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Hypothetically going around in circles, passes the time of day.

Or should I say, going around in hypothetical circles.

Or if there is no end and no beginning, then does it matter in which order the words occur?

Hypothetical circles going around in hypothetical circles going around in circles hypothetically going around hypothetically in circles...And so on.

Infinite question fallacy for sure.

If it can be programmed then it is just a programmable data manipulating device.

Not much different to  giving kids a book and saying read that.

Are we not adapting.

Isn't taking measures to reverse global trends, adapting.

Doing nothing would be not adapting.

Ultimately the question is, will Planet earth's ecosystem survive.

Finance and living standards are human frippery in comparison.

Perhaps the best solution, would be a large scale and rapid reduction in human activity.

Debateart.com. Deals loosely with operational considerations.

You would be better off posting this in the philosophy forum.

Interesting idea though.

In what sense are you using the term addiction?

Purely physical or physiological?

Nope .

I was questioning you in response to your post, rather than suggesting methods of population control.

I was asking why would A.I. bother to improve human intellect.

In terms of intellectual dominance it would be far better for A.I. to selectively breed and programme a worker species rather than an intellectual species.

In that context I can't see the need for eight billion humans wasting resources.

Abortion and vaccination is human twaddle.

Humanity...It's what we have been doing.

Though I was referring specifically to the perpetual battle between Christian and Muslim ideology.

"Terrorism" is no more or less the same as war....US led war on terror kills as many if not more civilians as Islamic terror does.

I'm not sure that in terms of "morality", dressing up war in some sort of global legal framework makes a whole lot of difference when the bomb hits.

Then why do "we" perpetuate the immoral ideological battle.

And by we, I mean everyone.

Well, presumably because we attribute our respective ideologies with having some sort of greater moral integrity.

Arguments have two sides.

And there is no greater moral authority to judge which side is righteous.

So we rely upon disparate assumptions of righteousness and apply actions relative to disparate ideological values, irrespective of "intrinsic" human moral awareness.

Which to me suggests that "morality in of itself" is no more than an ongoing and variable assumption relative to circumstance.

And intrinsic awareness is no more than an acquired and modifiable data programme, rather than an instinctive species programme. 

Instinctively, survival is everything, and survival is dependant primarily upon the self.

Association has it's benefits, though respect for associates diminishes the wider the circle of association becomes.

And the individual selfishly learns to utilise association for the benefit of the self and it's survival.

So I would suggest that idea of morality is no more than an acquired means to survival.

As I stated.....Joe is OK.

The too old, was relative to the sleepy Joe thing.

How incisive he might be at 80 years of age, might be discussion point.

How incisive he might be at 85 might be another issue.

Might to might be ratio declining rapidly.

Donald not too far behind.

Though I'm not sure how steep his intellectual incline ever was.

Along with a lot of the red hatted backwood brigade.

They play a mean banjo though.

Nice.

Hypothetical problems,

For hypothetical GODS.

Not a problem.

How will A.I. ensure  attention.

Though, what is the point in educating kids when you've got A.I.

So what is the point of most people.

Who or what needs 8 billion of them.

It was satirical.

Relative to current social trends.

Which may or may not be reflective of a physiological evolution of the species, greater than the value of the old politics.

Let me stop you there.

One of two biased points of view, wherein both fight for freedom from the others ideology.

We've been committing suicide and causing mass destruction and casualties on the basis of religious nonsense for the past 1500 years or so.

And I've no idea who started it.

If the purpose of the exercise is to achieve a lasting World peace, then we should already know that the methodology is hopelessly flawed.

Hollow words.

Which do not reflect the ongoing reality of the human condition.

I would suggest that moral obligation without legal obligation is pie in the sky.

That is to say, to ensure order within our National sub-groups, we have to enforce our own version of morality.

Whereas to ensure security within the wider community we have to be prepared to implement a modified version of morality.

I would suggest that a lot of people still wear religious badges.

And that most people adhere to their National legal precepts, whereby to a greater extent National social order is maintained.

Though I would also  go as far as to say, that the notion of intrinsic human value doesn't exceed much beyond the value of the self and the family.

The weaker our bond to the wider community, the weaker our moral  consideration towards unrelated people.

So My dog died and I was grief stricken.

So the nice old Lady from down the road died........Did she......What's for dinner?

So Mr Prigozhin was killed in a plane crash.....So what.

Well.

I will finish by saying that systems work, but could perhaps work differently.

I suppose it all depends upon what if any the purpose of the human system is.

Perhaps the individual and the quality of it's existence, are irrelevant factors of a greater scheme.

Or not as the case may be.

The new space race....Or should I say, new struggle to get to the Moon.

