Can God make something he cant lift?

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05.09.2020 05:55PM

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@Stephen

NOPE!! This is what I wrote. : >>>>>> So; simply tell me what the Ancient Hebrew means for "all things" and why- if at all - the Ancient Hebrew meaning is different from the Christian bible meaning. #22 last line.

I already explained it. The meaning would be different because of the lack of words to convey the same meaning in english, and Political motives about translating something a certain way.

That will be your fellow Christians who have trouble with it.

I'M not a christian LOL

BUT IT STILL REQUIRES ONE TO BE DEAD doesn't it! Inother words all of those words you spouted ALL mean the same thing. SEE #22

Yes they would all require somebody to be dead genius, but that doesn't mean it has the same meaning. Being cremated would also require you to be dead, it doesn't make it a synonym for the word dead.

How retarded can you get to think that just because two different words can require the same state of being that they mean the same thing.

That will be your fellow Christians who have trouble with it.

Why would Ingive a shit about what other Christian's think?

The bible was written by men. I have no problem accepting it could be wrong or corrupted or even mostly bullshit.

What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later and he was seen by thousands of people after his death, proving his supernatural ability and godhood.

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05.09.2020 06:10PM

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@Singularity

That will be your fellow Christians who have trouble with it.
I'M not a christian LOL

Good for you. But I meant "your" as in "that's your fellow Christian for you". As already said, take your own advice and " " work on your reading comprehension skills. "

The bible was written by men. I have no problem accepting it could be wrong or corrupted or even mostly bullshit.

JESUS!!!! you are sharp.

What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later

Not so sharp after all. How disappointing.

and he was seen by thousands of people after his death,

"The bible was written by men"

proving his supernatural ability and godhood.

Proving nothing at all only that ""The bible was written by men" . Just because someone wrote something doesn't make it at all true...... in any written ancient language.

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X

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05.09.2020 06:12PM

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@Stephen

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X

Did you hear the Pope speak that or was it from something written by men?

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05.09.2020 06:14PM

If you want to debate me on Jesus's resurrection I'd be happy to, but you would lose. You don't really have well thought out opinions on things

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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/377-the-problem-with-the-risen-jesus

05.09.2020 06:32PM

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@Singularity

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X

Did you hear the Pope speak that or was it from something written by men?

Oh come on. If you can have it that a three day old stinking rotten corpse can come to life again, I can accept that this Pope may have said something, and then someone wrote it down. Do you see the comparison there Singularity? A dead man coming to life and something allegedly said and wrote down. You couldn't get a rolling paper between the obvious difference could you, eh.

If you want to debate me on Jesus's resurrection I'd be happy to, but you would lose. You don't really have well thought out opinions on things

Behave yourself.

I have covered this a few times now. If you feel like resurrecting one of my old threads be my guest. here ya go:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/583-jesus-wasn-t-dead-when-they-took-him-down-from-the-cross

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3252-to-touch-the-risen-christ

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236-the-empty-tomb-enigma

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/518-jesus-was-terrified-of-what-was-to-come

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1555-who-raised-them

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05.09.2020 06:44PM

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@Stephen

Oh come on. If you can have it that a three day old stinking rotten corpse can come to life again, I can accept that this Pope may have said something, and then someone wrote it down. Do you see the comparison there Singularity? A dead man coming to life and something allegedly said and wrote down. You couldn't get a rolling paper between the obvious difference could you, eh.

I mean we literally have thousands of witnesses to Jesus resurrection, but only one witness to the Pope saying that. You need to stick with your premises. I said the bible was written by men and could be wrong, you took that to mean anything written by men is 100% unreliable and then depended on something written by man to support your argument.

Now we get to the next point. How do we determine reliability. Well Corinthians was written just 20 to 30 years after the events took place, we have texts about Cleopatra we think of as relevant written even later than that. We have the fact that if the large masses who saw jesus after his resurrection were lied about, the people in those areas would have stepped up to easily debunk what Paul wrote.

Behave yourself.

