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Forgiveness requires data processing.

As does repentance.

As far as we know, there is only one organism with an intellect capable of such abstract concepts.

Luke was just a copyist of uncertain origin.

Original sin is a silly concept.

In so much has it perpetuates an unnecessary mindset relative to the nature of the human body and it's normal functions.

Snakes and apples and fig leaves for goodness sake!

Always pleasant to chat with you.

Have a nice day.

Psychological aberrations do occur and may respond to therapy.

And perhaps blokes in long frocks waving beads, and flicking water around might help some people.

Though demons are a metaphor for psychological aberrations.

Rather than psychological aberrations being a metaphor for your actually demon.

A better approach to such issues, is perhaps medical therapy and a moderated approach to counselling.

It's perhaps best if the Church sticks to what it knows best.

Selling fairy tales to children and grown up children.

And leave the medical and psychological therapy to those grounded in the realism of mental health problems.

For sure, some people will regret their actions, and perhaps sincerely apologise,

But of course, some people won't.

Though apologies are easy and not necessarily meaningful.

And the acceptance of an apology could also be sincere or meaningless.

And respect for the collective decision is not always forthcoming.

Within the context of religion, I personally think that sin and repentance is a load of bunkum.

Which harps back to the time when the Adam and Eve story was first told.

And was clearly the first religiously inspired analogy for sexual hang ups.

Salvation is also an anagram of itself.

So is assumption.

Isn't that weird.

And GOD is an anagram of both  DOG and itself.

And DEB is an anagram of both BED and itself.

Isn't that wired.

Like you suggested.

Dimension is just an abbreviation for did I mention.

Did I mention time is an appreciation of now and then, or then and now.

Did I mention space is where.

Did I mention did I mention did I mention is perhaps Deb.

Did I mention did I mention isn't really possible.

How about if I wear my pyjamas back to front.

I think that in gay relationships, one participant wears their PJ's the right way round, and the other wears them back to front.

Not that this random information has any significance relative to our sleepover.

I'm not sure what lesbians wear in bed did I mention.

But unless they're both fit, I'm not really that interested.

I suspect that big butch ones wear PJ's.

Do you think that they wear their strap-on under their PJ's.

Though they've probably got a selection in the bedside drawer, and perhaps choose colour and style and did I mentions relative to the requirements of the recipient.

I'll wear some loose track bottoms just in case you're slightly unnerved by anything that I've said.

But not so loose that they might fall down at any moment.

What's Ebuc bringing to the party?

Mrs Zed is ready to take me to the Airport.

Sydney, Perth or other?

See you tomorrow evening.

I can accept fat people.

In fact I don't give a toss about fat people.

Fat was their choice.

And I'm a firm advocate of their freedom to choose.

Bud Light is a weak pissy pointless excuse for beery type stuff.

With or without semen.

Bud Light with semen, would be a cock tail.

Salvation is an assumption relative to an assumption relative to an assumption.

And pretty wild assumptions at that.

Let's start with GODDO, the eternally existent magician.

For sure, we  can come to a fairly conclusive decision about the ethicality of certain behaviour.

Though repentance is not always so forthcoming.

Because repentance relies upon the individual rather than the collective.

So the collective invented punishment.

But I think the as this thread is posted in the Religion forum, the instigator had an obvious religious angle in mind.

You old commie Doc.

Drones are the in thing at the mo.

The Bible doesn't talk.

People talk.

And say all sorts of daft stuff.

And NDE's are exactly that........Delirium

And not DE's..........Wherein recollection is impossible.

Sin and repentance are just made up stuff.

As far as we actually know, there is nothing to actually care.

Because the idea of something greater that actually cares, is made up too.

As far as we actually know, it is only human beings that make up stuff.

And then they say, it was a GOD what did it..... It must have been mustn't it.

Well, not necessarily.

Because you don't no how strange the stranger might be.

I live as a person Kaitlyn.

