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@sadolite
@ADreamOfLiberty
@DavidAZZ
Perhaps.
As the human situation is seemingly so futile then.
We might just as well waste resources on A as waste them on B.
It will help fill in the time between now and oblivion.
Or pray and fight over imaginary creators.
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@Tradesecret
Such is theism Trade.
People made stuff up,
In response to something,
But as yet,
No one has a clue.
Though they make,
A flamboyant song and dance about it.
Such is non-sense.
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@sadolite
Well, there either is or there isn't life elsewhere in the Universe.
Which is reason enough to examine the possibility.
Spatial probability relative to physical laws is also indicative enough.
The lack of actual physical or definitive sensory evidence is not a reason to not examine a probability based possibility.
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@Tradesecret
Not anti-Jew, nor pro-Jew.
That's about the strength of it Trade.
A sensible person, rather than a non-sensible person, might suggest that it is best to be as tolerant as one can be under prevailing circumstances.
When people start adding various religious clubs into the mix, is when things have a tendency to get silly.
Sort of, I finally understand why a Middle Eastern religious club tried to trick a hypothetical creator.
Absolute non-sense Trade.
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@Best.Korea
Jesus was the son of a loose woman and an unknown philanderer.
The devil character in the red latex suit, with big horns and a trident, is a sexual fantasy of yours.
The Earth will end when the Sun gives up the ghost.
And if we haven't escaped before then we will dehydrate if nothing else.
Though I'm guessing that some form of human inspired intelligence will have made it.
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@Best.Korea
Some hormone or another I suspect.
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@Best.Korea
Like:
Smother them in oil and get extremely excited.
And Jesus said, I shall smother thee in oil John and will getteth extremely excited.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Hey Deb.
Have you heard the expression, two wrongs don't make a right.
Well, similarly.
Two morals don't make you moraller.
Just like.
Two Koala's don't make a Dingo.
G'day Bruce.
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@Dr.Franklin
You're correct as ever Doc.
Mrs Zed says stop projecting.
Begorrah!
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@Dr.Franklin
No riots in my neck of the woods.
Not sure what you hear in the U.S. But it's mostly intellectually retarded no hope white fools high on testosterone, looting Greggs for sausage rolls and gingerbread men.
And for sure they have an Asian type, equivalent.
They quietened down a bit once the courts started dishing out three year prison sentences.
Yep, it happens every now and then, when we have a bit of nice weather.
Top of the morning Doc.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Feel the butt on the in stroke.
It's how GOD intended.
What could be more moral than that Deb?
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@Stephen
To quote Kylie.
I should be so lucky.
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@Stephen
Yep.
Mrs Zed is on one of her regular weekend visits to see her Mum in Pershore, so I tend to spend a bit more time on the laptop.
His name is Bod, and he likes to make sure that the neighbours cats don't get me.
Nice day tomorrow, have a good one.
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@Tradesecret
It's all effing nonsense Trade.
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@Dr.Franklin
No one is winning Doc.
Conflicts come to an end.
And then people carry on with stuff.
Putin will die shortly, and then there will be another old Russian man with erectile dysfunction to compensate for.
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@Sidewalker
Or just sell 35 ready to go nukes for a trillion a piece.
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@Best.Korea
It's a coping strategy that takes the focus away from our own inadequacies, Mr tiny dick.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Yep that's right Mr. Moral
Partially morally sighted.
I could have sworn that she looked older than 15 your honour.
But I didn't have my spectacles in my shoulder bag.
Only my test-tickles in my ball bag.
For the next 12 hours.
Just call me Roger Frombehind.
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@triangle.128k
As everyone else is in debt, does that mean that everyone else is going to collapse?
The reality is that there are about 8 billion people on this planet who couldn't give a monkey's about national debt.
The only people who care are the one's who play the game.
A click of a few buttons and it all could be erased.
So can you answer this question:
Who owes what to whom?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
It's only illegal if you get caught.
With your trousers down.
