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@Snoopy
I'm saying that although your faith is placed in different things, we are both still referring to faith.
Logic and data =/= superstition.
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@Snoopy
If faith had no baggage, what would you have faith in? You may not follow the same faith, but you have the same kind of faith as a Christian or a Jew.
Confidence in hard data is not the same as faith in a bronze age superstition.
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@Stephen
Irrelevant to this thread. If you cannot defend your own claims or debunk mine, leave the fkn thread.
You're the one who brought up Saudi Arabian laws (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Are you proposing that we treat Saudi Arabia the same as you propose we treat Iran?
It's a simple "yes" or "no" question.
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@Greyparrot
Why can't you answer the question instead of the kneejerk whataboutism?
Please ask a specific question.
Countries that Currently have Theocratic Governments:
Afghanistan
Iran
Mauritania
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Vatican City
Yemen
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@mustardness
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
In a religious context, "faith" has a little more baggage than the dictionary (which is merely a reflection of common usage and not authoritative).
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@Greyparrot
Are you in favor of strictly sanctioning all autocratic governments?What part of "radical right wing theocracy" do you not understand?
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@Stephen
According to the country's [Saudi Arabia] interpretation of sharia, a married man who commits sodomy, or a non-Muslim who engages in sodomy with a Muslim, can be stoned to death.
Who would have thought you were such a big pro-homosexual human rights advocate!
Are you in favor of sanctioning Saudi Arabia?
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@Greyparrot
Whataboutism fail when you compare Theocracies to oranges.
If you refuse to explain why one country deserves sanctions and other countries do not, then you appear to be acting capriciously and without principles.
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@Snoopy
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You are ignoring your epistemological limits.Faith is not thinking that he can, but knowing that he will.
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@keithprosser
I remember being impressed that it didn't just press the point of "science is science is science".I just watched it again and I wouldn't say that episode got 'religious tolerance' right, but I think it did a fair job of portraying religious fanaticism. I suppose it did get relgious tolerance right in that it didn't extend tolerance to fanaticism, but things were left very unresolved at the end.
I think that your religious/cultural traditions should be durable enough to be compatible with scientific descriptions.
You can fill in your ontological choices on your own, for example "big bang = god(s)" or whatever you want to call it.
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@Snoopy
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
Not based on Quantifiable evidence. Faith is the exact opposite of a justified, evidence based belief.
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@keithprosser
There are people who believe gods exist (theists, deists), people who believe gods don't exist (non-theists, non-deists) and people who are uncertain if gods exist (undecided, also non-theists, non-deists).
If you're not a theist, then you're a de facto atheist.
If a belief is illogical and or has zero verifiable evidence, then it is perfectly fair to say, "it does not exist" (non-Quanta).
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@Snoopy
Normally you need faith to act reasonably upon sound evidence.
You are conflating "faith" with "confidence".
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@Mopac
My faith isn't blindly following scraps of paper from the middle east. We are a living faith with Holy Orders and active Monasticism.Our faith is Truth worship. Something you don't understand because in your mind it is "Oh no, anything but that."And you certainly aren't judging rightly.No, the epistemological black hole comes from pride and false humility. It isn't that one in that situation doesn't know, it is that they know better. They know better than to even receive instruction, because if they can't know, no one can know!It is faith in one's own understanding, not faith in The Truth, which has long been scribbled away as some absurdity.
You don't seem to understand standards of evidence.
If you have sound evidence, you don't need faith.
And you don't need a book, or a church in order to know god(s).
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@keithprosser
Agnosticism =/= Theism
Therefore,
Agnosticism = Atheism (not theism).
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@Stephen
The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi) [LINK]
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@Greyparrot
Imagine a world when indoctrinated socialists realize that supporting a radical hard right theocracy country like Iran using whataboutisms as a justification is not a good idea.
Leap to conclusions much?
Nobody is "supporting" theocracy.
I'm simply pointing out that nearly everything "bad" you say about Iran also applies to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, India, Pakistan, China...
If you sanction one of them, you should sanction all of them.
