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@oromagi
Yes, a National Academy of Sciences paper  a good example of a non-stupid, non-corrupt contradiction to Dream's ad hom.   You can object to that assertion all you want but given the National Academy's reputation and  their paper's relevance to the subject,  I'm more likely to prove persuasive .
except that the paper you quoted contains demonstrably false claims
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  • If we're using Open Source on Pi Raspberry for everything, wouldn't it be fairly simple for some voting administrator to load some remote sharing software?
how are they going to fake the receipt that the voter takes home ?

how are they going to fake the receipt that goes into the lock-box ?

the transaction is verifiable on the blockchain

if it is entered incorrectly, by remote control or by any other means

and if the receipts don't match the blockchain contract

then it can be flagged by election officials

the entire system is transparent

the blockchain records ALL modifications entered into it
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@oromagi
  • Doesn't high volume significantly increase the cost and decrease the process time of block chain transactions?  Would a national one-day event overload the system and drive up the costs?
One of the main reasons for the upgrade is scalability. The current Ethereum network can only support around 30 transactions per second; this causes delays and congestion. Ethereum 2.0 promises up to 100,000 transactions per second. This increase will be achieved through the implementation of shard chains.
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@oromagi
  • If voters can prove how they voted from their phone, doesn't that increase the opportunities for coercion and vote-selling?  Say, Milo Yianopoulos goes onto a traditionally liberal voting campus and puts the word out that he'll give $20 to anybody who can prove they voted for Trump?  How would we detect this kind of vote-selling?  Say an abusive husband demands that his wife prove that she voted for Trump when she comes home?
all of these "frightening scenarios" apply equally to the current "mail-n-ballot" system

but they apply less to the proposal under discussion

the printed receipt would be on a regular piece of paper printed with a regular laser printer (so no specialized equipment would be needed for either printing or scanning)

these could very easily be faked

anybody could look up any vote on the blockchain

and print a receipt of that vote

and claim it is their own vote
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@oromagi
  • If power outages and DoS attacks can substantially suppress voting what's to keep Roger Stone from calculating exactly which Democratic strongholds need to be out of service in Wisconsin and Georgia for a couple of hours to guarantee a MAGA win and then ordering some DoS or well-timed transformer explosions?
this "problem" is not specific to blockchain voting

any infrastructure failure is going to affect the "current system" and any "proposed system" equally
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@oromagi
  • Say Greg Abbot is your Governor and the power goes out for a week when it gets cold and election day is cold?  Is there some kind of back up system or do we have to wait for the power to come on for these voters to vote?  If the power is out past the election day deadline are these voters denied the right to vote?
the current voting machines already have batteries and or generators for power backup

and obviously paper ballots could very easily be used in "emergency" special cases

of course

if you end up with a "hurricane katrina" situation, i'm not sure getting to your local polling place is going to be at the top of your "to-do list"

but that has nothing to do with blockchain voting
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@oromagi
  • Would you mail voters their token code in plain text, non coded form?  or would you eliminate vote by mail?
registered voters could show up in person at some point, any point really, to present their credentials and be randomly assigned one of the official e20 tokens from their local election authority

and at that point they could vote from anywhere on the planet with their unique code and also verify their vote online
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@oromagi
 you don't understand that an appeal to authority
both parties must first agree on AXIOMS

one of those AXIOMS is the question of "what qualifies as an authority on this particular subject ?"

you seem to simply ignore the person you're talking to and instead simply DECLARE that what you personally consider an "authority" is basically "unquestionable"
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@oromagi
  • Wouldn't it be true that any election official with access to the secure lockbox would be able to check voter's ballot?  Would that kind of vulnerability violate voters' Constitutional right to anonymity?
the receipts do not have any personal information about the VOTER

only the time stamp and the polling place and of course, their actual vote in plain-text
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@ADreamOfLiberty
argumentum ab auctoritate
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@oromagi
I thought all the early white papers and sales pitches  on cryptocurrency promised anonymity.
citation please
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@oromagi
1.) People who don't understand the technology and distrust those who do.
2.) People who fear democracy, and deep down know their interests and ideals are best served through fraud

and The National Academy of Sciences is so obviously neither.  
are you familiar with the concept of "institutional inertia" ?
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nearly a quarter of all known scams involve some form of crypto
So, do you agree or disagree with Dream's claim that  with blockchain tech you can have a secret ballot which is auditable by anyone with a computer and where the only method of fraud requires a conspiracy to issue false vote tokens, and that conspiracy could be detected by sufficient surveillance.