What does live as a white person actually mean?

And you made dramatic remarks about smashing to bits and racial tribality.

So I just pointed out the obvious contradiction.

EbuccubE is OK.

But perhaps if I join the sleepover you will feel safer.

Will we have a midnight feast?

Should I bring pyjamas?

Deprived of what Kaitlyn.

Ley's be honest, over the last 30years or so we have witnessed the USA, it's military and it's allies, cavorting around and  "smashing to bits" the lives of  "tribal" peoples of Asia and North Africa....But I suppose that's OK with you.

Justified in the name of democracy and freedom.

And certainly nothing to do with Oil and Israel.

Gotta keep those gas guzzlers running at any cost.

We are well thanks Stephen.

Hope you are too.

Hi Stephen.

I don't think that Jesus and his Middle Eastern acolytes were keen on non-believers either.

In fact, I don't think that devoutists of any Abrahamically derived fantasy hypothesis are particularly sympathetic to alternative religious programming.

Such is the fallibility of the human brain.

On the plus side, I think that there are still a lot of reasonably sensible people about.

Best just to steer clear of the nutters, and definitely don't discuss religion in public.....Well, choose your spot and your audience, if you do.

This is a question I've asked countless times.

If everyone is in debt, but there is still plenty to borrow.

Someone must be creating money from nothing.

Of course, money is now  binary data whereas it used to be written down in big books.

And a pocket full of magic tokens.

Can you imagine the chaos if some clever person created a global  virus and eliminated all traces of money.

It would have been much harder to gather up all the big books and burn then.

Nice.

Congrats Deb.

My, NOTTAKELIFETOOSERIOUSLY mate.

He comes from a Land Down Under.

Where beer does flow and men chunder.

2500 today.

What is a good Christian?

And therefore, what is a bad Christian?

Don't you just mean human beings with a religious label?

And then you arbitrarily give them a second label.

And state execution is a moral contradiction.

Not that I pander greatly to the concept of morality. 

But I am aware that certain moralists make the best contradictors.

That's the thing Tiger.

We are all ignorant.

Though a lot of people are easily brainwashed into arrogantly repeating archaic and naive theory.

And bowing in repetitive subservience, in fear of the consequences of not doing otherwise.

Such is the nature of the human onboard computer.

Such is Man's innate, hormonal  brutality.

Cogito ergo sum.

Porn and associated industries are big business with a ready market.

And immorality is in the head of the beholder.

So capitalism or moral tyranny?

Once again though, all to do with intellectually acquired hang ups relative to reproductive physiology and the variations and modifications thereof.

Breeding is now only a secondary consideration to recreational sexuality.

As we got cleverer, so we got sillier.

When all one actually needs to do is masturbate 365 times a year.

Or 366 times in a leap year.

Good for the prostate then.

And much simpler that chopping your dick off and calling yourself Daisy.

And much less wear and tear on the anus.

And cheap too.

I suppose that "stupid shit" is just a reflection of most people's real interest in politics.

No.

But I've got balls.

OK.

I will take a look at Artur young when I get a moment.

It's not my land Kait,

It's Planet Earth,

A speck of cosmic dust,

Encrusted with fluff,

Light reflecting tones,

In splendid isolation,

Somewhere,

Strange,

But true.

Where to go Kaitlyn?

Other than here.

A tiny speck of Cosmic Fluff she,

Eyes closed to the past,

Hiding from the future,

In splendid isolation,

In mortal fear,

Of being here.

And all to soon,

We will be, 

You and me,

Absorbed and forgotten,

As will the ever changing,

Ever colourful,

Intellectual dimension.

Praying to brick walls

In the uncertain knowledge

Of it's cosmic identity.

Perpetuated overthink becomes an accepted norm over time.

 

Religions are an obvious example.

And trans-genderism will probably become the same.

So I'm not sure that overthink can rightly be regarded as a mental illness per se.

