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@Athias
It's true that Feminism especially in its adoption by the State
any ideology that focuses on asking "the state" to "rescue them" from something is CASH MUNY $$$
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@Greyparrot
Generations of modern Feminism has taught many women to have masculine energy, which is a biological turnoff for many men.
so, i'm guessing you don't like seeing bikini girls holding assault rifles ?
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@Lemming
Well, certain drugs also 'impair more than sugar, leading to behaviors that cause an individual to fail at their job.
SUGAR IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF HEART DISEASE.
HEART DISEASE IS THE #1 LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
AMPHETAMINES MARKEDLY INCREASE PERFORMANCE OF MOST JOBS, THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN GIVING THEM TO FIGHTER-PILOTS SINCE WW2.
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@Theweakeredge
because it is not a fault of reasoning
are you able to provide an example of something you believe would qualify as "a fault of reasoning" ?
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@Lemming
People don't generally get 'fired for a sugar addiction.People don't generally crave sugar enough, to steal from family. Or let it warp their morals.
ONLY BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL.
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@Lemming
Maybe drug addiction is more of a value problem, than an understanding problem.
is sugar addiction functionally indistinguishable from "drug" addiction?
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@Theweakeredge
its a brain error.
just a note, "gambling addiction" has been added to the DSM5 under "substance addiction" (i agree it doesn't seem to fit, but apparently the dopamine spikes are indistinguishable from cocaine).
also, if your brain is malfunctioning, how is that not "mental incompetence" ?
an addicted brain is short-circuited.
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@Theweakeredge
becoming addicted to something is rarely an error in reasoning
what kind of error is addiction?
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The vast majority of "men's rights" groups are not actually about trying to reverse sexual discrimination against men. They don't even make the effort. They're about undermining feminism and fighting against equality. It's basically the same kind of mindset that pushes some on the right to insist that white people are the real victims. Any erosion of power, however unjust that power position is, makes some people feel like victims of discrimination.
'A Voice for Men' was the most prominent, loud and genuinely awful groups a few years ago. Probably still are. And if you bothered to pay attention to the things they were actually trying to get attention for, it either had nothing to do with addressing actual sexual discrimination or was used as a battering tool against women and feminism. AVfM, in particular, has advanced lies that about half of rape accusations against men are false, that domestic violence shelters for women are just teaching anti-male politics, that domestic violence against men studies were hiding real rates of violence, have doxxed feminists and female protestors, stated that women would be useless if not for sex, etc.
The most common argument in these kinds of groups (again, a majority) is that sexual discrimination against men is a bigger and wider problem than discrimination against women. On its face, it's a rejection of the very basic feminist notion that women are not yet treated equally. And even when they attempt something positive, it's anti-female. Rather than try to seek better care for veterans, AVfM sought better care for male veterans. Like, most veterans are men, why make the distinction except to specifically discriminate against female veterans?
As frustrating and horrifying as these kinds of groups are, the truth is that a bigger part of me just feels sad. Because there are issues that affect men more than women. There are problems that aren't being properly addressed. Men who experience sexual assault at the hands of women, though rarer than the other way around, usually have no recourse in the courts. Because the idea that a woman can rape a man is "silly." Men commit suicide at higher rates and, partly thanks to the sexual roles that push them into both self-reliance and an aversion to asking for emotional support, are less likely to seek help when suicidal ideation takes hold. The outreach aimed at reducing suicide currently works better for women than men. That's a problem. But most men's groups aren't trying to address and fix problems, they're about airing grievances against feminism and women. It's so stupid and pointless.
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What you call "the majority" is simply the worst examples that have been AMPLIFIED by media in order to paint the entire movement with a BROAD-BRUSH and create a convenient BOOGIE-MAN to rally against. It's a game. We're all humans and should defend the individual sovereignty of all humans, BOTH female and male, foreigner and citizen, no matter how poor and no matter how rich they may be. They want us to think of each other as "evil", but that's just a game that keeps us fighting amongst ourselves.
I want to live in a world where all humans are treated like humans.
Homeless people are not trash.
Criminals are not trash.
Foreigners (Russians/Chinese/Iranians/North-Koreans) are not evil trash.
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@Theweakeredge
isn't addiction proof-positive of mental incompetence?I wouldn't say so -
where would you personally "draw the line"?