Is it secure enough to guarantee anonymity?
it's a transparent system

the elections board or their representative could create an e20 token for each registered voter in their district

only the creator of the tokens can issue more tokens and everyone can see how many tokens exist

and they cannot be faked

basically what NFTs are

these tokens would be randomly assigned to voting machines (not people) across the district

then, election officials could verify the identity of voters IN PERSON at their POLLING PLACE

and they would vote on the voting machines, that are NOT customized secret magic proprietary machines

just normal raspberry pi computers running open-sourced, publically reviewed elections software

and they would assign a token for each vote - that contains all of their votes in a single token, RCV and all for all races eligible for that time and place

they would get two printed receipts - in plain text, with the token code and all their votes in readable, non coded form, so they can review them immediately and speak to an election official onsite if they made a mistake

one receipt would go in a secure voting box

the other could be taken home

and then they could check their vote from home or anywhere on planet earth by looking up the unique, non-sequential token code they were issued, that would also be time-stamped so they know it has not been swapped with someone else's vote

there would be absolutely no need for "ap news" and "bloomberg" and "msnbc" to constantly be conducting surveys about who voted what and who's winning what on the night of the election, because EVERYONE can just look at the data directly
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This statement is made from a profound ignorance of the vulnerabilities of the current system.
phenomenal
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@oromagi
P.S.  I also remember when Russian pirates were blackmailing all those companies including Colonial Pipeline in the Spring of '21 and hearing how the FBI was able to go into Russian networks and retrieve millions of dollars paid to the pirates in bitcoin- theoretically, that's supposed to be impossible but the US did it in like 48 hours, then they were able to trace the pirates and give the names to Putin who had them arrested in January.
nearly a quarter of all known scams involve some form of crypto

THIS MEANS THAT 75% OF ALL SCAMS USE EITHER CASH OR CREDIT CARDS OR BANK TRANSFERS

we should probably be suspicious of anyone using CASH OR CREDIT CARDS OR BANK TRANSFERS

we should probably also make a bunch of new laws restricting the use of CASH OR CREDIT CARDS OR BANK TRANSFERS

i mean, that would probably solve 75% of the "scam problem", right ?
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Andrew Tate's dying declaration upon being cancelled.
for example,

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@SkepticalOne
self ownership doesn't trump an individual human life which you brought into existence.
Actually it does. There is no right to use the body of another against their will because...self ownership. Absent consent, there is no circumstance where I can use your body and that applies across the board to everyone. 
bingo
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@oromagi
Democratic Voters

The Democratic voters have historically held an edge over Republican voters, and recent data shows that this data is still holding true. The number of Democratic voters is reported to be around 49 million. The Dems also carried the lion's share of registered voters in States that asked voters to declare affiliation with 36 percent of voters declaring Democratic affiliation.

What might be most surprising about those figures is that the second-largest reporting party affiliation was the Independent's, not the Republicans. That of course leads us to the next question regarding the number of registered voters by party.

Independent Voters

The number of people who identify with and declare themselves as Independent voters is second next to Democrats. What might be surprising to many people is that the overall number of people who claim affiliation with the Independent party is usually more than those who declare themselves as either Democrat or Republican.

The other impressive figure for those who declare as Independent voters are that 31 percent turn out for those States that asked for party affiliation declarations. This, of course, doesn't mean there will be an Independent uprising, but it does reveal the balance among the parties. [**]

why do you think you are REQUIRED to register a "party affiliation" when you sign-up to even qualify to VOTE ?

is it perhaps so officials can GERRYMANDER their districts ?

