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@Greyparrot
farmers generally only work from sunrise to sunsetThanks for displaying your ignorance on agriculture.So you have never watched Nat Geo nor set foot on a farm confirmed.
THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING YOUR INABILITY TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION.
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@Greyparrot
do you think that perhaps there are unqualified legacy idiot executives and politicians ?Washington DC Politicians, absolutely. Most voters pay no federal taxes.Business Executives?Unlikely since the voters an executive is accountable to actually have their personal money invested in them.
RICH = SMART
RICH = GOOD
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@Greyparrot
Sure beats 12-year-olds plowing a field 16 hours a day.
farmers generally only work from sunrise to sunset
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@badger
It's self-organising and cannibalistic, and just nothing's ever going to measure up. Zero dead weight.
do you think that perhaps there are unqualified legacy idiot executives and politicians ?
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@badger
I'm also like half certain a "healthy" capitalist economy depends on the exploitation of shitheap countries, to be honest.
snowpiercer
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@Athias
The very essence of equality is loaded dice. Nothing is left to chance.I agree.
pLEASE eXPLAIN
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@Athias
How would a system which facilitates individual sovereignty disallow inheritance and nepotism? Aren't those expressions of private decisions?
think of it like a game of "monopoly"
would you participate in a game where your competitors already owned hotels on half the board and had vastly outsized cash reserves before you even rolled your first move?
forget the metaphor for a minute
would you play this board game ?
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@badger
Wasn't my point. Child labourers are an endangered species, I think.
approximately half of the chocolate on the global market involves child labor
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@Greyparrot
DO YOU REALLY THINK SOME HUMANS ARE BORN INTRINSICALLY "BETTER" THAN OTHERS?Did your parents never make you watch Nat Geo as a kid?
please make some attempt to answer the question
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@Greyparrot
EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"so no affirmative action and everyone is genetically engineered at a lab at conception. what a dystopia.
DO YOU REALLY THINK SOME HUMANS ARE BORN INTRINSICALLY "BETTER" THAN OTHERS?
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@Greyparrot
I'm just amazed at the so called academic intellectuals tossing about the term "equality" in a world where there isn't anything equal in nature.
you're the one who refuses to explain why you believe some people are "genetically advantaged".
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@Greyparrot
Every difference is an advantage for someone.
so, everyone has an advantage ?
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@Greyparrot
It's the small biological differences that create politics. It doesn't matter the percentage.
are you suggesting that "politicians" have some sort of "genetic advantage"?
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@Greyparrot
who do you believe have a "genetic advantage" ?Everyone is genetically unequal.
Everyone is genetically 99.99% IDENTICAL.
WHO DO YOU BELIEVE HAS A GENETIC ADVANTAGE??
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@ebuc
Others may lead to survival of some humans on Earth after year 2232, however, how much barbarism is engaged in, in that process forward on Earth, may scar those humans that still exist for many years foward in their evolutionary process.
100% LFTR
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@Greyparrot
Transcendence from unequal biology.
who do you believe have a "genetic advantage" ?
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@Ramshutu
They said that about he Portsmouth block mills, the cotton Jenny and the computer.They were right in that they all overturned the state of the conventional labour market.However, they also opened up a their own huge labour markets in their own right.
automating manual labor opened up opportunities for intellectual labor.
automating intellectual labor will open up opportunities in WHAT EXACTLY??
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@Ramshutu
Changes in the economy means that you have less job security;
great points, eloquently stated.
however,
we're all going to be in-the-same-metaphorical-boat so to speak when GPT3 demolishes the labor market.
and it's not going to matter what color you are or which washroom you prefer to use or what country you happen to live in.
and as long as we're all squabbling amongst ourselves, fighting over bread-crumbs, the real thieves are sitting pretty.
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@Greyparrot
EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"so no affirmative action and everyone is genetically engineered at a lab at conception. what a dystopia.
DO YOU REALLY THINK SOME HUMANS ARE BORN INTRINSICALLY "BETTER" THAN OTHERS?
