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@ethang5
Though it was you that suggested that Jesus was into a bit of scourging.
And any psychologist will inform you of the subliminal implications of such an action.
Ergo, not as stupid as you might want to think.
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@ethang5
So Jesus wasn't just gay.
He was also Mr Whiplash and into sadomasochism.
I'll apologise for my infantilism now.
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@ludofl3x
No one is born a Christian.
Christian is a label that gets stamped on us, usually without our permission.
Fortunately I found it easy to erase that label.
Others are less fortunate and spend a lifetime worrying about it.
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@Singularity
Isn't delaying the effects of ageing just the same as lengthening the process of dying.
What you would be hoping to do I suppose, is to stay youthful for longer and the only way that I can see to achieve this whilst not incurring a similarly lengthy demise, would be to stop the ageing process altogether.
How do you think this might be achieved within your lifetime?
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@Lucy
Care to elaborate and extend the discussion.
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@Singularity
What in the World makes you think that it wouldn't.
Wishful thinking perhaps.
So how are you going to prevent aging?
The span of life that you refer to, goes from birth to death with an inevitable process in between.
As things stand, prolonging life only means extending the latter stages, rather than increasing the primary stages.
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@Alec
Isn't that just social reality.#6
Those that will lead and those that want to be led.
Those that are prepared to take responsibility for themselves and those that either will not or can not.
Those that achieve easily in a modern society and those that struggle to achieve.
I would suggest that root cause of social hierarchy is more to do with variable levels of natural ability rather than about the distribution of monetary wealth per se.
And after all, if financial disparity did not exist, then wouldn't the concept of money become somewhat irrelevant?
And do not attempts at pure socialism always fail?
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@ethang5
Check your dictionary occasionally.
Abiogenesis is speculation about an unknown process. Which is exactly what the conundrum concerning the inception of life is.
Also any ongoing process of development is evolution.
Evolution does not have specific connotations. Unless you choose to incorrectly imply specific connotations.
You redefine or perhaps manipulate definition to suit your purposes.
And scientific evidence is only human understanding as far as it goes and not always human certainty.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Physical activity inevitably carries a risk.
You could choke on a chicken bone.
Not doing anything is the alternative to doing something.
And not doing anything will inevitably get you in the end anyway.
Starvation, heart attack, brain injury.
You might as well enjoy yourself in the meantime.
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@Stephen
It's what's loosely known as Chinese whispers.
Or lost in translation.
Back in the day, they didn't have the benefit of electronic devices that could precisely record and translate data.
And anyway, mythology is composed for mythologies sake rather than as an accurate historical record of something.
One bear killing one child soon becomes 2 bears killing 42 children and let's throw a conversation with a Lord into the mix for conventions sake and also for dramatic effect.
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@ebuc
Yep, clueless.
If you are genuinely confident that the above is significant and meaningful.
Why not submit it to an authoritative scientific body for critical analysis, rather than to a generally clueless, internet debating forum.
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@Singularity
Indefinite life is no good unless the aging process is completely halted.
Just look at how decrepit and useless centenarians are.
As neither the understanding nor the ability are currently available, it is therefore unlikely to happen anytime soon.
All we can hope for are new therapies that can prolong the agony and decline into decrepitude for just a little longer, consequently increasing the burden on an already overstretched society and environment.
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@ethang5
Trouble is you are over complicating or in fact incorrectly defining the word abiogenesis.
Abiogenesis loosely refers to or assumes the possibility of a process from which life was able to evolve.
Abiogenesis does not specifically insinuate that a blob of inert matter suddenly burst into life.
Of course, the alternative to an abiogenic process is a magical process, whereby a blob of inert matter was suddenly made to burst into life.
No accounting for the magician though.
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@LordLuke
Internal data management is variable and obviously relative to variable data input.
Hence your data output is personal and perhaps relative to a community.
Consensus might dictate social policy, but consensus always has limits.
What you might refer to as perversion and fetishism or bad things, are simply data management variants which may or may not comply with how you and your associated communities might process data.
So, we can set national standards for data management and output and consequent actions, which becomes a real enough system within a specific social context, but nonetheless a human social system is not necessarily representative or is probably unlikely to be representative of either, a greater external reality or the programmed reality of all individuals.
In short, a "pervert" will behave in accordance with their own specific set of programmed data, whether that be inherent or acquired data.
I think that it is fair to suggest that the inherent drives are the same in all of us.
Though differences in output and action will be dependant on how individuals choose to interface inherent data and programmed data, which in turn will be wholly dependant upon an individuals conditioning.
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@Stephen
No Stephen.
