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@Tradesecret
Give me your definition first and why you have it. 
Please be slightly more specific.
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@Tradesecret
Yet, I take the view that there ought to be rules of war and that our entry as a nation to a war ought to be justified.  
Is this a view that is supported by and or based on the teachings of the holy scriptures?
Yes. 
Citation please.
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@sadolite
You think any action requires and emotional motive.
Because it does.

If you didn't want anything, you'd never move.

If you never moved, you would die.
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@Tarik
whether or not something is claimed has no bearing on facts, they exist on their own,
How do you support this claim?
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@Tarik
FACTUAL = VERIFIED
Yes but it doesn’t = VERIFIED BY HUMANS
How do you verify a factual claim?
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@Tarik
Only humans can make FACTUAL CLAIMS.
That doesn’t matter, you see? It’s my lack of emotion in that respect as to why my position is objective.
It doesn't make any sense to try and talk about a FACTUAL CLAIM that is "independent" of human thought.
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@Tarik
Maybe but how do you know those claims weren’t factual before they were verified?
FACTUAL = VERIFIED
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@fauxlaw
terrorists have the right to seek a redress of their grievances
Which they are unable to exercise while they are being held indefinitely in secret prisons.

A right that can be taken away is called a "privilege".

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@Tarik
“what's so special about human involvement that dictates whether of not something is fact?”
Only humans can make FACTUAL CLAIMS.

Only humans can verify FACTUAL CLAIMS.
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@sadolite
Planning for the future isn't about emotion its about not being a worthless POS burden on society.
Would "being a worthless [penniless] POS burden on society" make you FEEL BAD????

EVERYTHING YOU DO IS CAUSED BY E-MOTION.
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@fauxlaw
The mysterious "urgent" and "secret" nature of anything even remotely related to "terrorism" makes it nearly impossible for anyone accused of it, whether guilty or NOT GUILTY to be treated with any sort of basic human dignity.

In recent years, however, the measures adopted by States to counterterrorism have themselves often posed serious challenges to humanrights and the rule of law.

In some cases, people merely suspected of terrorism have been stripped of their citizenship.

Some States have engaged in torture and otherill-treatment to counter terrorism, while the legal and practical safeguardsavailable to prevent torture, such as regular and independent monitoringof detention centres, have often been disregarded.

Other States havereturned persons suspected of engaging in terrorist activities to countrieswhere they face a real risk of torture or other serious human rights abuse,thereby violating the international legal obligation of non-refoulement.

The independence of the judiciary has been undermined, in some places,while the use of exceptional courts to try civilians has had an impact onthe effectiveness of regular court systems.

Repressive measures have beenused to stifle the voices of human rights defenders, journalists, minorities,indigenous groups and civil society.

Resources normally allocated to socialprogrammes and development assistance have been diverted to thesecurity sector, affecting the economic, social and cultural rights of many.

These practices, particularly when taken together, have a corrosiveeffect on the rule of law, good governance and human rights. [LINK]
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@Theweakeredge
DO YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES SHOULD BE GUARANTEED CIVIL RIGHTS?
Yes, including terrorists.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "CRIMINAL" AND A "TERRORIST" IS THAT A "TERRORIST" HAS NO CIVIL RIGHTS.

THE WORD "TERRORIST" IS USED TO BRAINWASH PEOPLE INTO DISMANTLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS.
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@Athias
Israelite babies, maybe.
That seems likely.

Since those Israelites certainly killed a lot of foreign babies.
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@Athias
Who did "YHWH" speak to?
George Walker Bush, or so he claimed.
You'd think "YHWH" would be capable of making some sort of public announcement.

Perhaps they need a better publicist?
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@dustryder
So I guess my question to you is, do they, or at least some of the protesters meet the bar for domestic terrorism?
The legal bar is a moving target.

The logical bar is something completely different.

DO YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES SHOULD BE GUARANTEED CIVIL RIGHTS?
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@dustryder
You could certainly label the ones who were using unjustifiable intimidation and violence tactics against civilians, sure.
Do you see any danger whatsoever in jumping from "criminal" to "terrorist"?