I would suggest that mental stress/illness is a side effect of overthink.

We are a species prone to obsession, because intellect and material development afford us the opportunities to become obsessive.

On the one hand, fiddling with and mutilating young boys dicks is paedophilia.

And on the other, it's completely acceptable behaviour.

What it is to be human hey?

Theory is theory.....So any theory.

CAFKOE.....Fully explained in post#17.

GUTOE.... Yep,  GUTOE is a another simple acronym and means exactly what it says.

A collective theory of theories, that falls short of CAFKOE

The clue is in the word theory. GUTOE

As it is, both GUTOE and CAFKOE are just inert statements that do not attempt to explain anything.

So you theorise, and you present your thoughts regularly on DebateArt. 

And there is no escaping from the fact that a great deal of what you present is symbolism coupled with you own unique narratives.

Honesty is not disrespect.

And who else on DebateArt, genuinely makes the effort to communicate with you.

Respect is a two way thing.

You are joking aren't you?

I suppose that one of the benefits of being a Roman Catholic Man of God, is the no marriage rule. 

So neither of the above apply.

And you didn't mention Altar Boys.

And if the Old Boy refused to be coerced into a situation he wasn't happy with, then good for him.

I have never met anyone who is white.

I suppose that an albino would be the closest.

But I've never met an albino.

Even so,  supremacy is relative to circumstance and not skin tone per se.

Deeply tied.

Is this the Erotica Forum.

Naughty Naughty subliminal sexual messaging TWS.

You're as bad as all the rest.

Yep, there sure is a lot of it about.

Where to start?

As we're in the religious forum.

How about religious pseudo-hypotheses.

Once upon a time there was this uncreated magic guy who created everything...............

And then 14 billion years later.

Human genetics exist, diverse genetics is the basis of species diversity.

We know that.

Skin tone and anatomical variations are a reality relative to genetics and species development.

We know that.

Europeans Africans Americans, Asians are people who reside/resided  within certain continental land areas.

Though migration from the epicentre of humanity has resulted in a diversely populated planet.

A planet where all humans are related, but vary as dictated by genetic variability relative to human migration and tribal segregation over a period of some 300000 years.

All that you are doing is showing yourself up to be a bit of a White Supremacist/Isolationist.

And if the basis of your defence relies upon ignoring the reality of the human condition, then you will inevitably dismiss the truth as vague word salad.

Come to the UK and you will find that we have very little room in which to isolate communities.

Which is not to say that communities do not still segregate relative to inherited conditioning and genetic variation.

Nonetheless the UK as a Nation is wholly multi-cultural and integrating steadily.

A reality that I  have become accustomed to and not afraid of.

Sub-races are a concept relative to human social development.

But even within that context "white" is not a sub-race.

White is an assumption relative to a perceivable difference........Skin tone and certain facial features at the lighter end of the colour range.

Europeanism is broad spectrum of sub-races exhibiting a broad range of facial features, and formerly Britishness was no more than a development of Europeanism as was Americanism. Though ongoing migration and development  has further changed what it is to be British or American....For ever.

So, human social development has not ceased, neither here nor in the USA. Nor did it not occur prior to the establishment of Europeanism.

In fact human social development migrated outwards from the singular establishment of the Human Race, and from there on in, we anatomically and physiologically sub-divided.

Your white Americanism really is just a very recent cherry picked bit of human history relative to social development, human migration and human distribution.

And also your inbuilt concerns relative to your formative conditioning.

If we teach our kids that they are different and special, that is what they will grow up believing.

And of course the same principle applies to all human sub-groups who teach the same misleading stuff to their kids. Which as we are patently aware, leads to all sorts of problems in terms of how we do or don't interact within our local communities and the wider global community. 

And for sure, along the way we can attribute specific aspects of material development to specific sub-groups, which will obviously also relate to a certain temporary slowing down of genetic diversification

But hey it's now, and genetic diversification and the human race is still on the rampage. And Planet Earth is only so big.