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@Greyparrot
NO CHEATINGSo no ambitions to get ahead. Might as well move to Norway at this point and become mediocre like everyone else.
I NEVER THOUGHT YOU'D BE THE ONE ARGUING IN FAVOR OF CHEATING.
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@Greyparrot
NO INHERITANCESo no reason to work harder for society to make a better life for your kids, ok. Why even have kids at that point if you are not allowed to leave a legacy?
MANY OF THE WORLD'S MOST SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN.
THIS SHATTERS YOUR RATHER FLIMSY PREMISE.
TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO EARN THEIR OWN WEALTH.
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@Ramshutu
When you were the one with the power - equality feels like oppression.
pLEASE eXPLAIN
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@Greyparrot
Equality is the punishment for ambitious people and the reward for jealous people.
pLEASE eXPLAIN
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@Greyparrot
EQUALITY = PROVABLY FAIR"Fair" is one of the most subjective terms in existence.
PROVABLY FAIR = TRANSPARENT
What are provably fair games?
An online game can be considered provably fair if there is a mechanism in place, which allows the players to confirm the fairness of the game process.
The appearance of the ‘provably fair’ concept is closely related to the rise of online cryptocurrency gambling: casinos, lotteries and other online games that allow placing bets and receiving rewards in Bitcoins or altcoins.
The appearance of the ‘provably fair’ concept is closely related to the rise of online cryptocurrency gambling: casinos, lotteries and other online games that allow placing bets and receiving rewards in Bitcoins or altcoins.
They have started cropping up very soon after Bitcoin itself emerged, and one of the primary selling points of these games is their fairness. In legacy online gambling, the entire gaming process takes place behind-the-scenes and can be manipulated at will by the owners of the platform.
Conversely, one can’t trick a Blockchain, because all transactions are recorded on a public ledger - all ticket purchases and prize payouts are clear to see and can’t be faked. Moreover, with the advent of smart contract platforms, such as Ethereum, the entire game process can be governed strictly by program code, with no opportunity for human interference.
However, transactions are not everything there is to a casino or a lottery game, and some of the processes may still be hidden from a user’s eye. For example, the process of drawing the winning numbers in a lottery. Some platforms choose to reveal these details further and offer the players the necessary tools to confirm the fairness of all processes. This makes such platforms ‘provably fair.’
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest , that in terms of material evolution, the majority of humans are the biproduct of progress....Waste material....Trash.Though, whilst human development still relies to some extent upon a random process of selection, then the masses will remain necessary.
"live and let die"
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@Greyparrot
nobody wants to play a game that has loaded diceThe very essence of equality is loaded dice. Nothing is left to chance.
EQUALITY = PROVABLY FAIR
EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"
NO GIFTS
NO INHERITANCE
NO NEPOTISM
NO CHEATING
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@Athias
think of "society" as a game
think of being born as the pre-game character roll
think of legal adulthood as the start of gameplay
with no inheritance
with no gifts
with no nepotism
your "resume" cannot include any of your private medical information (including what you look like naked and your genetic history and your chronology)
your "resume" can only be a demonstration of your skill specific to the job you're applying for
nobody wants to play a game that has loaded dice
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@Athias
Social equality is a state of affairs in which all people within a specific society have equal rights, liberties, and status, possibly including civil rights, freedom of speech, property rights,
ok, so, more specifically "social equality"
ANARCHY covers the first five sevenths or so of your preferred definition quite neatly
equal access to certain social goods and social services
this part is begging for slightly more specific definitions of the terms involved
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@Athias
I'm essentially asking are or can the chemical/neurological/physiological processes which manifest in the emergence of the mind sustain characteristics/properties of the mind?
the "cause" of the "fire-starter" is a currently undefined variable of this proposed hypothetical
let's say, the "fire-starter" is a lightning-strike
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@Athias
is the fire starter absent of reason?
according to common dictionary definitions,
REASON = LOGIC
and,
RATIONAL = LOGICAL
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@Athias
But does anarchy really facilitate "equality" or are the principles extended by reason of how the individual is defined?
perhaps you might be so kind as to present your personally preferred definition of "equality"
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@Athias
the time and place of the "fire starter" determines the scope and longevity of the consequent fireEven if that fire is self-aware and can reason on its own?
please explain to me how a fire can violate the law of cause-and-effect
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@Greyparrot
you can't scare a person into becoming a "good person"you can't bribe a person into becoming a "good person"Sure you can; it's all encapsulated in a single word that does not apply to feminists.Accountability.
