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@zedvictor4
In your own home maybe.There's redecorating and then there's vandalism.
A statue, regardless of where it is located is nothing more than decoration.
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@Stephen
So what we should do is tell everyone that doesn't believe that millions of every species fitted and existed and survived in the Ark for over 5 months,
I think we should demand a demonstration.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
It's only illegal if you get caught.
So, are you in favor of ARBITRARY ENFORCEMENT?
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@Lemming
Depends on the societies values, laws, presuppositions, and what not.
What do you personally believe is the ultimate goal (use-case) of "THE LAW"?
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@Lemming
If I locked you in a room with a piece of paper and a pencil, could you commit a crime?If you showed that piece of paper to other people, either by posting it in a public place or by giving away copies, could that be a crime?According to some legal systems I 'think I 'could commit a crime in the first case.And according to some legal systems I'm certain it would be possible to commit a crime in the second case.
Do you think this is logically defensible?
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@Lemming
So long as a 'significant amount of the justification is an appeal to authority.
I think you should imagine that all the police and other officials are gone.
Perhaps you're way out in the middle of nowhere, driving along a road and you see a stop sign.
Would you stop?
Perhaps you're way out in the middle of nowhere, driving along a road and you see a campsite, and a large bag of money.
Would you take the money?
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@Greyparrot
It's fascinating to see how fast that guy ran with saggy thug pants after unloading a clip into a parked police cruiser.
It's fascinating to see how fast you can leap to the BROAD BRUSH fallacy after scavenging for cherry-picked examples.
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@bmdrocks21
That is precisely why I stayed with generalities that are applicable to most "White" cultures. They aren't 100% the same, but they share a lot of fundamental qualities.
Would you say that "Irish culture" and "British culture" "share a lot of fundamental qualities"?
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@bmdrocks21
As for "assimilation" and not having a multicultural country, we need to significantly cut immigration and mandate patriotic education in public schools.
Perhaps we could force them all to swear an oath of allegiance to something that represents state power, you know like a, something maybe made of cloth? Or maybe I'm just mixing that up with an old 1891 advertising campaign. [LINK]
I'm not sure that's going to be sufficient.
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@bmdrocks21
Remind me who exactly invented "social security"?
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@EtrnlVw
If you could first deal with the thought of a crime as it occurs in the mind, you've dealt with the crime before it was even perpetrated in the open.
IN THEORY.
IN PRACTICE, though, if you THINK IT THROUGH, you will realize that nearly every (real-life-physical-actual) "crime" you can imagine committing is not worth the inevitable consequences (even if the "cops" never catch you).
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@EtrnlVw
Thoughts come before crimes,
Not necessarily.
Many crimes are spontaneous.
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@EtrnlVw
Spirituality, or the process thereof helps the individual control not only what they do, but first what they think. If one can control the mind (thought), and even the emotions first...one can easily control their output, what they openly do.
This is great.
But only if the practice is PURELY VOLUNTARY.
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@Intelligence_06
That is irony, I can tell.*thinks harder**thinks even harder**thinks what to do if they arrest me for thinking by thinking**thinks how to not think by thinking**thinks about something that is nothing*
I'm dialing the thought-police.
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@EtrnlVw
Perceiving God...
Only if you conflate "perceiving" with "imagining".
...or experiencing God...
Just like a dream.
...is much more complicated I admit, at least in terms of demonstrating it...
Right, you can't exactly "see" "hear" "smell" "taste" or "touch" it.
...but not at all in terms of explaining it and showing how it works.
Well, you can imagine any number of hypothetical frameworks, but if the person you're talking to has no memory of GNOSIS (AGNOSTIC), they might hear your words, but they will not "know".
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@EtrnlVw
Knowing of God is simple, the information and facts have already been presented in many forms from many sources.
Please explicitly identify one or more "facts" that you personally believe supports this claim.
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@EtrnlVw
This includes everything that can be experienced outside the immediate physical sense perception, within the whole arena of spirituality.
Just like dreams.
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@EtrnlVw
...you could compare the full scope of sense perception to channels or frequencies like that of radio waves and the immediate physical channel of perception is only one of many channels/frequencies.....and all levels of experience are still a phenomenon.
Actually, "phenomenon" is very specifically what you CAN empirically QUANTIFY.
You can imagine any number of "dream channels" you can "tune into", but they can not be said to be either "REAL", "TRUE", OR "FACT".
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@EtrnlVw
The soul can experience phenomenon transcendent of the immediate physical sense perception due to the reality that the soul exists independent of them.
What exactly do you mean when you say "the soul exists".
