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Topic
#4430
While transpeople deserve equal rights and dignity, transwomen are not women.
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 1 vote and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...
timjohnston
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- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 2
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 10,000
- Voting period
- One week
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
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Description
I'm open to discussing all the issues around trans rights and contrasting and comparing them to rights expressed by other groups.
Round 1
I just came here to learn and for a conversation, but I'll give this format a shot. I propose that even as society needs to protect the rights and dignity of all people to be who they are, it must also be recognized that biology creates boundaries that cannot be overcome even by genuine internal feels about who someone feels or knows herself to be. Despite this, a transwoman can certainly live her life as a woman with female pronouns and dress and deserves to find love or relationship and live free from bigotry. Still, it would not be bigoted for a cisman to reject her because she is not a ciswoman in the same way it would not be bigoted for a gay cisman to feel unattracted to a ciswoman. It should not be offensive to state that gender, by definition, is binary.
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Round 2
Yeaaahh... so I'm not going to continue arguing with myself when no one's there.
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Sorry, I'm new here so maybe I haven't wrapped my head around the framework. We can drop the "dignity" part and leave it to "rights" if you like. I'm just looking for a civil discussion and I hope to better understand those who feel transwomen and women are the same as has been expressed often in certain media.
Alright. The dignity definition isn't quite what I was looking for, but, based on your definitions I might need to nitpick.
Okay, for the sake of argument, a woman is someone who is born biologically as a woman and by "dignity" I mean the dignity that all people deserve regardless of their sexuality. Is that enough?
Actually, you can make something out of this. I could argue this without needing to go into high detail especially since its only ten thousand characters.
I'll do this if you verify one thing, what is the definition of "dignity" and "woman"?
That's part of ,my confusion with this topic. At the least women are those who are born biologically as women, but I'm not sure if that's a controversial statement for some.
Kind of defeats the point when the definition itself is the debate. Probably best to phrase it as "which definition is better?" or something along those lines.
I advise adding a definition for women into this debate.