Another small step for mankind or inter tribal futility?

Two crashes in one week for the Ruskies.

India a go go.

China?

USA?

Who knows what we could achieve if we all worked together?

Call me a dreamer Mr Spock.

Facts?

Who actually knows the difference between fact and propaganda?

Prigozhin. Did he fall or was he pushed?

As for the knee jerk reaction that led to The U.S. et al invading Afghanistan.

History repeating itself, doomed to failure.

Indiscriminate civilian deaths, no more or less terrorism dressed up as counter terrorism.

In my book.

As for sleepy Joe.

The guy is OK.

But too old.

Media and conservative propaganda will inevitably find value in the sleepier bits.

Facts in my book.

@ The inactive RatMan.

Societies that label as Islamic are generally conservative, and some are more conservative than others.

The USA in comparison is generally liberal, though some Americans are less liberal than others.

Though, religion is the nonsense that it is.

And oppressive misogynistic bullies are what they are.

I would suggest that conflating these two principles, is unavoidable, but actually a tad inappropriate.

And with the greatest of respect to a lot of my colleagues  who label as Muslim.

Not all  Muslim men are misogynistic bullies.

I would further suggest, that most phobic's are so, because that is what they are taught to be.

Sometimes in the name of religion.

And sometimes not.

Religions are fantasy hypotheses.

And some people teach intolerance, because they were taught intolerance.

Just two examples of human intelligence based stupidity.

Plenty more available.

Get the fuck out of Afghanistan.....Wise move....The bad move was going there.

Fires  in Hawaii.....Mr Biden was probably in Washington DC, so hose wouldn't reach. Mr Biden should have had a longer hose....Naughty Mr President.

Sleepy Old Joe dozes off....Sleepy Old Joe needs a power nap.

And the hero is a transsexual riding a pink unicorn and will be the salvation of mankind.

Here Here.

I remember Meadowlark Lemon.

I used to think that the Globetrotters were cool.

One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. 

So I'm not sure that semantics is an indicator of morality.

Neither am I sure that one sided legitimisation of military action is an indicator of morality.

In us and them scenarios morality is assumed by each side, and therefore quite clearly demonstrates that as a species we have no shared moral constant.

Hey, we're just about there.

Nice discussion.

Hey Doc.

You would think that a ball kicking game would be called football.

And a sock wearing game would be called soccer.

And then there is that strange version of Rugby that Americans play, whilst wearing crazy outfits.

And then there are baseball outfits.

And then there are women's beach volleyball outfits.

I know which I prefer.

What is your favourite sports outfit Doc?

Nope.

I see from your version that John the cutie is the real cute one.

Yep.

J is asking, who the fuck threw all the bread rolls onto the table.

And Tom/Stephen is certainly saying, fuck you girly, in a Scottish accent.

Is that John the cutie with their hand on my shoulder?

Nice quote.

Which is the most moral?

Killing a Muslim terrorist.

Or not killing a Muslim terrorist.

And what would the Muslim terrorists moral viewpoint be?

And who is actually the immoral terrorist?

Yep, we agree then.

No such thing as true socialism.

 Tyranny dressed up as socialism.

Or some form of social democracy

And why would that be?

For the simple 5th grade reasons I have given.

And Monarchy is/was just another variation on a theme of hierarchical society.

Though I would suggest that most modern States headed by a ceremonial monarch, these days fall into the general category of social democracy.

Of course.

Jesus was from the Middle East and the Last supper was painted by a European some 1400 years later.

Just saying Deb.....Might not be an exact match.

Me....These days I'm like the bald bloke on the left....The one doing the happy hands.

What about you Stephen....One of the Brothers with the curly ginger hair perhaps.

@Tarik.

The difference is hypothetical.

Peter.

Sometimes referred to as Peter the Gay Fisherman.

Just looking at some old Apostle paintings.

John the beloved was certainly cute.

Heaven hey. 

Who needs women at a gay orgy.

No one tells the absolute truth.

And you-tube is certainly an opportunity for fantasists.

As I stated.

Social structure is always essentially the same.

History lessons just inform us of past events that occurred within a typically arranged hierarchical social system.

My general point is, that people will always fall into line whatever the system.

And I was quite clearly referring to the concept of socialism.

Social democracy is a general term  that compounds the words social and democracy.

And for sure, history shows us that attempts at socialism have a tendency to become oppressive and restrictive, whereas social democracies have a tendency to be the opposite.

Though I might add, that social democracies are often plagued with corruption, which might also lead to oppressive and restrictive practices.

Power corrupts as the saying goes.

Hey.

Who needs songs,

When you've got all the guns.

Just keep your head down Mr Parrot,

Because, remember, remember, remember,

Everyone's got a gun.