Exactly.

Morality is a concept relative only to the conceiver.

And as far as we are able to know thus far, the human is the only organism that conceives the notion of morality relative to it's behaviour.

And the lazy cat is only lazy because we create a state of laziness for it.

Though the lazy cat will always instinctively kill the slow bird.....Morality not a consideration.

To further theory it is essential that all is considered and nothing is dismissed.

As it is, you are as theoretical as me and any other theorist.

And CAFKOE was just another theoretical acronym, representing the Complete And Final Knowledge Of Everything relative to material development.

Which is a simple string of words and quite easy to understand; basically meaning exactly what it says.

Now it has to be said that Ebuc-speak is quite symbolic and unique and not so easy to understand, but I do try.

I work on the principle of ignore or react.

And further on the principles that ignorance is bliss and reaction is often unnecessary overthink.

OK, so it's fair to say that ignorance is a form of reaction.

So to establish the right mindset and be truly ignorant, requires practice.

After all it's just another conditioned response, the same as being offended.

My wife doesn't get that I can just switch off bad stuff.  Whereas she has the tendency to mull things over.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. This is what I was taught as a kid.

Given the nature of scriptural development over time, it's unlikely that any modern Abrahamic book in any language will be an accurate reinterpretation of an original narrative.

Nope, I didn't say judging something based upon an outcome. I said judging  policies on possible outcomes. Irrespective of whether a policy might or might not effectively be utilitarian.

Though an hypothesis can certainly be pre-judged by applying principles.

What I was  trying to suggest, was that retroactively judging a proposal is only possible if one knows the outcome. Whereby the proposal has long since to ceased be a proposal, and therefore cannot be judged as such.

One says what one says, and "shouldn't have" is irrelevant.

You can always say something else.

One cannot judge a policy retroactively if it is a proposal.

This is a truism.

Whereas one will/might judge a policy with consideration to possible outcomes.

I would suggest that you are just stating the obvious.

I personally have no race other than the human race.

And I suppose that I have what might be described as pride in modern British multi-culturalism.

I'm also fully aware of how modern Britishness was arrived at.

And also fully aware that the USA was arrived at in exactly the same way.

And so why do you continue to refer to your whiteness when you know that it doesn't actually represent whiteness.

Especially when there is a wide spectrum of skin tone relative your European Heredity.

An heredity that was thousands of years in the making, rather than the few hundred years of the USA.

I would suggest that you pride in your whiteness is just a temporary psychological prop in response to the oppressive reality of change.

Fortunately the USA is big enough to still afford you the isolationism that your fearfulness craves.

And of course you've also got all those lovely guns....But so has Blackie.

You yourself stated that:    

A. Naught is created and naught is destroyed, only transformed.

Now, I can happily run with that principle, within the context of apparently existent and ongoing matter.

I was simply asking whether a process of transformation/material development has a purpose and necessary outcome  relative to intellectual input.

I was further suggesting that perhaps CAFKOE was vital to an ongoing sequence/process of transformation/material development.

If not then from an intellectual perspective, wherein lies any real intellectual purpose. 

NB. From an intellectual perspective it is also not possible to ignore the something from nothing principle.

Which despite principle A, is a basic an recurring intellectual  consideration of uncaused matter.

 In terms of process.

People do not insult.

People choose to be insulted.

In this instance it's just another facet of the who's religion and book is the best, competition.

That said, it's logical to suggest, that what came later is only an interpretation of what went before.

Not that I personally give much credence to any outdated creation/deistic/social ideology hypotheses.

Hey, but the influence of generational data transfer relative to demographics is what it is.

So, peace be upon everyone...Now wouldn't that be nice....If only there were one real GOD that insisted on peace.

Rather than a plethora of Men's versions of GOD, whereby men do all the insisting.

And occasionally women might get a look in too, if men will allow it.

Such is the influence of testosterone.