What is your preferred definition of "exists"?
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@EtrnlVw
You have to actually make an argument as to why you assert or believe God is both unknowable...
(IFF) "god" is omniscient, omnipotent, and the sole "creator" of all things (THEN) "god" necessarily is all things and is all knowable and unknowable things.
(IFF) humans are incapable of knowing all things (THEN) humans are incapable of knowing "god".
If you prefer a different definition of either "god" or "human", please let me know and I will demonstrate in your preferred vernacular.
...and cannot be perceived at some level of experience.
One might conceivably be able to have an UNFALSIFIABLE, personal "experience" of "god(s)", but that experience is necessarily indistinguishable from OPINION/QUALIA/GNOSIS.
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@EtrnlVw
In other words I don't agree with such an assertion, saying/claiming it is only an opinion.
How do you, personally, distinguish OPINION from FACT?
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@EtrnlVw
Not when you understand the nature of consciousness and the soul as it is proposed within the spiritual framework.
We might be talking about two different things.
I'm saying that you can't "KNOW" god(s) (QUANTA).
I believe you are suggesting that you CAN "EXPERIENCE" god(s) (QUALIA).
You CAN "KNOW" that you remember an "EXPERIENCE", but that knowledge is unfalsifiable (indistinguishable from OPINION/GNOSIS).
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@EtrnlVw
I'll be the first to tell you that spirituality transcends the immediate physical sense perceptions...
We are in 100% agreement on this point.
...but that in no way implies God is unknowable and or cannot be perceived at all.
It is important to draw a bright line between (REAL-TRUE-FACT/QUANTA) (AND) (PRIVATE-EXPERIENCE-OPINION/QUALIA).
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@Intelligence_06
If thought = crime, then it just furtherly proves that God is just a tyrant.
Stop thinking or I'll have to report you to the authorities!!
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@n8nrgmi
are you saying young blacks have no choice but to act like thugs,
I'm not suggesting they have "no choice".
because they are poor?
All poor people have extremely limited options and are not "treated equally" by the "justice" system.
For example, children of all skin-tones born into families that make $100,000.00+ (USD) per year (middle-class) have roughly the same life expectancy, education, and legal protections.
are you saying thug culture has no choice but to exist,
What you call "thug culture" is simply a marketing campaign dreamed up to enrich lighter-skin-toned record executives.
The "appeal" of this "machismo" culture is not new. It was not even new in ancient Greece.
Television and movies and music do not make people violent. People have been violent for centuries without any assistance whatsoever.
because they are generally poorer..
Total "poor" in the United States is only 13% of the population (LEAVING 87% "NOT-POOR").
And of this 13% (43,030,000), the single largest sub-category of 24% (10,327,200) are identified as AMERICAN INDIAN/ALASKAN NATIVE. [LINK]
or maybe you are saying white racism causes thug culture?
Lighter-skin-toned fans buy "thug culture" products. I would imagine that "racism" would actually cut deeply into the popularity of such things.
AND don't forget about "mafioso culture" products and "super villain" products and "serial killer" products, which are apparently HARMLESS.
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@Mharman
Did I say they were? Don't put words into my mouth. I would say those characters have their pros and cons.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Do you support banning all popular portrayals of outlaws, criminals, rogues and vigilantes?
What do you think is an appropriate response to such things?
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@Dr.Franklin
Faith is inherently good
Faith in faith(?)
Is faith in NANABOZHO also "good"?
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@bmdrocks21
You can’t even have the same outcomes from children of the same parents, but then they want to compare two genetically different groups with essentially antithetical cultures?
RICH = BRIGHT
POOR = DIM
The "racism" is a red herring.
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@lady3keys
Really? Wow. You are describing poverty not cultural or racial characteristics.
Well stated.
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@Greyparrot
48 percent of non-Hispanic black women get pregnant before age twenty. Of this group, 97 percent are unmarried and have little recognizable means of financial or emotional support. Less than 23 percent of fathers remain in the lives of the child, or offer any financial assistance. Sadly, more than a quarter of teen mothers will be pregnant again less than two years after giving birth the first time.
POOR and or neglected children (for example with a working single parent) are much more likely to engage is risky social behavior.
And once again.
What exactly is your proposed "solution" to this "problem"?
Do you perhaps believe that making abortion illegal will magically fix all of this?
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@lady3keys
And I also do not like serial killers, which overwhelmingly seem to be white instead of black.
And they also seem to get plenty of exposure in "pop-culture", but somehow that's "not a problem".
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@Greyparrot
Any attempts to integrate marginalized people into Western culture will be shut down with charges of "racism"
What's your proposal?
