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Lol. Good thing we have as many records of illegals crossing the desert as we do in Airports. oh wait...

Of course of the Millions of illegals many sleeping on the ground or in tents in California...half of those came by LAX of course. Huh.

In any case whether it's 500,000 or 500. Build the wall. Maga.

Better the country dies. You are right. Nothing but trash and white devils anyway.

What do you have after 20 years of experience?

A memory of an experience of 20 years.

In your OP you said "you get the memories of 20 years in a state penitentiary." Here you say "an experience of 20 years". That's not the same thing. They must actually experience the punishment, not merely have a memory of it. 

Yeah I am not here to read books. Better fence. I have guns. I said nothing about taxes.i should be ok with slavery to pay less. Are you fucking serious? All for it. Fuck Canada.

God's uncreated energies permeate creation.

What would you consider to be compelling if you saw it for yourself? 

no wall or fence is going to be so cheap that you can cut through it with tin snips.

and the walls trump was proposing go into the ground to greatly reduce those who try to tunnel.

so do you think zero percent of potential crossers will be deterred from trying to cross a wall? throw out a percent, i'm curious.... what percent of people will be deterred from a wall? 

if all a person was worried about was mexican stealing jobs, the better alternative to a wall would be enforcing the law with teeth, that says employers must check citizen status before hiring. 

Did you read the Yahoo story? What did you think of that? I thought it's the best apparition story i've seen. Usually i'm very skeptical of claims that are made into stories bc i think the person is out to gain fame or money, but this one just doesn't fit that bc i doubt the mom would lie about her dead son. Furthermore, it was the best comment section i've seen in regards to spiritual experiences. Usually you have to search through the comment section to find these stories. This was back to back. Wouldn't you say the stories are compelling evidence to suspect something is going on?

So God is certainly omnipresent. It can really be no other way.

Some will always get through. I honestly don't care if people come here to work.Granted lately people in my area are loosing jobs to illegals. Something we never had before. My problem is that once in they get all kinds of services, get jobs because they can be paid less, less benefits. American workers can't compete not because of work ethic but pay scale and benefits. 

If workers were registered, tracked, force to be paid American wagers and benefits instead of being the new slave labor I would have no issue. What ticks me off is dems don't see that they are using illegals for slave labor. Whether some rich person using illegals for lawn work, or Trump using Chinese labor both are avoiding paying Americans to keep their wealth. 

I hate hypocrisy,. 

if a hundred people were going to cross the border but there's a wall there, how many do you think will find a way across anyway? i assume a significant amount won't even try. 

I suppose the idea us that if some of the bible is true it gives a bit more credibility to the rest.  

But it's rather like saying because there is a Baker Street(*) in London Sherlock Holmes must be real.

(*There is, but no 221b, apparently.)

I am not really arguing with you at this point, I just thought you might be interested to know that what you are saying might not be too far from what we understand in Orthodoxy.

So I am giving you a baseline to look more into it.

Uncreated Energies and such.

People are at their most reliable shortly after being slammed into the ground from 2000 feet.  I'm surprised major head trauma isn't compulsory for witnesses in murder trials.

Why pay for men and women to in harms way when a wall is not a human life at stake. Why pay a salary for guards and drone operators when the wall is a one time costs? 

Nothing wrong with as strong a border as we can get.

If borders don't matter I can sleep in your yard and crap on your porch.

Do you think declaring "walls don't work" because you hate walls is Cognitive Dissonance?

the precedent he is setting is that for anything a president wants, all he has to do is shut the government down until he gets his way. 

You might find this interesting as an introduction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence%E2%80%93energies_distinction

But if all of creation was wiped out, a piece of God certainly would not be missing.

It is more of an argument that everything comes from God. All the information in the universe doesn't equal God.

It certainly is an argument for Monotheism.

My mind instantly goes to recent studies of the relationship between rape and porn, finding that as the availability of porn increases, incidence of  rape decreases.  That makes sense to me.  Rememory technology could certainly be used as a kind of super-porn.  What I don't know is whether satisfying criminal fantasies generally decreases the criminal impulse.  

Although violent crime is down, I don't think the increase in first person shooter games can take much credit- in fact, mass shootings which more closely resemble first person shooter experience are up.  Would allowing an individual with a mass-shooter impulse to live out a Columbine program decrease that individual tendency towards an actual mass-shooting? I don't know....my gut says probably not: rape has an inherent denouement that mass-shooting lacks.