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@Lemming
I don't think I'd support them being declared mentally incompetent, when they're 'sane but still addicted, though.
isn't addiction proof-positive of mental incompetence?
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@TheUnderdog
I think the benefits of someone identifying as a 6 year old to get free stuff from the state outweigh the costs.
just like a homeless person who has been declared mentally incompetent.
they seem to get along great.
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@SkepticalOne
So, is that only your specific god or just any god in general? ...and how do you know god is not a meaning you've manufactured?
LORD VISHNU GIVES MY LIFE MEANING.
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@PGA2.0
Although beauty is not a moral value, I would still argue that its ideal is God. He is again the fixed reference point.Wait a minute, does this mean that all the most beautiful things in the world are mirror reflections of "YHWH"?God is Spirit. Beauty reflects His Spirit. Kindness, goodness, gentleness, love, joy, peace, patience, faithfulness, and self-control. Those are qualities, not quantities.
who made all the "ugly stuff"?
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@Theweakeredge
Huh, well that was a bad thing - does it happen regularly?
YES.
IT USUALLY DOESN'T GET REPORTED TO THE POLICE.
BUT MANY PEOPLE TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO BE SELF-APPOINTED VIGILANTES.
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@Theweakeredge
Can... can you source that for me? Because it seems that none of that actually appears in legislation. To be clear - it is more than possible that police step over the line (they do that a lot), I just need a source cuz I'd never heard of a police actually doing that before.
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@TheUnderdog
I fail to see the difference. If someone can change their gender at will, can they also change their age at will? If not, what’s the difference?
Your age should also be considered private medical information.
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@zedvictor4
I will try and find a copy....Always looking for a winter read.....To much else going on this time of year.
There's also a movie version.
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@TheUnderdog
Identifying as a 6 year old means the state provides for you like they do for any 6 year old without parents willing to take care of them. Then you don’t have to work.
How well do you think orphans are treated?
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@Theweakeredge
But I wasn't aware you could be like... fined or even removed for going to the wrong restroom.
Even if there is no specific law in your district, people will call the police, and the police will ask you to leave.
And if you refuse, the police can arrest you for "disorderly conduct" or "creating a public disturbance".
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@Theweakeredge
Fine then - you seem to be intellectually dishonest based on the preponderance of evidence. Happy?
ecstatic
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@Theweakeredge
Do you agree that people should be able to choose their own personally preferred washroom?
Do you agree that the police have absolutely no authority to tell someone which washroom they must visit?
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@coal
Do you think I'm transphobic? If so, state your reasons why.
I would never try to "label" you as something you did not "self-identify" as.
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@Theweakeredge
Look at your pedantics. Once you start taking yourself seriously, perhaps I'll respond to your points.
You seem to be suggesting that you can know someone's "true gender" by simply looking at them.
You're making the logical leap that just because you believe "a doctor" can "run some tests" and determine someone's "reel-troo-geandar" that somehow makes you also able to somehow, without any of the knowledge, equipment, or private access of "a doctor", you still think that somehow, you can determine someone's "reel-troo-geandar".
Sure, "a doctor" might be able to determine my "reel-troo-geandar", sure, ok, fine. No problem.
But that information is covered by MEDICAL PRIVACY RIGHTS.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO "NEED TO KNOW".
THE STATE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO "NEED TO KNOW".
There is no, and can be no law that makes it illegal for a man to wear makeup and a dress in public.
There is no, and can be no law that makes it illegal for a woman to wear flannel shirts and work-boots and cut their hair short.
And while some women look like men disguised as women and some men look like women disguised as men, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
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@TheUnderdog
then tens of millions of American adults would identify as a minor in order to avoid having to work,
This is a logical leap of ludicrous proportions.
Identifying as a six year old won't gain you any advantages.
Six year olds can still be tried as adults in a court of law, solely at the judges discretion.
You won't be allowed to work anywhere.
And nobody is going to take care of you unless you have a fully paid up health insurance policy, in which case they might treat you like a mentally handicapped person and throw in the looney bin until your money runs out.
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@Theweakeredge
No - I block people for being intellectually dishonest. See Fauxlaw - we disagree on almost EVERY POSITION - yet I have NEVER blocked him. Stop projecting Zed
My sincerity is beyond your epistemological limits.