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@bmdrocks21
It doesn't seem to me that they even want to assimilate, and I wouldn't expect them to want to.
You seem to be ignoring the vast differences between "white" northern "culture" and "white" southern "cultures" and "white" eastern "culture" and "white" western "culture" and "white" "bible belt" "culture" and "white" "middle america" "culture".
Do you realize that there are 50 different states within the "United" States?
Do you realize that each one of these states has it's own set of "cultures"?
When you advocate for "assimilation" you sound an awful lot like THX1984BORG.
What is your preferred "solution" to this "problem"??
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@Greyparrot
Well if Trump is to be held against the Biden standard,
So, basically a naked dodge.
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@lady3keys
As for single parent homes with high-school dropouts, I don't understand your reference. Trump has been President for 4 years and there are still high-school dropouts. I very much doubt that the number of single-parent households would drop significantly no matter who ended up as President.
Well stated.
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@lady3keys
4) Integrate all people, of all colors (within the borders of the USA), into the American Republic, "Democratically Fair" Culture.. . . . . . with FREEDOM and JUSTICE for ALL!
BLIND JUSTICE
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@Greyparrot
So what is the solution,1) integrate Blacks into Western Culture?2) integrate Whites into African Culture?3) Maintain the status quo and blame the failures of hip-hop African culture on "invisible gaseous racism"?I'm guessing you will go with option 3.
Imagine for a moment that I murdered your parents while you were an infant.
You were raised in a ramshackle orphanage where you were you were forced to perform manual labor and denied access to education.
When you grow up and leave the orphanage, you learn that I killed your parents and took their land and possessions.
What do you personally think is "appropriate" to "remedy" this "situation"?
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@Greyparrot
Certainly not if you include Breonna Taylor, who was literally just asleep, with 2 other people that made obvious tragic lifestyle choices leading to their downfall.
I love it when you try to defend POLICE BRUTALITY.
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@lady3keys
It is the kind of racism that is embedded in our financial institutions, our standard business operating procedures and our UNCONSCIOUS biases --- you know, the kind we are not even aware of.
Well stated.
When the day comes where a poor person can win a case against a mega-corporation, without the assistance of another mega-corporation, on that day we just might be on the threshold of THE RULE OF LAW.
If justice is not blind, there is no justice.
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@Greyparrot
Nationalism is an aggressive push to melt the salad bowl.
So are you "pro-melt" (THX1984)?
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@n8nrgmi
you can't deny that black folks are predisposed to the hood culture much more than other races.
I'm quite certain that forming self-interested groups (clubs/gangs/organizations/corporations/governments) is most certainly NOT "skin tone" specific.
In 4 minutes and 56 seconds,
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@Mharman
I agree that hood/ghetto culture is bad for society.
And mutherflipping JAMES BOND and BATMAN is somehow "good" for "society"??
Please explain.
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@n8nrgmi
i grew up a poor white boy... but i was sometimes called a "prep". i dressed nice even with the cheap clothes i could afford, and i didn't act poor. when i was really young, i wouldn't have even known any different that i was poor. and i never played a victim card.
Good job. I'm impressed an orphan could even survive long enough to sew together scraps of discarded trash.
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@n8nrgmi
to the young blacks who act gangsta/ghetto... if you don't want to be treated like a stereotype, then dont act like one.
FEAR = RESPECT
Just ask a cop or a soldier.
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@n8nrgmi
the gangsta slash ghetto thing. even if not all blacks participate in it, they are still victims of it... it causes them to have less opportunity when businesses don't build in the ghetto, it causes white people to fear blacks more and take it out on the black folk who dont act up.
AND TO THINK, THEY WERE ALL SO RICH AND POWERFUL BEFORE WHITE KIDS STARTED BUYING THEIR RECORDS.
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@bmdrocks21
"hard work, Christian, family values"
Have you ever seen a "lazy" tribal culture?
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@bmdrocks21
Are you saying that glorifying thugs rapping about getting shot, doing drugs, and having a bunch of sex can have bad effects on children?Heresy!
MONEY = GOOD
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@zedvictor4
So which causes more problems for white folks? White racism or white culture itself?
Everyone must stop eating tacos and ramen noodles IMMEDIATELY!!!!
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@Mharman
I'm going to agree with grey here. I believe that culture is NEVER bound to any specific race.
Well, do you mean "skin tone" because there's only one "race".
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@Greyparrot
I really don't like the term "black culture" as you have people of all colors that are part of European culture and also people of all colors that are part of African culture.
I believe your account has been hacked.
You might want to change your password.
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