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This is not about muslims being inferior or wrong or lesser so anyone thinking of erasing this or banning this subject is being unreasonable. I am stating that their culture or belief system is irreconcilable with the goals of a debate site.
We have all noticed that Muslims will never vote against a position they disagree with in a debate. This alone is enough. We should be voting for who we thinks had the better argument not looking for ways to twist RFDs into fitting our preferred winners argument.
What follows is an analysis of their internal mindset so you can see why the group should be banned by default although making exceptions for some outliers may be fine.
Muslim is an Identity not a belief system
In most Islamic cultures, Islam isn't just a worldview — it's your tribe, your bloodline, your honor system.
So to vote against a Muslim argument, even if it’s weaker, feels like betrayal, not intellectual integrity.
- Christians → “I disagree, but truth is truth.”
- Atheists → “He beat me. Respect.”
- Muslims → “This isn’t just debate. This is the Ummah.”
They see it like voting against their nation or family, not just their theology.
Collective responsibility stops them from being intellectually honest
In Islamic thought (especially more traditional interpretations), there's this sense of communal accountability before God.
If a Muslim publicly sides with a non-Muslim in a theological debate, it’s seen as:
- Strengthening kufr (disbelief)
- Undermining dawah (Islamic outreach)
- Weakening the perception of Islamic strength
Islam is basically a hive mind according to sociologists so a single token muslim on the site might be enough
Sociologists describe Islam (and Orthodox Judaism, to a lesser extent) as “tight cultures” — high emphasis on loyalty, conformity, and moral unity.
Christianity and modern atheism are “loose cultures” — more open to internal disagreement and pluralism.
So a Christian can say “Well he made better points, even if I disagree” and still sleep at night.
But a Muslim might feel that’s a public breach of group loyalty.
Muslims on the site are jihading us right now, not looking for actual debate
In Islam, arguing for the faith is literally a form of jihad — “striving in the way of Allah.”
So losing isn’t just personal — it feels like you’re losing for all Muslims.
Voting against that? To many, that’s like saying God’s side lost. And no one wants to be that guy.
TL;DR:
Muslims often won’t vote against Muslim positions in debate because:
- Their religion is fused with identity and honor
- They live in a tight moral culture where group loyalty > individual judgment
- Debate is not just argument — it’s spiritual warfare
- Publicly conceding is seen as giving ammunition to disbelievers
- Because of this inability to remain honest, unbiased and in general ethical people, all Muslims should be banned from the site
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JFC! I am watching this video, listening to it, and the evil plans that began with the Rockefellers to present day with W.H.O., the U.N. and UNESCO is just madness!!!!!
"In March, UNAIDS and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), two agencies within the United Nations, along with the International Committee of Jurists (ICJ) published a group of "new legal principles" that would advance "decriminalization efforts" globally, and principal 16 stated "sexual conduct involving persons below the domestically prescribed minimum age of consent to sex may be consensual."
"“With respect to the enforcement of criminal law, any prescribed minimum age of consent to sex must be applied in a non-discriminatory manner. Enforcement may not be linked to the sex/gender of participants or age of consent to marriage,” the United Nations says.""
There is more, but the underlining goal is a movement, one of many plans, to reduce the world's population by 90%. Targeting children with all this hyper-sexualization from birth to pre-teen years in order to have a full grab hold on controlling the population. Screwing up kids psychologically through the gender and transgender ideology indoctrination and pushing the decriminalization of pedophilia and a push to sexualize kids in practice is insanity!
Going beyond this brainwashing and destroying the minds of tomorrow's adults via today's children, the W.H.O. is gearing up their end game goal to control literally everything: you, food, water, plants, pets, animals...it's called ONE HEALTH.
All of this evil doctrine begins with the Fabian Socialists. Huxley's bools BRAVE NEW WORLD was the plan that laid the foundation for all this corruption. Ever hear of Rockefeller's "operation lockstep"?
Looking back over the past 5 decades, it is clear this evil plan has been in motion long before us...as such things takes time, it cannot be done overnight. Each operation has been achieved in lock step for sure. I knew for sure that once gay marriage was granted, the transgender clowns would come out of the woodworks like cockroaches. Sure as shit they did. When that happened, I knew pedophilia would be next. It's on the verge of being pushed as acceptable. This shit the woman talks about in the cited video is coming to fruition, has been proven to be true with the historical events she mentioned, and it will only get worse before it gets better.
Thoughts?
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I keep seeing defenses of him so weak they seem designed to insult the Muslim community. So I am curious, any actual Muslims here have any good defenses of him?
This is referencing his pedophila. The trollish defenses are things like the Todd Akin defense (it's not rape because he got her pregnant), and various No True Scotsman (no true pedo waits until they're nine, etc).
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Alternatively, if there are no good defenses of him, how do you reconcile that with your faith?
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Ever since SCOTUS found some BS excuse to legislate from the bench to allow same sex marriage, I knew, everyone with intelligence knew, that acceptance for transgenders, drag, pedophilia and polygamy would follow suit.
To date all have been accepted. Either by forced social inclusion (e.g., threats of violence, public humiliation, doxing, etc.) or by law (BS cases of legislating from the bench).
Add to that, so-called institutions of higher learning or not teaching anything higher than self-entitlement to be spoiled brats with carte blanche to be anything but law abiding in order to force their ideological agenda. That is, the agenda most popular at the moment.
The world is going to shit in a hand basket, and the so-called progressive left is adding all the fuel to the flame of destruction as they possibly can without even knowing it. They are like the frog put in cold water and boiled to death. They do not know that they are but beggars of their own demise, and the cause of others demise as well.
Humanity is lost.
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It's true most of Washington is pedophiles. Q believers knew it the whole time, and Alex Jones was mocked for saying it prior to the metoo. Movement.
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