No Bears,
No woods
No God (In the mythological sense).
Just far fetched tales.
No children were harmed in the writing of this tale.
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@ebuc
Back in the day they were referred to as precocious.
Now it's asperger's and we're supposed to feel empathy.
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@Stephen
Do you think Kim will pay his tax bill?
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A student of philosophy may be good at quoting the philosophy of others, but may not necessarily be any good a developing new philosophical ideas of their own.
I would suggest that less corrupted minds are perhaps more incisive.....Less jargon for jargons sake.
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You cannot avoid the us and them. But the U.S. always has been you and them.Interact with us. made us great.
And how much do you bother to try and interact with them? Except maybe when you wish to visit their casinos.
And that's my point. The diverse peoples of the Southern U.S. are no more or less immigrant descendants than you are.
Just because other people might look, sound and think slightly differently, doesn't make them any less a U.S. citizen. and certainly does not make you superior in any way.
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@EtrnlVw
No real questions.
Just concurring.
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@HistoryBuff
Unfortunately I doubt that Scottish Nationalism has much to do with current and future social aspirations.
Similarly neither does Irish or Welsh nationalism,
As is usually the case, nationalism is more often than not based on historical grudges, ergo backward thinking.
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@ethang5
Firstly, I think that you misread.
Secondly, I was merely questioning Dr F's oddly ambiguous yet pseudo-emphatic statement.
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@Dr.Franklin
Can you emphatically prove that all Christian Conservatives are not fascists?
Disgusted: The voice of common sense.
Banned by Christian Conservative Fascists no doubt.
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@Christen
I don't think that the separate bathroom thing will make much difference to the pervert thing.
Perverts always are as perverts always do.
Though isn't a pervert just someone with a slightly different outlook to yours and mine?
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@DynamicSquid
She's currently a popular product and she's well marketed.
Though, as ever opinions will always be divided.
So what's new?
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@bmdrocks21
Are you also proud of you multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and secular society?
In your eyes, do the people that inhabited the land now known as the U.S.A. prior to Northern European and other settlement and who obviously still do inhabit that said land make a valid cultural contribution to U.S. society?
And are you suggesting that you feel strong national solidarity with the ethnically diverse peoples of the Southern U.S. whom you regard as similar to you?
And are you also suggesting that you think that your fellow U.S. citizens of Central American origin that inhabit the Southern U.S. are more culturally similar to you, or more culturally similar to their Central American cousins?
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@bmdrocks21
So what makes you proud?
Yep it is thought that "Native Americans" might have descended from North East Asia. Nonetheless they still have a valid culture that predates yours.
As I said. I found peoples across the Southern U.S. to be ethnically and culturally diverse.
And everyone that I met and spoke to were all very pleasant and welcoming. As I'm sure you would have been too.
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@Imabench
@HistoryBuff
The Scottish Nationalists total vote count on Thursday was completely reflective of the 2014 referendum. So Sturgeon et al certainly have no mandate for another referendum.
Northern Ireland being the fractured region that it is, is a whole different kettle of fish and so to assume any implications regarding Nation Status from Thursdays vote would just be plain foolish.
And it is only Nationalists who attempt to factionalise societies. Fortunately in the U.K nationalists are still in the minority, especially in the region that you regard as England.
And as for Europe I would suggest that you first take a look at the Nationalist machinations that are occurring at the fringes of the European Union before coming to too many quick and inaccurate conclusions about European Unity.
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@RationalMadman.
But you nonetheless couldn't resist giving me your opinion.
The referendum on Scottish independence was just that.
Thursdays vote was a Parliamentary election.
Two very different things.
Nonetheless Scottish Nationalists only took a minority share of the vote, which was completely reflective of the 2014 referendum.
Anyway I pleased to see that you guys over there find our politics and politicians just as entertaining as we find yours.
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@bmdrocks21
Well I suppose it's quite obvious what sort of person you are.
And from your very roundabout way of getting your message across, it would seem that despite your purported convictions you are nonetheless a tad embarrassed to come right out with it.
If you're truly proud of what you are, just be honest and say it.
But that won't alter the fact that other than the original inhabitants of the land now known as the U.S.A. you are as much an immigrant descendant as every one else is.
And consequently, your specific bit of culture is only relevant to your specific little bubble.
I recently travelled the breadth of The Southern U.S.A. from California to Georgia and the ethnic mix of people that I came across was far more diverse than I was expecting and it would have to be said that in those regions people of Northern European descent did not make up the majority.
I would therefore suggest that you might find, not just the World but also the U.S.A. outside of your bubble to be quite a scary place to live.