Why is it not perfectly adequate to call these people "criminals"?
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@sadolite
Any and all decisions based on spending money or investing it.
Do you invest money in order to have MORE money at some point in the future?

Why?

Why would you want MORE money at some point in the future?

Are you anticipating that you might be SAD at some point?

Planning for the future is driven 100% by e-motion.
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@Tarik
What made you think I took issue with your axioms?
You asked me to explain how I got my definition of "FACT".
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@Death23
This issue's not going to protect him from conviction in the senate,
There is ZERO chance that senate republicans are going to vote to convict.
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@ebuc
Mayor DC [HAS AN UNQUALIFED OPINION] calling it 'attempted coup'.
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@Death23
Are the people who organized other protests that ended in burning buildings and broken windows also "culpable"?
The answer is "I don't know." The reality is that I don't have enough information about their conduct to answer that question. How the hell am I supposed to form an opinion about the guilt or innocence of someone with this limited information.
Well, you can't prove that the idiot Trump INTENDED for protesters to break things and hurt people.

In the exact same way you can't prove that the BLM and HONG KONG organizers INTENDED for protesters to break things and hurt people.

ANY LAW THAT RELIES ON DETECTING "TRUE MOTIVE AND OR INTENT" IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM WITCHCRAFT.
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@ebuc
This morning on the radio, "the news" kept repeating "violent insurrection" this and "violent insurrection" that.

Apparently, "insurrection" isn't scary enough by itself.  They've insisted on adding "violent".

Strangely they didn't call the HONG KONG PROTESTS that occupied government offices "a violent insurrection", even though there was also violence.

Do you know who called the HONG KONG PROTESTS "a violent insurrection"?

Chinese officials.
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@Athias
Perhaps. This is in reference to the Amalekites.
Ok.

So, does this "don't kill babies" commandment only apply to Jewish babies?
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@Athias
These "religious people" don't seem to have any problem with "killing" when they feel like it.
You may not believe what they believe, but they believe what they believe. And that's the point: it is not inconsistent with their beliefs that they believe man has no prerogative to kill babies, and God does for the reasons I've already mentioned.
Where is it recorded that "YHWH" said, "thou shalt not kill any babies ever"?
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@Athias
In modern times, does "YHWH" explicitly command its followers to "kill prisoners"?
Yes: Guantanamo Bay.
Who did "YHWH" speak to about that?
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@Athias
In modern times, does "YHWH" explicitly command its followers to "go to war"?'
Yes: Iraq.
Who did "YHWH" speak to?

Why didn't "YHWH" tell us where the WMDs are?
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@Athias
Perhaps a better question would be, what would someone Christian/Islamic/Judaic argue in the circumstance where a staunch Satanist (descended from a long line of Satanists) wishes to carry out an abortion?
This is no mystery.

They would argue, "killing is always wrong no matter what because my old book says so".
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@Tradesecret
Yet, I take the view that there ought to be rules of war and that our entry as a nation to a war ought to be justified.  
Is this a view that is supported by and or based on the teachings of the holy scriptures?
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@Tradesecret
So, I'm guessing you're a staunch anti-war advocate as well?
So just for the record - are you really suggesting that war and aborting babies are comparable? 
You seemed to suggest that "killing people" is some sort of "universal evil".

Please explain how you decide who should live and who should die.
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@Tradesecret
Isn't "the law" simply "codified mob rule"?
My answer is no. 
Please explain what you think "the law" is and where do you think it comes from?

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@Athias
Religious people oppose abortion in part by reason of man's not having authority over life and death unless instructed by God.
In modern times, does "YHWH" explicitly command its followers to "go to war"?

In modern times, does "YHWH" explicitly command its followers to "kill prisoners"?

These "religious people" don't seem to have any problem with "killing" when they feel like it.
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@ethang5
The hypocrisy is so thick here, I need a cutlass. 
This morning on the radio, "the news" kept repeating "violent insurrection" this and "violent insurrection" that.

Apparently, "insurrection" isn't scary enough by itself.  They've insisted on adding "violent".

Strangely they didn't call the HONG KONG PROTESTS that occupied government offices "a violent insurrection", even though there was also violence.