In the Sheep pen.
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@Greyparrot
As I've stated before.
National debt is a geopolitical farce.
Worldwide, there are only two tiny States that reputedly have no National debt.
That leaves about 190 or so, that are in debt.
So Planet Earth is in debt to what?
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@Double_R
True.
Within the context of material development, language and communication has proved to be a valuable asset.
Though the the term "immoral blight", certainly doesn't bring a whole lot to the evolutionary party.
In terms of data assessment, process dictates that everything is resultant of a subjective process.
Especially an abstract concept such as morality.
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@Best.Korea
Within the current social state of play, doing reasonably well in education and securing a decent job is perhaps the best way to live a comfortable life.
You've got to be somewhere doing something.
You would soon get bored with idling about, consuming a diet of eggs and raspberries.
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@WyIted
Nah.
Below average idiots with nothing better to do.
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@Moozer325
Agnostic atheist.
Or perhaps just a rational thinker.
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@Best.Korea
Some people make the best of it.
Some people make a hell of a mess of it.
Hell or heaven is inside us.
Everything is inside us.
Some people just don't realise.
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@Mall
That's about the strength of it.
But, which version are you actually referring to?
The old tales have been translated transcribed and reinterpreted many times.
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@Mall
Hmmmmm.
How the genes developed is of little relevance.
What we know, is that humans were/are the instruments of ongoing material development, AKA evolution.
Though as I always state:
The idea that Planet Earth was initially seeded by a superior Universal intelligence, is a reasonable proposition.
So:
Tomato tomotto.
Are simply, two symbolic arrangements.
One is representative and the other isn't.
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@Stephen
@Owen_T
Good fun Stephen.
Well done Owen_T.
Something to get ones teeth into as an appetizer to Sunday Lunch.
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@Mall
It wasn't written yesterday afternoon Mall.
And it was written by pious men who sought to control the lives of others.
Other people write other books relevant to their interests, which may well be based upon the freedom to enjoy sexual relationships, when they want, and with who they want.
And I do not need to believe, what is patently obvious.
Why would a GOD write a mythical tome, concerning the lives and fortunes of people from one specific region of Planet Earth.
I don't remember him giving the Inuit People of the Arctic or Australian Aborigines much of a mention.
Strange when one considers Mr Omni's supposed knowledge.
Nope, the bible was obviously written by blokes with limited knowledge.
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@Mall
The desire to live for as long as possible is actually based in our genes.
Immortality and foreverness are derivatives of language development
And religion is also a later derivative of human social development.
From about 60 to 75 years and onwards we are in a state of rapid physiological decline.
So in practical terms immortality can only be usefully achieved if we can genetically engineer and stop the aging process much earlier. Which certainly isn't beyond the realms of possibility
Intellectual immortality is perhaps also a possibility, whereby ones consciousness will be downloaded to an alternative data storage device. Thereby opening up a whole Universe of humanoid opportunity.
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@Owen_T
The bible was made up by men.
And Catholicism is just another religious club, with it's own set of ideas and rituals.
Which isn't to say that such religious clubs and their associated wealth and power, were not greatly responsible for social and intellectual development over the past 2000 years or so.
Which isn't to say that some of their customary ideas and rituals are not a tad daft.
And then there was Father Ted to be thankful for.
Obviously one can never say with 100% certainty, but I suspect that Godo's mountain top visitations were somewhat fabricated.
And that Moses and similar shamanic types were typically off their heads on some plant based hallucinogen or another, attempting to reach a higher plain.
And gullible nitwits could easily be persuaded to believe anything...They still can actually...Such as the virgin Mary, and her subsequent ethereal visitations.
Which isn't to say that such visitations, do not present the catholic church with potentially huge business opportunities.
Pilgrims and their money are easily parted, as the saying goes.
Or is it fools.
You choose Owen.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@TheUnderdog
@420-1776
Pussy arse mouth tissue.
Same outcome.
Then roll over and go to sleep.