I have covered this a few times now. If you feel like resurrecting one of my old threads be my guest. here ya go:

I knew you were too much of a pussy. Look I will even let atheists be the exclusive judges of the debate. If your points are stronger than mine which you seem to think they are, you should be able to easily beat me. Or perhaps you are aware I would crush you and would rather stick to forums where you can fool yourself into believing you are making better points

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Melcharaz

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Melcharaz

05.09.2020 06:54PM

Lets not continue this topic. I believe we have established what God can and cannot do.

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05.09.2020 06:58PM

Those are some fair points in those posts. I will get to this later if the adderal doesn't wear off. The posts cited. Some dumb ones as wel . But I will address them. Right now the kid is all about me and annoying

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05.09.2020 08:56PM

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@Stephen

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X

It depends on what you mean under the definition of Myth. As JRR Tolkien noted to C.S. Lewis, the incarnation of Jesus was "True Myth".

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05.10.2020 02:02AM

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@Melcharaz

Taking you at your word that a thought experiment is the thrust of your posit, I'll ask in reply whether or not God can or cannot lift a weight greater than what He can lift: why would He need to try? It's really my response to all such challenges to God's abilities: in the argument of His omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience, many assume He is compelled to use the full measure of His abilities at all times? Again; why should He? If all he needs is a fly swatter, why should He over burden Himself with a nuclear weapon?

It is not that He refuses to waive His hand and all human suffering is eliminated, as we expect, or He is not God, consider that he allows suffering to take place because often, our suffering is due to our own actions; not His. We cause the suffering of others; let us solve our own problems with one another. It's what we're supposed to do.

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05.10.2020 07:14AM

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@Singularity

I mean we literally have thousands of witnesses to Jesus resurrection,

No you do not , stop being silly.

I have covered this a few times now. If you feel like resurrecting one of my old threads be my guest. here ya go:
I knew you were too much of a pussy.

Nope. I have done the crucifixion a quite few times now - as I have shown you above - and I forgot to add my most recent which was just four short days ago where you appear to have given it a wide birth. In fact it appears that the whole christian community here gave it a wide birth, with only one single irrelevant reply.

Here you are>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4153-islam-christianity-and-the-crucifixion

Why don't you star a thread of your own supporting ALL of your claims that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life and was " witnessed by thousands" of people

Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31

->@Singularity wrote; " What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later and he was seen by thousands of people after his death, proving his supernatural ability and godhood".

Now, off you go. Start your own thread, I will join you as soon as you have done so. It shouldn't take you too long to gather your supporting evidence that supports your Sunday school story.

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05.10.2020 07:46AM

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@Stephen

500 of the witnesses are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. Had it been bullshit, with the gospel written within the lifetime of those who would have knowledge of whether the event took place, Paul would have been called out. Let's not forget that these disciples so strongly believed in what they saw, that they willingly accepted execution, rather than admit to making up stuff, these young men chose to die for their beliefs. It makes no sense for them to keep up the ruse if it is based on obvious bullshit

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05.10.2020 09:05AM

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@Singularity

500 of the witnesses are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15.

So? I don't believe that anyone seen a man once said to have been dead for three days, alive again. You cannot prove anything at all. You don'y understand the meanings of these verses or these scriptures at all. You are not even novice.

It makes no sense for them to keep up the ruse if it is based on obvious bullshit

Like I have sad. You don't understand the first thing about these scriptures, or the language they used among the different sects that existed in Palestine at the time of the Christ.

I think you missed all of this>>

I have covered this a few times now. If you feel like resurrecting one of my old threads be my guest. here ya go:
I knew you were too much of a pussy.

Why don't you start a thread of your own supporting ALL of your claims that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life and was " witnessed by thousands" of people

Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31

->@Singularity wrote; " What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later and he was seen by thousands of people after his death, proving his supernatural ability and godhood".

Now, off you go. Start your own thread, I will join you as soon as you have done so. It shouldn't take you too long to gather your supporting evidence that supports your Sunday school story.

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05.10.2020 01:57PM

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@Stephen

So? I don't believe that anyone seen a man once said to have been dead for three days, alive again. You cannot prove anything at all. You don'y understand the meanings of these verses or these scriptures at all. You are not even novice.

