be better value to spend your money on a good therapist and a cheap hooker.I would like to visit a luxury escort agency because I divorced my wife and want to get rid of bad thoughts.
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@ethang5
Good morning America. (Thought perhaps it not morning in America)
Your opinion is always interesting, that's why I enjoy interacting with you.
And my opinion obviously did mean something, because you were keen to reply.
And if my attention is caught, it is. Value doesn't really come into it.
And If I'm directly challenged or questioned I will always respond out of courtesy. (The real purpose of DART I would suggest).
And your religious fervour gets more and more Mopacian. Do you intend to take over their mantle once they finally retreat into a monastic existence?
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@Greyparrot
Obesity is the problem of greedy, lazy people.
Are you trying to say that U.S. citizens are forced to sit on their backsides all day and stuff their faces with pizzas, burgers and fizzy drinks.
Not that this as anything much to do with State provision of healthcare. Other than the issue of a healthcare system that might be overburdened with greedy, lazy obese people.
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@ethang5
Opinions are just that and to assume that one is always right is arrogant.
And modelling oneself on a fantasy character is more than a tad childish.
And a debating website serves a purpose, so to ignore is to somewhat miss the point.
Though it does seem quite obvious, that for ethang5 ignorance is not necessarily bliss.
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@ethang5
If you want my attention, you're going to have to earn it.
That's a tad arrogant and conceited.
Are you copying your hero Orange Donald.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Haha.
I never noticed.
It must be true.
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@ethang5
Can gods be scientifically proven to exist?
If not then there is no point in scientifically testing prayer in the way that you describe above.
Because if not, then all that you will be able ascertain is whether mind can beneficially effect body and thus increase the probability of positive outcomes.
Or of course negative outcomes. As effect would be expected to be relative to the nature of the input.
Prayers may be regarded as positive irrespective of the dubious nature of their origins.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Your ignorance of harmonic cube is demonic.
Could have been written by ebuc.
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@Salixes
What actually is a witch?
A witch is a human being, so nothing actually delusional about calling oneself a witch or being called a witch.
Though If a witch claims to possess magical powers, then that might be regarded as delusional.
Is it delusional to believe in extra terrestrial lifeforms and should such people with such beliefs also seek appropriate professional help?
Because as things stand, it's as much of an assumption to believe in E.T's as it is to believe in Gods.
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@Salixes
Approximately 60 million people die each year.
That's a fact of life.
As is belief in hypothetical deities.
As is connecting the two issues.
Deaths become less emotive the older a person becomes.
Another fact of human life.
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The popularity of "DART Forums" would suggest that they are neither dead nor tiring.
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@Salixes
Trouble is, definitions are often ambiguous.
Idiosyncratic:
More often applies to the individual rather than the collective.
Reality:
Is not just what we are actually able to know.
Mental acuity allows us to realistically make indeterminate assumptions.
Rational argument:
Must also include the hypothetical (indeterminate assumptions). The ongoing theism/atheism argument and counter-arguments are undoubtedly hypothesis based.
So a collective belief based upon an indeterminate assumption, that is to say a creation hypothesis, cannot be regarded as delusional.
Belief:
Belief (the acceptance of a faith and assumed truth) by definition does not require substantiation.
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@Mopac
That wouldn't be too bad would it. presumably you will be able to continue your faith in heaven?You would have to kill me.
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@Mopac
What you say doesn't conform to my rationale. That is to say, how I choose to interpret data.
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@3RU7AL
I think that all that this tells us is, that as things stand, homo-sapiens is pretty much the dominant species here on Earth.
The fable itself is too obviously fraught with unrealism and inaccuracies to be "good advice" or in fact advisory at any level.
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@coal
Thinking that you are a socialist and actually being a socialist are two completely different things.
Did you ever read Animal Farm by George Orwell?
A stinging satire of the unworkable utopia that is socialism.
Anarchy is chaos. So society demands order and therefore society requires hierarchy and hierarchy negates socialism.
All social structures are inevitably dictatorial to a certain degree and quite clearly experience tells us that attempts at national socialism have always rapidly descend into the harshest and most brutal extremes of dictatorialism.
For most people in westernised democracies, politics is just a peripheral side show. What is important is the ongoing liberal integrity of those that wish to govern and those that we allow to govern, irrespective of how they might brand themselves.
I thank my lucky stars that I have always been afforded the freedom to do and say within reason, just about all that I have ever wished to do and say. The limits of my achievements are only set by my own ability to achieve and not by any constraints imposed by the liberal society in which I live.
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@Salixes
How can you ban an abstract concept?
You could ban and eradicate all the physical manifestations of religion.
But a ban would not prevent the ongoing transference of religious data.
Anyway, religion is fun and good for stimulating discussion. As you well know.
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@Mopac
All that atheists need do is continue to point out that theists have never been able to prove the existence of a god.
And a continuous smokescreen of religious mumbo jumbo cannot hide this fact.
Ultimate reality is, but ultimate reality has never been proven to be a god.
Simple.
And the god worriers stumble in their foolishness.
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@Mopac
Is that really the limit of your intellectual reasoning?You are talking nonsense.
And they who has never ever attempted to substantiate any of their pseudo hypothetical dogma.
Such is Church I suppose.
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@Mopac
One generation thinks the next one is insane. Sounds pretty typical to me.
And viewing and judging the uncertainty of others from the safety of ones own certainty is easy.
And church is idolatry.
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@ethang5
Not in the slightest.Does it bother you Zed.
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@triangle.128k
I think that what you are also saying is, the Orthodox Church in the east is very backward thinking.
Hasn't it noticed that things have changed a tad since medieval times.
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@Alec
A very naïve and immature statement.
You must of had a very sheltered upbringing.
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@Salixes
Atheist, state education is the only sensible way forward.
In fact atheism is the only sensible way forwards.
Trouble is human beings deludedly think that they have exceeded the need for common sense.
Perhaps China will be the salvation of humanity.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Well yes.
4 possible blood types given todays understanding.
But Bro D's tongue in cheek observation is nonetheless pertinent.
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@ethang5
What you are actually discussing above is human nature in all it's varied forms.
And also how human nature has been forced to change due the pressures of evolved social constructs.
That is to say, that as a species we have long since not been allowed to function instinctively.
Enforced post natal conditioning is always in direct conflict with inherent physiology.
Therefore it is wholly reasonable to expect that aberrations will occur.
Boy Scouts and Boy Scouts leadership is just one of those things that modernised humans do to pass the time of day.
So perhaps given today's expected standards it's best that all such leadership roles should be given to proven heterosexual females.
Remove the temptation to aberrate from those most likely to do so.
That is to say, sexually repressed males.
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