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Any topic, I pick the side. Written rap battle debate. Not troll/unmoderated.

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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Pick the topic, I pick the side, then we spit bars so hot Antarctica would evaporate.

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@TheUnderdog

Rap is among my favorite genres in music--though, I dislike the majority of modern mainstream rap--and as a kid, my best friends and I used to write our own lyrics to our favorite beats. (I've also written my fair share of poems.) It suffices to say that many of those friends continued along this path as a career, and they even have songs on iTunes, soundcloud, and Spotify. And while I pursued a less glamorous career, my propensity towards lyricism has remained.

RationalMadMan would have to inform you on his origin story.

How do people come up with rhymes like this?

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@Athias

Actually idk if I will, I think this was a low vote count and most didn't understand how to vote on it. I think you like jagged flow raps with rigid rhyme scheme whereas I like a complex 'liquid' flow.

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@RationalMadman

Obviously my rhymes couldn't melt a snow cone. Enjoy your victory. Let's do this again. It was fun.

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@RationalMadman

No problem. You both did an excellent job, to reiterate. I can't think of a better rap battle as of recent.

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@Username

Thanks for the vote

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@Username

both, latter takes priority

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@RationalMadman

Do I vote based on who did the superior rapping in the battle or who established the better case for the state being good/bad? I believe it's the former, but I am just checking.

I will try to vote during my free time tomorrow. Just remind me if I don't.

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@RationalMadman
@Athias

This is great!

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@Athias

Cheers

I'm bumping up this debate before it falls deep within the annals of subjects forgotten, because I spit "hawt fyer!"

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@RationalMadman

Likewise.

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@Athias

Good luck

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@RationalMadman

My mistake. I see the "not" also applied to the un-moderated part.

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@Athias

I proposed the exact opposite.

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@Pilot

You're going to have to play it by ear. I suppose one could still follow the guidelines just to avoid the meddling of the moderators (note: RationalMadMan did propose that this Rap Battle be un-moderated.) Use your discretion.

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@Athias

I'm not saying either one of you have better flow than the other, or your arguments either. They are both very entertaining reads. I'm just wondering how much consideration is put on style, and how much is put on the argument when it comes time to vote?

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@Pilot

Let me guess: you agree with RationalMadMan's arguments, but you think that I have the better flow? I don't really know the procedure when it concerns voting on rap battles. I assume it would be somewhat different from a regular debate in that "Rap Battles" I presume focus more on one's rap skills (otherwise what's the point?) But at the end of the day, voters vote however they like. So, vote however you like, sir.

What happens if you agree with someone's arguments, but you think the other one has better flow?

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@Intelligence_06

""Oh yeah because no government is yet doing a perfect job thus the concept of government itself is bad!"

Wait till you hear that Anarchism can't even reach the glory of government-based society. In fact, anarchism will either die out or there will be a leader, which turns into a government."

Are you trying to engage me in a discussion over a lyric, or is the part you quoted merely your impression of my position?

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@Athias

"Oh yeah because no government is yet doing a perfect job thus the concept of government itself is bad!"

Wait till you hear that Anarchism can't even reach the glory of government-based society. In fact, anarchism will either die out or there will be a leader, which turns into a government.

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@RationalMadman

The difference between the tribe and NWA is the former is a journalistic approach to the trials and tribulations, as well as the ideals of inner city gang culture, and they obviously showcased the decadence involved with much of those themes. The tribe were more abstract and could cover any topic with ease, but they rejected the decadence found in NWA stuff. The tribe were definitely more uplifting, but not in a cheesy manner that tries to sell black culture to white America by making them seem overtly squeaky clean (like Stevie Wonder, or Boys 2 Men).

I'd say, NWA was more influential for me because of the more diverse range of artists they sampled which introduced me to an alternative genre of music that I was raised on (I was pounded into the ground with led-zep and the eagles, and they tend to wear thin quickly). Because of NWA (and more so Cube), I have a profound love of Prince, Parliament Funkadelic, The Isley Brothers, and all of the great R&B and funk that goes along with those groups. I can't say the tribe had that same impact on me.

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@Pilot

No point in me dissing WTC so I agree. However, offer me Tribe called Quest and NWA or WTC for a concert or listening session and I'd take the former two, without hesitation. Tribe vs NWA is difficult, depends the vobe you're going for, both equally skilled and successful imo.

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@RationalMadman

I would never argue that any hip hop production was better than anything that Ice Cube was involved in, especially since I am also an artist and he was one of my three favorite inspirations. But as far as the wu, their production was purposely made to counter the very airbrushed and smooth sound from the west coast at the time. They were instrumental in ushering in the Lo-Fi sound that dominates modern indie dance/rock/hip-hop. I agree that most of their rap was about how good they can rap, so their lyrics leave much to be desired, but the cult like mystique they garnered helps replace much of what is lost from their lack luster lyrics. They also had some pretty great flow ta boot.

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@Pilot

For me NWA are/were better than WTC

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@Pilot

They're overrated imo. Not bad, just good as opposed to great. Their lyrics rarely make me go wow and their production is mediocre and flow is smooth at times, but very jagged and broken at others.

Would have loved it if you were both arguing who the best member of the wu-tang clan was.

"Only fool'd altogether"

Only a fool'd altogether remove*

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@Athias

Yeah go full Vinnie Paz anarchist if you want.

https://youtu.be/w_Q-DUj9OHw

I just avoided it in case you did.

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@RationalMadman

May I use curse words, and obscenities? Or will that be held against me?

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@oromagi

Swahili. Using this language you will teach less people about quantum mechanics and in turn it is less useful.

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@RationalMadman

If there are any more rules and stipulations to be hashed out, perhaps it'd be more "economical" to discuss them here as opposed to a debate round. Otherwise, I'm ready when you are.

which in no way precludes raps in swahili

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@oromagi

this is an English speaking website

WIll you rap in Swahili?

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@oromagi

Swahili

TOPIC: which language is less useful for teaching quantum mechanics- Mandarin or Swahili?