If the LOVERS survive NP1, I'm going to have a hard time reading them as TOWN.
I hate statements publicly made like this btw
I call that type of thing anti-town, no matter how much it annoys some people. If town, it gives Mafia ideas, and helps them mislynch the speaker for trying to build a case ahead of time. If mafia, it tries to build town cred.Either way, it's a public declaration of intellect, when a better thinker would more likely keep their mouth shut about it.
I feel pretty confident that the skittlez lynch is basically a free mislynch, and obviously the lover lynch would hurt worse if they aren't lying, which I don't think they are.
Supa really fvcked us by claiming. In the off-chance one of the two of them are scum, I might lean towards it being supa by how panicked his outting was.
it would probably be Oro for that "If the LOVERS survive NP1, I'm going to have a hard time reading them as TOWN." statement.
"SuGgEsT aN aLtErNaTiVe ThEn"
If town, it gives Mafia ideas, and helps them mislynch the speaker for trying to build a case ahead of time. If mafia, it tries to build town cred.
so we agree that lynching MILLER or LOVER doesn't make much sense. You don't think either LOVER is lying, I think one of the two probably is but neither of has evidence. I have explained my suspicions but you have not explained your confidence.
We agree that Supa's claim was profoundly anti-TOWN. I have let this suspicious behavior inform my choices. You have not explained why you still think Supa is likely TOWN in spite of his anti-TOWN move.
I have explained that if Intel and Supa are merely bumbling town, then the likelihood of NK on them is extremely high. Therefore, if they don't die my suspicion on them increases. You say that's scummy but I just the call that the obvious consequence of claiming LOVER early.
You chastise yourself for not suggesting an alternative and then fail to suggest an alternative. Great.
The fact that it's obvious is what makes it scummy.
Here we strongly disagree. I am of the opinion that TOWN should be able to state very, very obvious things without arousing accusations that we are giving shit away to SCUM. SCUM is always smarter than TOWN. TOWN has to operate in a more open-handed fashion, making sure the rest of TOWN is on the same page.
There is literally nothing to be gained by waiting. Everyone has chimed in. Unless someone has a day phase roke and is going to produce results then all the information that we are going to get has already been gotten. From here on out people are just going to repeat themselves (like I already am) and talk in circles.There is nothing to be gained by waiting until the very last second to decide except to clog up the thread with redundant posts and make people bored.
We've had this argument dozens of times. Do you really think having it again is going to change anyone's position? Having multiple RL days is for meta logistical purposes so every player has adequate chance to weigh in. We've had that. Everyone has weighed in. So let's act. This isn't "rushing", it's playing the damn game.
There is literally nothing to be gained by waiting. Everyone has chimed in. Unless someone has a day phase roke and is going to produce results then all the information that we are going to get has already been gotten. From here on out people are just going to repeat themselves (like I already am) and talk in circles.
There is nothing to be gained by waiting until the very last second to decide except to clog up the thread with redundant posts and make people bored.
Like why have a VTNL option at all? Just let the day phase time out. Lynch or get off the pot.
Seriously, your decision to make best use of this DP is to rehash an argument we've had before (always resulting in impasse). You have nothing new to bring to the table, what the hell do you need 2.5 days for to do, exactly?
You're beginning to win me over. Unless someone claims, which would likely be bad, or someone gives off an obvious scum tell, which I doubt will happen, I doubt we'll get any more useful info to help us decide on this DP's lynch.
So as long as everyone jumps in the game says "Hi and bye" we should just random lynch every day phase because everyones "weighed in"?
The majority of the posts so far have been non constructive for reads.
The longer the phase goes on the more content we have to analyze from each of the players. I didn't pursue my scum reads in your game til about half way through the day phase, and there was plenty more time for content to pop up as scum get more and more impatient.
You don't have to be talking in circles. You could look into and analyze people's posts further as further conversation develops. Your forcing this "cycle" of insanity on yourself for basically no reason. I don't think the conversations are going in circles.
They aren't inherently redudant because you decided they were, and you can't just assume that everyone shares your boredom. In fact I am quite the opposite of you in terms of where I find fun in this game. Quick day phases ending in random lynches sounds like the exact opposite of "fun" for me. I personally don't see what you get out of it.
I mean, this is basically what I am suggesting. Not actually VTNL'ing. I've said I am open to a lynch if something scummy enough stands out to me, and I've also suggested using the time allotted. I've also explained why ousting more information is probably harmful at this point unless we are going to cave into a mass claim. Which I am not opposed to if we have to decide on a lynch today. Because Mafia already have 4 potential power roles to POE from tonight, which leaves them a 25% chance of killing the cop which already isn't ideal.
I'm pretty baffled that you of all people were convinced by the "let's rush the phase all the time" logic.
The thing here is you are basically telling the mafia what their optimal strategy with the night kill is. Now that this conversation is very loud and public are you going to change your mind in later day phases about this situation? If we are in day phase 2 or 3 and the lovers are still alive will you still want to mislynch them after we basically just told the mafia (assuming they are not it) that leaving them alive will look scummy?
If LOVERS are both TOWN and my statement of the obvious changes SCUM's mind and LOVERs survive, then I have done TOWN a favor.
So as long as everyone jumps in the game says "Hi and bye" we should just random lynch every day phase because everyones "weighed in"?No, that isn't anywhere close to anything I've said.
The majority of the posts so far have been non constructive for reads.Then get better at reading, I guess. No sense in wasting everyone else's time because you can't read. Besides, you're position is that lynches are mostly random anyway, right?
No, the longer the phase goes on, the less interested people will get. People having arguments will tunnel on each other. People outside those arguments will get bored of reading them. Longer phases are just generally worse for everyone involved except maf.
Right, which is why it is an opportune time to lynch, have a night phase and come back to the next day phase with fresh information. Why you would want to force the DP to be longer until it reaches the point where people are talking in circles is beyond me.
Ok, so then just say that. You want to stall and slow roll the game because it personally amuses you. At least be honest about your motivations.
Lol, so you don't want more information to be ousted? E.g. "all the information that we are going to get has already been gotten"
So if you don't want any new information to come to light, what exactly do you expect to come from 2.5 of everyone's lives, other than your own self-enjoyment?