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@Stephen
Islam is STILL Islam, unchanged, unaltered and still adhered to by millions of muslims to the letter.
This article summarizes the different branches and schools in Islam. The best known split, into Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, and Kharijites, was mainly political at first but eventually acquired theological and jurisprudential dimensions. There are three traditional types of schools in Islam: schools of jurisprudence, Sufi orders and schools of theology. The article also summarizes major denominations and movements that have arisen in the modern era. [LINK]
I believe you are conflating "islam" with "whahhabi".
The Wahhabi movement was created by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab in the Arabian peninsula, and was instrumental in the rise of the House of Saud to power. It is a strict orthodox form and a branch of sunni Islam, with fundamentalist views, believing in a strict literal interpretation of the Quran. The terms Wahhabism and Salafism are often used interchangeably, although the word Wahhabi is specific for followers of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab. Wahhabism has been accused of being "a source of global terrorism"[105][106] and causing disunity in Muslim communities, and criticized for its followers' destruction of historic sites. [LINK]
It may be time to hang up your BROAAD BRUUSH.
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@keithprosser
How Deep Space Nine Actually Gets Religious Tolerance Right [LINK]
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@keithprosser
That's the point - Tuvix makes it clear he doesn't want to be split but Janeway forces him to accept her decision anyway.
Janeway is a Tyrannical Psychopath.
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@keithprosser
I think the choice is obvious.I'm not sure,but I think Inwould have decided in Tuvic's favour.
Ask the new creature if it wants to be split into two individuals.
If "yes" then split 'em up!
If "no" then leave them the flip alone!
But really, with startrek level technology, they should be able to clone the thing and split it, or restore the transporter buffer for the other two and make as many copies as they want.
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@Dr.Franklin
The downing of a U.S. spy drone, the near-launch of military action against Iran and recent unclaimed attacks against nearby oil tankers in the last month have not only set off tensions in the Persian Gulf, but invoked memories of an even deadlier time in the two rivals' troubled history three decades ago when the U.S. killed nearly 300 Iranian civilians.
The U.S. and Iran have never officially fought a war but the two sides have engaged in bouts of violence since the CIA-backed coup that reinstalled Iran's monarchy [overthrowing their DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT] in 1953 and the 1979 Islamic Revolution that ousted that [CIA puppet] leadership for the current cleric-led government. [LINK]
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@Stephen
Tell me, would a so called "moderate muslim" call for the death penatlty for anyone performing homsexual acts? Yes or NO
In Leviticus 20:13 "The Bible" says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
Are you suggesting that Judaism/Christianity is "incompatible with the west"?
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@Mopac
I'd much rather be in an "epistemological black hole" than blindly following some poorly written scraps of paper from the middle east.
The whole point of skepticism is that any belief you have must have demonstrable efficacy.
You don't have to "prove it to the entire world", but you should be able to at least justify it to yourself without leaning on the crutch of "faith".
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@keithprosser
I watched it again today and it is unusual in being quite 'edgy' and avoiding a tv cliche feel-good and neat ending.
What if they were able to use the transporter (magic) to clone off the original two characters while preserving the new hybrid (to make 3)?
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@Mharman
Imagine for a moment that Russia, China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and the European Union all decided that the United States was "unstable" and should "denuclearize".Because we need a deal that's good for us. Here's an idea. They denuclearize, we remove the sanctions.
They cut off all trade and say, "just get rid of your nukes and we'll play nice."
Should the United States give up their nukes and agree to international inspections and ongoing monitoring forever and ever?
Why not?
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@Greyparrot
Cuba has no nukes. Checkmate.
Sanctions solve all problems. Try to keep up.
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@Stephen
...muslims as a race. It is ISLAM I have a problem with.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
So you're not TECHNICALLY RACIST.
You're merely DE FACTO RACIST.
Tell me, master hair-splitter, the difference between being "anti-muslim" and "anti-islam"?
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@Greyparrot
Sanctions do though.
And that's why Cuba is now a fun-loving democracy!!!!!!!