And

After the war you will all be happy,

Because no one will have died in vain,

And everyone will be friends.

Because life will be perfect, perfect, perfect,

With no resentments.

Da dee dah dee dah dar.

Diddly dum tee tum tee tum.

Undoubtedly.

Though John Candy's father died at 35.

Which suggests that despite everything, genetics already had John earmarked for an early demise.

76 and still going strong.

You inherited well.

My families genetics seem OK.

So I'm  reasonably confident that I'm good for a few more years.

Here's hoping that Mr Putin et al don't get too trigger happy.

And that I always pay attention when crossing the road.

But the truth might not be what you want to hear.

You have a corporation obsession.

And nope, I don't yearn for the past.

Yearning for the past is a futile exercise.

Essentially society is the same today as it always was,

Leaders followed by those that toe the line, and those that criticise.

Socialist or capitalist, social structure will always be structured thus.

And history should tell you that so called attempts at socialism, never tolerated critics.

Who knows what the people of North Korea want.

Food is probably second place priority for most.

Coming a close second to a mass extermination of Kim's.

With nuclear weapons and war at the bottom of their lists.

The reputable source will be the one we want to hear.

Credibility

Who needs credibility?

Steve Martin is 78.

Thanks for that.

John Candy didn't make it past 43.

Yep. 

A socialist society, with a nanny government and a social elite.

Exactly what we have now.

Just a different name.

Nice discussing with you.

Shareholders suing.

Sort of, biting the hand that feeds.

But Lawyers must think that there is value in it.

Who needs Cornflakes anyway.

Here Here.

Poland and Hungary are currently less safe than they were.

Not due to Muslims.

Muslims are people who believe in nonsense.

Rather like a lot of Americans.

In the U.K. most 50's and 60's  Muslims and their families are pretty Westernised.

It's the new imports that are the current social problem...Thanks chiefly to the U.S. inspired "War on Terror". and "Arab Spring".....Yep they sure worked a treat.

Yep.

I've read most of Bill Bryson's books, including "A Walk in the Woods".

Haven't seen the film though....Must try and catch that.

The building blocks to ones future status are education and diligence.

No good complaining once one has made a hash of things, and then trying to blame those who made a success of their lives.

Just like the slave reference, it's hopeless extending arguments backwards.

And an inherently incapable person given capital, will most likely squander it rather than make shrewd investments for the future.

Nanny State only works if there are people to do the nannying.

Though I would add, that if populations stay high then a lot of people are going to find it tough in this new technological era.

Perhaps the only way for the unemployable working classes to make a living, will be as cannon fodder for the National elites.

Interesting times ahead.

Me thinks that someone a stupid as Mr King was probably in prison for good reason.

Slaves was a few hundred years ago.

You're clearly a person that likes to live in the past.

Yep. All governments are essentially the same.

People take control and people follow.

Methodology is variable though.

LOL. Capitalism doesn't  stymie opportunity, capitalism welcomes opportunists.

It's the inherent capabilities of the individual that dictates their place within a capitalist system.

Society is never equal because it's members are not intellectually or mentally or physically equal.

Hence any social system will order itself accordingly.

Which is the reason why billionaires are billionaires and the ordinary guy does nothing but moan.

It is impossible to enforce social equality.

Big cities not for me.

My local town is just 2 miles away the other side of the Hafren River and has all the necessary amenities....It's also where I work part time.

I have 2 daughters, both doing well, who live about 90 miles away in England and I often cycle over to see them.

I also walk regularly with my little dog and my wife joins us occasionally, though her passion is gardening.

I cycled across the USA a few years back, from Oceanside California to Jekyll Island  Georgia. Did the traditional thing and took a bottle of water from the Pacific and emptied it into the Atlantic.....Incredibly hot everyday day and the only rain we had was the day we cycled into Phoenix....Was an exhausting trip and left me a bit run down, so much so that I didn't get on a bike for about a month afterwards.....I loved the U.S.A. though, people were charming and the only place we ever felt nervous was in a town  called Crockett, in Texas if I remember correctly.....Gun shots in the night and knocks on the motel door in the middle of the night....A few of the slightly less charming locals I suppose, but you get those everywhere, even here in Wales....Unarmed though.

Yep, the Trump thing seems a bit bizarre to say the least. It's just amazing that the guy is still allowed to run  for President after the last debacle and all the ongoing scandal, and even more incredulous that so many people still hero worship him....Such are U.S. extremes I suppose and such is the circus that is  the Presidential election process and it's inherent corruptibility.

You might do well to add.

4. Maintain good health and fitness.

Success no good if one is a fat twat with diabetes, hypertension and a heart problem.