Instigator / Pro
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1417
rating
158
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32.59%
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Topic
#2541

On Balance Voting Should be Compulsory in US

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
3
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
1

After 2 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

seldiora
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
10
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

The punishment for not voting is merely a small fine. Voters may submit a ballot with "null vote" to make it clear they are unwilling to vote any of the candidates.

Round 1
Pro
#1
It is well known that Democracy is all about representation and the people, however, the idea is that the "majority of people voting power" simply doesn't work in current ideals. In no presidential election have we even managed to get half the people to vote. As such, even "landslide victories" are dubious as the majority of people simply didn't vote. This contradicts the very idea of democracy, if half the people sit there doing nothing. It becomes unclear if they merely cannot make a decision, do not care, don't know about voting rights, or some other reason. 

It is evident that compulsory voting laws can and will increase voting turnout.  "Self governance", being a core of American culture, encourages people to exercise the right, with the encouragement of law. And political campaigns may now reflect the general population, instead of merely trying to appeal to those willing to exert the effort to vote. A lot of voters tend to abstain due to lack of interest as mentioned, but the idea that people now have to choose between "null vote" and some candidate encourages the people running to actually try to note substantial impact, close to the people's hearts. 

Many say that people cannot be forced to vote against their will. However, many rights are crucial and can be imposed upon for good reason. For example, Singer VS US, Supreme Court had said "“[t]he ability to waive a constitutional right doesnot ordinarily carry with it the right to insist upon the opposite of thatright". Similar to levying taxes and calling men to draft, both of which have people contributing to a common cause. There must be some amount of people satisfactorily voting in order to carry out the ideals of democracy. To meet this demand, the imposing of "vote or be penalized" is necessary and had backing.

  This also does not violate first amendment, because now it is known who is truly "silent" rather than too lazy to speak. By turning in the abstain/blank ballot, we can turn to the real issues and challenge the presidents, seeing if they are truly significantly introducing policies that relate to the people. A good comparison is to the jury system, which must cast a vote, but exceptions can and will be made.  For example, conscientious objector exemption from jury duty would be asimilar exception for compulsory voting"

The congress has the power to pass such a law into place. By encouraging more people to vote, we can get the presidents or congressman that the people truly desire. And in special circumstances when those are struggling to decide, they do not have to make a choice. So all the problems are solved. I await con's argument.
Con
#2
Have another go
Round 2
Pro
#3
As we get more people to vote, the representation of the people is stronger. This is one of the core ideals of democracy. All arguments extended.
Con
#4
Why has Pro had to make the 'abstain' option available? Is it worth it?

Elections cost massively, even in smaller nations.
In 2016, the US elections cost an estimated $6.5bn. BBC Reality Check breaks down who paid for it and looks at how much 2020 might cost.
2020* (projected)
$10,838,227,655

2018
$5,725,183,133

2016*
$6,511,181,587

This cost will undeniably go up in a compulsory voting scenario. There's far more votes to count (using the 'low turnout' point against Pro). You are essentially forcing people who were content not voting and wasting vote-counters' time to vote. Administration costs aside, the dynamics of campaigning will now revolve around subtley encouraging people to simply resent you less than your opponent rather than like you and root against your opponent.

The problem here is that some people who would have truly abstained from voting are not going to 'throw away' their vote nor are they going to vote accurately. They are going to vote for whichever Party grabbed their attention more, rather than the one they truly agree with. Why would they do this? People don't tend to like to throw away opportunities they have been forced to take.

This leads me onto my next section.

Fear as a motivator is toxic to Elections.

While Switzerland is an example of mandatory voting, they don't have abstention as a non-finable option and they don't regard it as disinterest:


So, I firstly want to disqualify it as a valid example of forcing people to vote in the context of this debate, where abstention is a valid option in the ballot paper that frees one from the fine that would be applied for refusing to vote.

Some people have jobs situations and/or mental health reasons to not feel free and/or fit to vote in an election. Some people don't want to deal with the anxiety and now you've forced them to 'fear their way into the voting booth'.

They will make their decision based on a psychology of being forced to be there, not one of wanting to, which will lead them to vote candidates who have either got authoritarian or libertarian ethos, not allowing middleground sensible ones. Why? Because a scared mindset isn't suitable to vote effectively in an election for people who hate pressure.
Round 3
Pro
#5
As we move to more advanced electric machines, blank or empty votes will be easier to count, refuting most of Con's arguments. It's really not that hard. And even if they were in fear, that wouldn't mean they would feel forced to vote for a party. Study has shown that slightly inaccurate votes are far more likely to remove the compulsory voting rather than administration or freedom problems.
Con
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
Pro
#7
Extend, vote for pro.
Con
#8
I find that nothing Pro said rebuked what I said and that I have successfully poked all holes in Pro's case that are open.