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@Mharman
Context? I don't understand why you are bringing North Korea up.
They were developing NUKES and broke the deal that would have stopped them, so the U.S. sanctioned the carp out of them and that totally fixed the "problem".
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@Mharman
I guess it worked out pretty well for North Korea.The reason the sanctions are here in the first place is because Iran (a country that can't be trusted with nukes) started developing uranium. The initial response of the Iran Nuke Deal was terrible, and swapping it for some sanctions instead is far better.
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@keithprosser
After the Doctor refuses to take Tuvix's life in compliance with the medical precept of doing no harm, Janeway performs the procedure herself and succeeds in restoring both Tuvok and Neelix.
This seems like a criminally reckless gamble.
Most of the time, the writers just make the "anomalous condition" temporary so it fixes itself at the end of the episode.
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@Greyparrot
Sanctions do though.
You've ended terrorism forever!!!!!
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@TwoMan
I'm not sure how I missed this the first time around!To say that one should be skeptical of atheism is tantamount to saying one should be skeptical of skepticism.
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@keithprosser
Was Tuvix murdered?
Or was it suicide?
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@Greyparrot
How many civilians have been killed by the U.S. military? [LINK]
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@Greyparrot
Shiite fighters directed by Iran helped battle the Islamic State after the militant group overran parts of Iraq five years ago.
Militia Fighter =/= Terrorist.
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@Greyparrot
Terrorism is basically free. That's the whole point of it.You sound like you speak from personal experience. Tell us what it was like to launch your 1st rocket at those filthy zionists.
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@Greyparrot
What's the point of using nuclear blackmail if Iran can't get the funds it needs for terrorism?
wHAT in gods name are you blathering about?
TERRORISM IS CHEAP AF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@ludofl3x
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [LINK]
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@Greyparrot
It doesn't matter what anybody said about the deal (supreme of not).
Iran was not in material breach of the deal.
There is no international law that says Iran can't develop whatever weapons it wants.
What you are advocating is a de facto world government.
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@Outplayz
Free will exists as far as you are aware of it.
Freewill exists as a Qualitative emotion.
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@Greyparrot
Who cares. Iran considered the agreement broken by America before Trump was elected.
You can make an agreement with someone and say "I don't really trust that guy" without being in MATERIAL BREACH.
Trump broke the deal first.
You can't get mad about Iran "violating" the deal when the deal has already been broken by Trump.
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@keithprosser
AFAICT your theory is that Muslims are members of a vast consiracy to take over the world (starting with Savile Town and Bradford). I don't go for that...
Isn't the implicit goal of EVERY RELIGION to "take over the world"?
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@Greyparrot
Read the previous post. Iranian leader considered the deal broken before Trump was elected.
But they didn't break the deal until nearly a year after Trump canceled it.
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@Stephen
You would also be hard pushed to find anything from me that could be called " anti-muslim"".
I'm perfectly willing to accept this might be the case, but you'll have to clarify your position.
As it stands, you definitely sound like you're standing in the middle of the street screeching "anti-muslim" over and over again.
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@Greyparrot
So you're saying Trump broke the deal, but somehow inexplicably expects Iran to stick to it?
You're making no sense.
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@Fallaneze
Atheism = Skepticism.Be skeptical of theism AND atheism. Too many atheists are skeptical of one only side, theism, and not the other, atheism.
You might as well be saying, "be skeptical of skepticism".
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@Greyparrot
It was never Trump's deal to begin with. It was Obama's deal. If Iran wanted a stronger deal, they could have petitioned the American Congress for one. Iran dropped the ball.
So you're saying Trump broke the deal, but somehow inexplicably expects Iran to stick to it?
You're making no sense.
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@Mharman
For weeks the left has been calling America an aggressor. Now, they will with have to accept that Iran is the aggressor or make the claim that Britain is also an aggressor. If they choose the former, they admit that they were wrong and Trump was right. If they choose the latter, they will have sided Iran over The Western World.The Ball is in your court, leftists.
Wait a minute, remind me who broke the deal first?
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