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@Theweakeredge
because (guess what) we can actually real neural activity, hormone levels, phenotypical expression
Just by looking at someone?
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@MarkWebberFan
Clearly, virtue is not reasonably ascertained.
OF COURSE NOT.
THAT'S WHY I SPECIFIED,
(IFF) "GOD" = "GOOD" (THEN) ...
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@Athias
Your support there reminds me of a certain DDO.... the guy who refused Pastuer's research.... ya know - the germ theory of disease - same vibes- same lack of substantiation.Except it does not lack "substantiation." You're once again criticizing that which you have NOT read. You can avail yourself to the information. Internet sourcing is not a rule for providing evidence. You can do some honest research rather than parrot some article or blog.
It's very strange to me how eager theweakeredge is to TALK AT ME while SIMULTANEOUSLY BLOCKING ME FROM REPLYING.
Also, this topic doesn't require "scientific evidence" in order to "solve".
NOBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT I LOOK LIKE NAKED.
What is under my clothes is BEYOND YOUR EPISTEMOLOGICAL LIMITS.
You can "guess" all day and all night, but your "guess" is not "SCIENCE".
Nobody should expect to be strip-searched before they're allowed into a public bathroom.
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Even better.
(IFF) "god" = "good" (THEN)
How do we know what "god" believes is "good"?
Which "god" is the "real" one?
Which translation and which book do we trust?
Which priests do we turn to for answers that aren't perfectly clear in the text?
Or do we (as individuals) just ask "god" directly?
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@fauxlaw
Thus demonstrates the fallacy of thought over physical evidence.
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@Athias
Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, it's an abnormality; detractors use "mental illness" as a means to pathologize gender dysphoric behavior. In other words, it's an attempt to substantiate their objections to Gender Dysphoria using "medicine" as a basis. But here's the thing: "mental illness" is not medical. "Mental illness" is a myth. The concept of "illness" in psychiatric lexicon has never been substantiated by medical science, and had been perpetuated by the APA for years. It started with Jean-Martin Charcot, a nineteenth century neurologist, who intended on demonstrating that "hysteria" had a neuropathological basis. He was expediently discredited.
well stated
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@fauxlaw
Wow! Who wound you up?
please be slightly more specific
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@Username
That is all immaterial though. The bigger problem is that if intention is completely sidestepped then we're going to start arresting rocks for falling on people and imprisoning hammers for smashing fingers.
well, the good news is that throwing rocks in a cage for ten years does NOT increase their antisocial tendencies.
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@Username
Not necessarily.
please explain, from the victim's perspective, what the difference is.
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@Username
Is human sacrifice always acceptable to you?
like war?
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Don't be an asshole.... that's pretty much it.
can you please be slightly more specific?
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@Athias
at the same time, if someone blocks you for pointing out their excessive logical fallacies, it really makes you wonder.
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@Username
Sleepwalking to a bank and robbing it and robbing a bank while fully conscious are two different things.
from the victim's perspective they are FUNCTIONALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE.
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@Username
Intentionality is a factor in which/whether crimes have been committed, sure.
why?
and how do you determine "authentic" "intentionality"?
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@Username
That wasn't my point. Unless I'm missing yours.
ok, so you're NOT considering "intentionality" as a factor in determining whether or not a "crime" has been committed?
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@Username
Not a lot, I imagine. Why?
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
THOSE WITHOUT THE CAPITAL GET THE PUNISHMENT
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@Username
It's like you saying:"Dude, do you really accept lunch ladies intentionally giving their students undercooked food?"And then I say:"Yeah, just like you accept lunch ladies sometimes accidentally giving their students undercooked food."
determining (a legal quantification of) "intentionality" is functionally indistinguishable from witchcraft.
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@Username
If only everything worked that way. Even people using the most logical reasoning possible don't always get everything right. Sometimes what actually happened was very unlikely. And when evidence is complex, not everyone will make the correct decision.
have you considered the average net worth of people who get sentenced to death?
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@Dr.Franklin
more like just dont insult somebody, you dont need to respect everybody
NO AD HOMINEM ATTACKS.
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@fauxlaw
Treat people with respect, even in disagreement. Bingo, no ban.
in my book, critique is respect.
and critique will very likely get you banned.
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Immortal Technique Gets Real About the N-Word
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