Certainly, virtual theft does nothing to increase one's actual fortune but then few enough thefts are the result of urgent need.

If Rememory were common enough, perhaps the withholding of virtual experience would be a sufficient deterrent.  Imagine we lived in a world where you worked one day IRL and then you went home to your Rememory bed to enjoy another year on your luxury space station with Scarlett Johansson.  Wouldn't you be less likely to endanger the life you value by committing crime on your one real day each year?

I know God exists because The Ultimate Reality exists, and there is no other alternative that can even be entertained.

I am neither arguing on the basis of age or popularity.

You of course understand that these would be fallacious arguments.

It is the smug attitudes that pisses me off. 

In any case, look at this story i'm reading this morning. The story itself is pretty convincing it's not a fake, but more importantly... read the top comments. Experience after experience, and literally only one needs to be true for the implications to be wild. 

Istar and Kali are not the same goddess. Not sure what any of that has to do with this conversation other then you wanted to show you can do links. 

Here is one that is far more appropriate owlcation.com/humanities/How-Zoroastrianism-shaped-the-Judeo-Christian-concept-of-God 

Istar and Kali are not the same goddess. Not sure what any of that has to do with this conversation other then you wanted to show you can do links. 

Here is one that is far more appropriate owlcation.com/humanities/How-Zoroastrianism-shaped-the-Judeo-Christian-concept-of-God 

What does zoroastrianism have to do with Gilgamesh?

Or are you trying to point out that there are people who still practice a really old religion? Because if you are trying to do the later, no one disputes that people practice really old religions.

They made a movie about that right? Clockwork Orange?

I agree and I also think our present penal system often strives to achieve just such an effect.  In the deep routine of high security prisons, the days must seem particularly invariable.  It has been shown that solitary confinement has severe mental and psychological effects on prisoners.  

Charles Dickens, who visited the Philadelphia Penitentiary during his travels to America, described the "slow and daily tampering with the mysteries of the brain to be immeasurably worse than any torture of the body"

Quit being  bigots and I can quit saying it. 

Because there is no church of Gilgamesh that stretches back to antiquity.

At best, maybe some neopagan nerds have fabricated a mock religion in recent times that they certainly wouldn't die for.

but once you start saying with certainty you know what that is, you're just another human trying to be better than other humans and get very human emotions of feeling right. The true reality of things could be... there is a god for every single person.

You are an idiot bigot

Yet Jesus left a church, and it exists even to this day.

Insufficiently severe.

How about giving them 20 years of memories of living in a stable 2 parent family surrounded by people that love them and push them to better themselves.

I said perceived as wasted. Any tech that can download years of experience will be perceived as essentially life extension: users get to experience more life than non-users.  Whatever the actual cost savings, the electorate seems pretty likely to begrudge prisoners that extra life.  The electorate would be more likely to expect prisoners to lose actual experience, lose some portion of their actual life and therefore require actual jail time.  Extra life would likely be seen as a premium reserved for the lawful.

I do like those movies.  "Until the End of the World" is one of my favorites- where people can record their dreams and play them back but the effect is incredibly addictive. "Brainstorm" is another good one.

I'm thinking you could make the experience both safer and more cruel by making the prisoner relive the same super-dull day over and over again a la Groundhog Day.  I doubt any democratic govt. would allow traumatic programming- stabbing, rape, etc but I can understand how trauma without physical harm might appeal to sadists.  We might also consider  the possibility of forcing convicts to experience the victims perspective relevant to their crime.

If you had a choice between Hell and nothingness, what would you choose?  Knowing it is the wrong choice, I would probably choose even eternal torture to the total cessation of experience?  I'm thinking yours is essentially the same question except on a smaller scale

What's your IQ? I bet it's 138! Sooo close to genius, but yet not quite there, because of your HUMBLE nature

I said piss off

It is because atheists like to pretend they are more intelligent than theists, when in reality, they are simply insecure,and know they are not. 

So PISS OFF and get therapy for your insecurity, you all need it.

Again who said it did. 

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, do you mean that the Gospels don't account for those teachings? granted, Christianity as a whole is severely fragmented and much of its dogma is a mess but the term Christian means to follow the teachings of Jesus ..which would come from the Gospels.