Do you know who called the HONG KONG PROTESTS "a violent insurrection"?

Chinese officials.
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@Conway
emphasis that he is personally willing to put everything on the line.
This seems reasonable.
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@Tradesecret
You in your words attempted to mock me -
SPECULATION ABOUT MOTIVES = AD HOMINEM ATTACK

yet you demonstrate an increased ignorance of understanding logic, reason, argumentation, evidence and its purpose. I am quite surprised that you have been able to reach ANY conclusions by reasoning. 
SPECULATION ABOUT GENERAL STATE OF MIND = AD HOMINEM ATTACK
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@Tradesecret
By discounting the evidence really was the lever which caused the riots.
I hope you're getting paid to spread the official narrative.
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@Tradesecret
Yet when the atheist simply says - it is not evidence - they are lying or mistaken in their understanding of what evidence is - and what evidence is being used for. 
Generally, when a skeptic refers to "evidence" they're talking about EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.
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@Tradesecret
What will be given more weight by each person? Of course there is alleged eye-witness testimony of the NANABOZHO, the PANGU and APHRODITE.  But how much weight do we give to these alleged eye witness accounts? That is the question. 
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@dustryder
I'm not sure how that's relevant to this case. In this particular instance of protest, there were bombs, assault, murder, destruction of property, theft, trespassing and death threats. You had congressmen, capitol hill staffers and policemen quivering behind seats.

I do find it curious that you would not label this as terrorism. Why not?
Would you call the HONG KONG "PROTESTERS" "TERRORISTS"?
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@FLRW
...nsciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will con...
I am 100% in favor of making ALL LYING ILLEGAL.

Are you 100% in favor of making ALL LYING ILLEGAL?
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@zedvictor4
Every person has a mix of views.

No two christians believe exactly the same things.

No two muslims believe exactly the same things.

No two "conservatives" believe exactly the same things.

No two "liberals" believe exactly the same things.
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@dustryder
But defamatory labelling of people is a personal attack,
Yes, and a personal attack is an ad hominem attack.

WHICH IS AN OPINION.

Just like saying "biden is an idiot" is an OPINION.
Just like saying "trump is an idiot" is an OPINION.

Just like saying "all christians are idiots" is an OPINION.
Just like saying "all muslims are idiots" is an OPINION.
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@Tradesecret
Evidence comes in various forms.  It is normally defined as "any statement, record, testimony, or other things, apart from legal submissions, which tends to prove the existence of a fact in issue". 

I like eyewitness testimony.  
So, I guess you believe in big-foot, the loch-ness monster, and space-aliens?

Since they're all confirmed by eyewitness testimony?
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@drafterman
but it would be up whether or not a judge or jury could be convinced of it.
Too bad we can't just hook him up to the old brain-scanner-truth-and-motive-detector.
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@Tradesecret
Yet, I do not believe in taking the law into my own hands. I am not a vigilante and do not support vigilantes. I think those that work outside of the law - demonstrate that they are a law unto themselves and whatever their intentions are supposed to be - for good or bad - they believe they are above the law.  This goes against my view that all people are equal beneath the law.  IT is an elitist position - and should be condemned. 
Isn't "the law" simply "codified mob rule"?
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@Tradesecret
- the needless murder of millions of humans every year.
So, I'm guessing you're a staunch anti-war advocate as well?
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@drafterman
He says it was in reference to them being allowed to inspect the Dominion machines. Doesn't make a lick of sense, TBH, but that's his explanation.
Thanks for the link.

Yeah, like I said, he's an idiot.

It's basically impossible to "prove" he was trying to "overthrow the united states government" wholesale.
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@Death23
Incitement of insurrection is an actual crime.
Ok.

So, do you think wandering aimlessly through the Capital Building qualifies?
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@drafterman
Giuliani is talking about Republican officials contesting the certification.
Not according to Giuliani
I missed the news story where Giuliani explains himself.

Perhaps you'd like to share with the rest of us?
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@FLRW
I don't know why religious people are so against abortion. God had no problem killing babies.
1 Samuel 15:3   Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
Good point.
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@Tarik
Was there an argument in there?
Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.
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