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@MAV99
Your part that says "NOthing can exist that is not OOC" contradicts your next point of "You cannot have two things that are both OOC."How do your other points above correspond witht the fact that your initial if-then syllogysm clearly indicates that everything is god?
every extant thing must logically be part of OOC
but each part is not the whole
in the same way that your finger is part of your body, but your finger is not your whole body
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@MAV99
Ok then! Give me your definition of atheism and a justification for the definition.
Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities.
atheism is the psychological state of lacking the belief that God exists.
ATHEISM is a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.
Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods. It is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about a person.
Theism is the belief in a god or gods. The prefix 'a' [in front of theism] means; 'without' or 'lack of'. Therefore, atheism means 'without a belief in a god
identifying someone by what they are not, would be like calling everyone on earth who does NOT collect stamps a non-stamp-collector
calling someone a non-stamp-collector does not inform you about any other aspect of that individual's personality
i like to keep it simple, ATHEISM = NOT A THEIST
everyone who identifies as something OTHER than a THEIST qualifies (all of the dictionaries implicitly refer to the term "god" in a theistic context)
of course, i'm more than happy to seek common ground with your own personally preferred definitions
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@MAV99
Out of itself... completely, as He can only make a whole copy of Himself always??? Absolutely not! That is defying common sense and the principle of non-contradiction.
it is impossible to "make a copy" of OOC
because you can't have two things that are both omnipotent and omniscient and the creator of all things
but
OOC can manipulate variations within itself
and each of these "things" is a small portion of OOC without being the whole
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@MAV99
without this omnipotent omniscient creatorNOthing has ever or will ever or can ever "exist" (in all conceivable senses of the word)Yes, I agree. This does not contradict what I am saying.
right, but this means that NOthing can exist that is not OOC, part of OOC, and animated by the will of OOC
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@MAV99
Either way, this particular part of the argument has no bearing on the main points I am making and it is also very quickly falling into useless semantics.
every argument is a semantic argument if you don't rigorously define your terms
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@MAV99
there is a common substrate
because an omnipotent omniscient creator of all things
would be forced to make everything out of itself
because NOthing else exists
and NOthing can exist outside of the omnipotent omniscient creator of all things
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@ebuc
do you agree OR do you disagree with the junkyard tornado argument as it is presented ?
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@Double_R
Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims.
atheism is merely a lack of theological belief
atheists are merely unconvinced by any specific theistic claim
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@RaymondSheen
Sceintifically you can't establish whether or not something supernatural exists.
logic tells us that any two substances that CAN interact in any way
must necessarily maintain a FUNDAMENTAL similarity
therefore, MONISM
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@RaymondSheen
Atheism is nonsensical because:a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.b) By definition falsifiable by the evidence. There are myriads of gods.c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.d) Atheism is really either just apathetic irreligion or sociopolitical frustration of a militant minority.
all humans are born atheists (lack belief in any specific theology)
belief in an afterlife emerged, followed by shamanism and ancestor worship
ancestor spirits or high gods who are active in human affairs were absent in early human societies
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@ebuc
3RU, please elaborate the points of the link in regards to inviolate cosmic principles and physical laws.
any and all things can emerge from astronomically large numbers of permutations
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@ebuc
No amount of hand waving, or parralle universes, or multiple universes, or bubble universes can ever alter this cosmic principle.
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@Double_R
Do you believe a president who appoints someone for cash to a high position is immune? Appointing someone is after all an official act.
it is common practice for large campaign contributor to receive ambassadorships
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@MAV99
they also are "non deists" if the whole point of the word is to say "no God"
but that's not the "whole point"
many people who call themselves "atheists" are deists and or pantheists or monists (like myself)
many people who call themselves "atheists" are apatheists (who simply don't care if any sort of gods exist or not)
theists love to oversimplify "atheism" into a single rare form of anti-theism which purports to make a claim that "there is no definition of god(s) that can qualify for any definition of exists"
i'd call this a very convenient straw-man argument
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@MAV99
"If God created us then He can interact with us."
in order for any two substances to interact or even detect one another in any way
they must have a fundamental similarity
some common substrate
therefore MONISM
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@MAV99
God does not exist the same way we do. This is why people call Spinosa a pantheist. He thinks everything is God.
without this omnipotent omniscient creator
NOthing has ever or will ever or can ever "exist" (in all conceivable senses of the word)
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@MAV99
I have a free will.
the only logical way for your will to be free from the universal causal chain
is for it to be randomly generated
do you believe your motives are randomly generated ?
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@MAV99
Here is the problem with that: It excludes the fundamental aspect that makes us human, namely the soul.
my car and my dog also have a soul
prove me wrong if you can
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@Sidewalker
Here's an idea, let them deal with their life, and you deal with yours.
bingo
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There are two and only two genuine solutions:
you forgot solution number three
don't look up their skirts
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@ADreamOfLiberty
the issue was created to get attention. It worked,
i guess that means you're playing right into their hands
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Those are not delusions. Saying someone without a ovaries has an ovulation, that is delusion.
saying that jesus loves me and takes a personal interest in my life is also delusion
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It wasn't a slippery slope argument. It was just an implicit false premise.
so just to be clear
you're arguing that there will be an apocalypse of suicides if we don't get this gender identity thing "under control" ?