I don't? Other than 1 corinthians 15 clearly states a crowd of at least 500 people witnessed him?

Your rebuttal is "you don't understand this"

How about this. Go to the debate portion of this site and challenge me in a debate. I bet you. won't, because you honestly can't win and you are such an intellectual midget you have to stick to the forums so you can stick with your self delusion that you are somehow not a brainlet

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05.10.2020 04:53PM

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@Singularity

Your rebuttal is "you don't understand this"

No. My rebuttal is that you cannot prove it. " I would work on your reading comprehension skills. "

How about this. Go to the debate portion of this site and challenge me in a debate.

And I have suggested that you start a thread all of your own and I will gladly join you. But you keep refusing to do that or didn't you see my offer ?

just in case you didn't here is is again. Notice bold underlined>>>

Why don't you start a thread of your own supporting ALL of your claims that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life and was " witnessed by thousands" of people

Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31

->@Singularity wrote; " What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later and he was seen by thousands of people after his death, proving his supernatural ability and godhood".

Now, off you go. Start your own thread, I will join you as soon as you have done so. It shouldn't take you too long to gather your supporting evidence that supports your Sunday school story.

PS. You still haven't brought yourself to comment on my last and most very recent thread concerning the crucifixion and a supposed dead man. Why is that? Here you are in case you missed that too. I await your comments but please make them relevant to the topic. >>>>

Islam, Christianity and the Crucifixion.

Author:Stephen, 05.04.20 06:33PM

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05.10.2020 06:09PM

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@Stephen

You keep trying to hash this out in a thread where you can escape actually having to admit I defeated you with logic. If you are scared to debate because you know I would crush you with facts, just admit you are either wrong or a pussy.

Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31

I did I pointed out 1 corinthians 15. And gave several premises for why it should be accepted as fact. This is why you are scared of a formal debate with me. You ignore my premises, meaning my arguments would stand and you would be declared a loser

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05.10.2020 06:12PM

This is why you are scared of a formal debate with me

Nope. My genuine offer still stands and I will keep reminding you that it still stands. Start your own thread, I will join you as soon as you have done so. for the forth time>>>

Why don't you start a thread of your own supporting ALL of your claims that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life and was " witnessed by thousands" of people

Start by supporting this wild claim of yours>> #31

->@Singularity wrote; " What we do know is that Jesus Christ died, was resurrected 3 days later and he was seen by thousands of people after his death, proving his supernatural ability and godhood".

Now, off you go. Start your own thread, I will join you as soon as you have done so. It shouldn't take you too long to gather your supporting evidence that supports your Sunday school story.

Islam, Christianity and the Crucifixion.

Author:Stephen, 05.04.20 06:33PM

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05.26.2020 07:48AM

@ Melcharaz,

Can God make something he cant lift?

That'll be #4 on this list.https://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/questions.html

4. Can god make a rock so big that he can’t lift it?

God is omnipotent. But omnipotence does not mean that God can do literally everything.

As the shorter catechism says "God can do all His holy will."

God cannot sin...God cannot lie...God cannot change His nature.

God cannot deny the demands of His holy character.

God cannot make a square circle, for the notion of a square circle is self–contradictory.

God cannot cease to be God. But all that God wills and promises He can and will do.

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06.01.2020 02:57PM

I don't know what or why, but here it is.

If God can create a boulder that he can't lift, then he either can't lift it or he can't create it.

God cannot be both weak or strong at the same time, even if he is God. If that is somehow possible, why isn't it comprehensible by humans? If it is not comprehensible by humans, God is not omnipotent. If God is truly omnipotent, he should be able to make everything else omnipotent as well.

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06.01.2020 02:57PM

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Crocodile

06.12.2020 03:03AM

This is implying god does exist in the first place. If he doesn't exist how can he lift something?

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06.12.2020 06:28AM

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@Crocodile

If it did exist and it was as fantastic as people say it is, then it wouldn't try to lift something that was too heavy. It would just create a lifting device. Only foolish people try to lift things that are too heavy?.....Oooooh my back!

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