Abortion is simply, another medical or surgical solution to a problematic health issue.
Unless one is a selectively moral conservative/religious nutjob.
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@Swagnarok
Yep.
Is a human organism with a vagina, always physiologically a female?
Or can a human organism with a vagina physiologically be a male?
I'm assuming that this is the issue surrounding Imane Khelif.
It would certainly appear that all aspects of this persons physical presentation (in boxing shorts and vest) is more masculine than feminine.
Same with the Taiwanese person.
Definitive criteria should have been established prior to the controversy.
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@Shila
Can a metaphor be more damaging than if it were a fact? Both views are extreme.
Not exactly sure what you mean Shila.
Though, if facts were known, then representative tales wouldn't be necessary.
But such metaphorical tales become established as guiding principles for some.
Which, if all guiding principles were the same wouldn't really be damaging.
But as we know, society isn't like that.
So perhaps it would be better to know the facts rather than promote a minefield of misinformation tales.
Nonetheless, I still tend to run with the idea that all aspects of the bigger evolutionary picture including factional religious hypotheses, are all an inevitable and therefore necessary part of the process.
But at the same time, I'm also happy with the idea that everything lacks any greater meaning outside of it's own universal context.
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@Savant
Does she think that Philosophy actually achieves anything other than itself.
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@Stephen
Nice weather too.
Hope it's the same in Bromsgrove.
Regards.
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@FLRW
It also made us immune to conspiracy theories.
Well, you and I that is.
Trump still believes that the election was rigged.
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@Shila
You do realise that the fruit thing was a metaphor?
Made up by a bloke, who was told not to play with his willy, or anyone else's for that matter.
And not to keep dressing up in his sister's fig leaves.
Don't know who told him this, but who ever it was, was a hypocrite.
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@Best.Korea
Organic blobs with an inbuilt itch that needs scratching.
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@420-1776
So, you are a vegan hermit who absorbs nutrients from the atmosphere.
Obviously decrying any form of national self defence or capital punishment.
Otherwise the numbers add up to 119.
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@FLRW
@Best.Korea
All a part of a necessary process perhaps.
Or perhaps not.
Though.
If there is no no necessary process,
Then nothing is necessary anyway.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
No one knows.
But.
The prevailing scientific hypothesis is what it is.
Scifi speculation.
I think that FLRW was just saying.
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@Savant
@420-1776
All systems of government are essentially the same, but some are more brutal than others.
Though within any system under achievers will always underachieve.
And others will succeed, either by force or by intellectual application.
Interestingly, Marx was the biggest bourgeoise hypocrite of the lot.
And here you are, highlighting the supposed injustices of the current system.
How woke is that?
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@Sidewalker
A nutter with access to lethal firearms, who believes that "Deep State" is out to get them.
Wherein lies the "real truth".
Hmmmmmmmm.
One could quite freely, stay at home and do a bit of this and that and perhaps enjoy a meal with friends.
Nah.
What do you expect in a nut job society that dispenses bullets from vending machines?
Nutters are eventually going to shoot someone.
And nutters will inevitably get shot.
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@Best.Korea
Perhaps it's an essential part of everything.
Or perhaps it just doesn't matter.
Perhaps it's an inessential part of everything.
In which case, it still wouldn't matter.
Though we vaccinate against indiscriminate infections.
So without foresight, who is fittest?
A. An athlete who will die as a result of contracting a viral infection.
Or
B. An obese person with Type 2 diabetes, who won't contract a viral infection and die as a result..
B. By virtue of luck, will be the fittest and potentially add to the gene pool?
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@DavidAZZ
I use the term executioner(s) broadly to represent a society that deems what is essentially a ritual killing, as morally justifiable. (Ritual killing, as in a social justice ritual).
Then there is killing in self defence, which is deemed to be a moral necessity.
Killing animals for food.
Terminating the growth of a bundle of cellular tissue.
All morally acceptable, or not, as the case maybe.
Such is the fickle nature of the human imagination.
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