Accountability to whom, exactly ?
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@Athias
Um... what's makes the fire starter different from the fire? The properties which it exhibits, in this case, consiousness, reasoning, experiential emotion, etc - fairly basic things.So then, I harken back to my previous question: "how is this distinction [i.e. consciousness, reasoning, experiential emotion, etc.] identifiable in contrast to the physiological/neurological framework of the brain? I suppose I'm asking: do these chemical/physiological processes in the Brain happen absent of reason?
the time and place of the "fire starter" determines the scope and longevity of the consequent fire
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@fauxlaw
Your #1 and #19 are some of the greatest wisdom I've read here in a long time. We don't often agree on details of things, but on these, grand slams! Well done!
i am humbled by your focus
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@Greyparrot
Tell that to the millions of shallow feminists who have no purpose in society other than their careers.At least there will be fewer homeless cats in the future.
you can't scare a person into becoming a "good person"
you can't bribe a person into becoming a "good person"
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@Greyparrot
Tell that to the millions of shallow feminists who have no purpose in society other than their careers.At least there will be fewer homeless cats in the future.
people who do not cultivate strong familial bonds will die out
cultures that do not cultivate strong familial bonds face certain extinction
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@Athias
ANARCHY = EQUALITYPERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY = EQUALITYHow?
ANARCHY = NO KINGS
ANARCHY = NO GODS
ANARCHY = PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
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@Greyparrot
you're only a sheep if you're "obligated" to the fucking herdRip the human species. It just won the Darwin award.
you have just achieved critical mass
i'm not suggesting you should murder everyone
i'm not suggesting you should abandon anyone
i'm not suggesting you should become a hermit
i'm suggesting you should be a "good person" because you want to be a "good person"
if you are a "good person" because you fear hellish punishment YOU ARE A SLAVE
if you are a "good person" because you expect heavenly reward YOU ARE A MERCENARY
if you are a "good person" even if it costs you everything,
then you are truly free
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@TheUnderdog
Criminals like murderers and rapists don’t deserve human rights like liberty.
do you believe that some people can be falsely convicted of rape ?
do you believe that those people are trash ?
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@Greyparrot
you are only ever "obligated" to YOURSELFThat's the mantra perpetuated by toxic feminism, Congrats sheep.
you're only a sheep if you're "obligated" to the fucking herd
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@Theweakeredge
P1: Atoms are non-livingP2: Cats are made of atomsCON: Therefore Cats are non-livingThe composition fallacy, inferring what is true of one part of a thing is true of the thing itself.
also, if you consider "faulty logic" to be "mental incompetence" then you need to start placing every newscaster and politician on earth in some sort of gigantic mental hospital.
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@Theweakeredge
P1: Atoms are non-livingP2: Cats are made of atomsCON: Therefore Cats are non-livingThe composition fallacy, inferring what is true of one part of a thing is true of the thing itself.
you're engaging in "motivated reasoning" also known as "post-hoc rationalization"
in other words,
you forgot to define "living"
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@Greyparrot
regardless of "social pressure" and "the law"
you are only ever "obligated" to YOURSELF
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@Athias
I've never endorsed the concept of equality, and I will never endorse the concept of equality because it necessarily undermines individuality
ANARCHY = EQUALITY
PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY = EQUALITY
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@Greyparrot
Men no longer have an obligation
that's the beauty of personal sovereignty
you are only ever "obligated" to YOURSELF
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