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@Mall
From what you said, will this get rid of the dysphoria?
if someone is comfortable being trans, just leave them alone
being trans is not automatically a "problem to solve"
if they want therapy because they are personally dissatisfied with their body
then by all means, let them get some therapy
but maybe make it available to everyone
because trans people are very very low on the scale of "dangers to society at large"
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Trump demanded a trial
ok, now we're back to trump
yes, i agree with you, this is a dangerous precedent
but it's too late for anyone to back-down
the courts are a joke
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@ADreamOfLiberty
C) Families being broken up by a disagreement over gender identity
the number one cause of families breaking up is FINANCIAL STRESS
maybe try tackling that one first
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@Mall
Figure out how to solve gender identity dysphoria. Let us know.
leave them alone and let them do what they want
offer them the same protection from harassment that everyone else has
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@ADreamOfLiberty
B) People (especially children) being sterilized and then later realizing they wanted biological children and can barely attract a mate much less pass their genes on.
do you believe parents should be allowed to make life and death decisions for their own children ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
A) People attracting homosexuals, then rejecting them because they claim to be heterosexual (even though they are in reality seeking a homosexual relationship)
who gives a fuck ?
straight people get mad about getting rejected by STRAIGHT people all the time anyway
they've even fought wars over it
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That in no way disproves the assertion that delusions are problematic.
there are thousands of delusions that are demonstrably MORE problematic than what pronoun someone personally prefers
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@ADreamOfLiberty
No, I used the holocaust in an ad absurdum argument to disprove the premise that "If a thing occurred before an event, that event could not increase the frequency of that thing (or make it worse etc...)"If that premise was true we could discard the holocaust, after all people have been murdered for being jews since there were jews.
jesus, ok, you just jump straight to "holocaust" every time you encounter a pretty standard "slippery slope" argument ?
ALSO,
i don't think anyone was suggesting the gender thing "will never increase in frequency"
i think the general argument here is, TRANS PEOPLE DREAM OF LIBERTY
you know, to dress however they feel like dressing and talking however the fuck they feel like talking and telling you what they look like naked if and when they feel like telling you what they look like naked
i still don't know why the hell anyone would care
they just want normal individual LIBERTY, do you know what i'm talking about ?
do you want the cops to tell you what clothes you can and can't wear ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
No, it's as long as you connect the so called crime to your territory or people no matter how many steps or how tenuous the connection.
is this west virginia thing based on a real case or are you just making this stuff up on the fly ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Do you know where Trump was when he called Raffensburger? Do you know where Germany is?
do you know where the contract was signed ?
A jurisdiction clause, also known as a choice of law or forum selection clause, is a crucial provision often included in commercial contracts. It establishes the jurisdiction or court that will have the authority to resolve any disputes that may arise between the parties involved in the contract. This clause plays a significant role in defining the legal framework within which contractual issues will be resolved.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's not who votes, but who counts the votes.
what are you talking about now ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Judges decide jurisdiction, and if a West Virginia judge be he/she federal or state level decides to allow a case to be brought in his/her court, it will proceed.
judges also have jurisdiction based on GEOGRAPHY
please provide an example of this arbitrary and capricious behavior you seem so convinced of
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@ILikePie5
A court can deny jurisdiction arbitrarily.
you're talking about a conflict between state and county jurisdiction
or more often, federal versus state
the larger jurisdiction usually takes precedence
although it can get a little complicated on an indian reservation
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The growth curve is identical to a contagion.
i wouldn't worry too much about it
i can pretty much guarantee you're immune
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I proposed nothing. I answered your questions.
you said gender dysphoria is like the holocaust
which strongly indicates that EITHER
(1) you think trans people are going to kill everyone
OR
(2) you think non-trans people are going to kill all the trans people
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@ILikePie5
I’ll answer your question. It’s subjective. You can find jurisdiction where they let you
maybe if you cross a border
but in most cases it's perfectly clear
as long as you know WHERE the crime was committed
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You didn't answer the question.
the question answers itself
do you know what a state is ?
do you know what a county is ?
do you know what a city is ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Who decides jurisdiction?
jurisdiction of a state is within the borders of that state
jurisdiction of a county is within the borders of that county
state police enforce the laws of that state
county police enforce the laws of that county
city police enforce the laws of that city
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@Greyparrot
Thankfully, Biden's foreign policies weaponizing the US dollar is destroying the global reserves on the dollar,
bingo
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Ah, so if West Virginia makes a rule, they have standing.
within their jurisdiction
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@MAV99
Define "influences"
I mean the single entirety, or total, or whole, of that which the reader has in their conscious and unconscious mind and body in any sense.
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Argument: God is a crutch to lead a happy, good meaningful life.hidden argument. It is possible to live that type of life without Godthe reality. You can't lead a good life, with or without God. You benefit off of the violence that keeps society safe, you likely eat meat that harms animals, you likely wear clothes and most clothing factories have very horrible working conditions involving almost slavery but certainly child labor. You have a carbon footprint. Your food, gas and living condition is affordable due to exploitation of the less fortunate. If you think you are capable of living a good life, you are wrong. Jesus is there to forgive your evil life not to help you lead a good one.
well stated WyIted
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@FLRW
Our universe could have popped into existence 13.7 billion years ago without any divine help whatsoever, researchers say.
clearly
god is the proper name of the big bang event
the big bang is god
containing all energy
containing all information
it qualifies as omnipotent
and omniscient
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So no harm needs to be quantified?
the maker of the rules has automatic standing to enforce the rules they make
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@ADreamOfLiberty
also, your metaphor is seriously "self-genocide" ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
which is a reaction to social stigma
are you proposing we remove social stigma in order to "save lives" ?
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