One World, One People.
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And I did originally vote to Remain.
Simply based on the fact that I love cycling in Europe.
Shallow hey!
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@Trent0405
@ RationalMadman
Scotland recently voted to stay in the U.K. and 55% of Scot's did not vote for the S.N.P.
In politics it presumably is always the lesser of all the evils that gets elected.
And Johnson et al, were overwhelmingly deemed to be the far lesser of all the evils on offer.
And I think that you would find, especially if people were to be honest, that Boris Johnson is far from hated.
And for the record. I am British non-political and therefore a non participant in elections.
Johnson, Corbyn, Sturgeon et al. One cross on a piece of paper and then back to the same old, same old for the next 5 years.
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@disgusted
Yep you're right.
Based on ronjs intimate knowledge of everything.
Abortion would seem to have been the best option.
Straight to heaven, do not pass go.
Only thing is though, what does the foetal soul do when it gets to heaven?
Will it actually be aware that it is a foetal soul?
Or will it mature like cheese as EtrnlVw suggests.
Me personally, I like the idea of being composted.
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Yet another angst ridden, testosterone fuelled 26 year old with multiple agendas.
I used to be just the same all those years ago.
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@bmdrocks21
Yep the land known as the U.S.A. was formerly a foreign country to all who settled there, ergo immigrants.
Previously the land known as the U.S.A. was inhabited by culturally others. So in you eyes are these people now culturally irrelevant?
Now I shouldn't have to teach you American history, but there is an obvious 170 year gap between first colony and foundation of the U.S.A. So are the people who settled The land known as the U.S.A. between 1607 and 1776 culturally irrelevant also?
So when precisely did your bit of culture start in your particular bubble?
And are you also trying to say that all those who settled the U.S.A after 1776 were not immigrants?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Haha.
The pot calling the kettle black, as the expression goes.
I respond to forum posts and so do you irrespective of the fact that you have better things to think about.
See if you can resist responding again.
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The Church of England's assets are valued at approx. £8.5billion and investments nett approx. £500million per annum and yet it is still happy to take 50 million per annum in public donations.
Ok. So some fools and their money are easily parted.
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@Greyparrot
The British people realised that socialism although almost utopian in principle, is nonetheless an unworkable dream.
People and therefore society function in a particularly selfish way, that just isn't compatible with socialism.
It is how we have evolved and consequently how we have become conditioned as a species.
All attempts at true socialism either fail or are maintained only through the application of dictatorial force.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Short term memory loss.
How old are you?
Could be a worrying development.
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@bmdrocks21
Well if you can't be bothered to look it up.
The term Aryan actually refers to swarthy, dark haired people of Indo- Iranian descent.
Certainly not the German demi-god or his Slovenian queen.
And so, what is the "culture of your country".
Does it predate white settlers for instance?
Or is it representative of the immigrant based country that the U.S. is?.... Therefore multi-cultural.
What is the culture inside your bubble?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
An act or decision is what it is and does not necessarily imply mental instability.
What If all errors of judgement were regarded as mentally unstable?
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@bmdrocks21
As I asked you before.
Who's culture is "our culture".
I think that you are referring to the assumed culture within your bubble.
And I never mentioned Aryans. Just the bleached blond demi-god of German descent.
And furthermore, I would suggest that you look up the term "Aryan" and find out what it actually represents.
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@bmdrocks21
Insulated within your bubble with your crew.
But constantly ridden with angst and paranoia.
Fearful of others who might look and sound different, who might burst your bubble.
That age worn superiority complex.
Worry not.
For the bleached blond demi-god of German descent and his Slovenian Queen shall be your salvation.
Immigrants all.
Though all immigrants are equal.
Some immigrants are more equal than others.
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@bmdrocks21
Maybe not directly.
But nonetheless it was you who referred to unequal people.
I'm surprised that you fail to see the comparisons.
Perhaps being brought up and conditioned in a U.S. bubble has clouded your judgement somewhat.
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@ethang5
I think that there is a distinction to be made between non-existence and death.
Death is an instance and probably considered very little throughout a protracted dying process.
Whereas ongoing thoughts of non-existence and therefore non-participation, probably causes far more anxiety than the moment of death itself does.
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@Athias
The mind either functions or it does not.
Therefore the mind is either self-evident or not, as the case may be.
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@disgusted
Is it really worth worrying about?
Just ignore and do your own thing.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
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@Stephen
The Bible has been translated, rewritten and recompiled so many times.
Is it any wonder that it no longer makes any sense?
Not that any of it made a great deal of sense in the first place.
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