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@oromagi
 theoretically, that's supposed to be impossible
according to who exactly ?
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@oromagi
 In particular, if malware on a voter’s device alters a vote before it ever reaches a blockchain, the immutability of the blockchain fails to provide the desired integrity, and the voter may never know of the alteration.
HOLY GODDAMN FUCK

THE ENTIRE POINT OF A BLOCKCHAIN IS THAT YOU CAN VERIFY YOUR VOTE

IT'S A PUBLICLY AUDITABLE LEDGER

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BLOCKCHAIN AND SEE YOUR VOTE WAS REGISTERED AS YOU INTENDED

TRANSPARENT AND VERIFIABLE
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@oromagi
 In effect, I already have this system.  I keep one barcoded receipt and mail a barcoded ballot in.
and do you have some way of verifying if your vote was counted (and not rejected for "unmatched signature" or lost in the mail) ?

and do you have some way of verifying if your vote was registered with your selections and not modified somehow in transit ?
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@oromagi
Why do you have to have ranked voting to have two scannable receipts?
one does not require the other

RCV = IMPROVEMENT OVER CURRENT ELECTION SYSTEMS

AUDITABLE VOTING = IMPROVEMENT OVER CURRENT ELECTION SYSTEMS
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@oromagi
  • First you have to decide if you want voters to remain anonymous. 
On the other hand, compared to voting in person there are a lot fewer restrictions on someone else observing your vote or demanding verification that you voted the way that they wanted (from photocopying the ballot or taking a photo). Think of an abusive spouse demanding that their partner vote a certain way, parents with kids, “helping” elderly relatives, employers keeping tabs on how employees vote, unions, racist intimidation, or just providing the required evidence in order to receive straight up bribes.

The original motivation for the secret ballot in most democracies was more for these latter reasons than the election officials knowing how you voted or being corrupt. (Indeed, in the presence of sufficiently corrupt election officials, the secret ballot makes it easier for them to just fake the results because it's harder to prove that it wasn't counted correctly.) That's why many states also make it explicitly illegal to take a photo of a ballot in in person voting. Of course, all these things are illegal for absentee ballots too, but in a polling place election observers can make sure that voters don't take photos and no one else sees a voter's ballot before it's cast, but obviously it's much harder to prevent this at home or in any random place. So in a very real sense absentee ballots have fewer protections for anonymity. [**]
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@oromagi
it's not really that complicated

RCV actually REDUCES the number of elections because it ELIMINATES the need for PRIMARIES

you can have electronic voting that prints out two scannable receipts

one paper receipt goes into a secure box to be counted after the election as an automatic double-check

the other receipt the voter takes home

the individual voter cannot be identified by the receipt

but each receipt has a unique and non-sequential identification code

that can be VERIFIED by the voter by visiting the official elections web portal
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@oromagi
  • First you have to decide if you want voters to remain anonymous. 
STAR-Vote: A Secure, Transparent, Auditable, and Reliable Voting System [**]
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@Tarik
please link to "science"
Why can’t you just take what I said at face value?
"science" is the opposite of "taking something at face value"
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May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?
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@FLRW
However, His plan goes awry, and Genesis goes to inhabit the body of a Texas preacher named Jesse Custer.
great show
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@Tarik
what part of "lexico" qualifies as "science" ?
No part doesn’t mean it doesn’t agree with science.
please link to "science"
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Abortion is NOT Murder, and it is perfectly SAFE
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@Tarik
please provide an example of someone who enjoys abortions
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@Tarik
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@Tarik
please link to your personally preferred "scientific" definition of "person"
There’s nothing “personally preferred” about it because personhood isn’t a matter of preference it’s objective fact, but if you insist https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/person
what part of "lexico" qualifies as "science" ?

i've known a few lexicographers, and they simply survey editors of major publications

not exactly "science"
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@Tarik
clearly the ONLY reason to get an abortion is to avoid the raft of consequences associated with pregnancy

but NOBODY likes abortions

abortion is not a goal which anyone aspires to
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@Tarik
abortion is NOBODY'S preferred outcome
If that were true discussions like this wouldn’t be so prominent now would it?
do you know someone who ENJOYS abortions ?
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@Tarik
No legal system can define what is and isn’t a person, only science can do that, read a book.
please link to your personally preferred "scientific" definition of "person"
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@Tarik
do you understand how language works ?
Don’t try me 3, we’ve had numerous discussions before so keep that same energy please, you know how that works?
An orangutan named Sandra was granted non-human personhood rights in 2015 and has been moved from the Buenos Aires Zoo to a home in Florida. Legal personhood is not synonymous with human being. A "non-human person" refers to an entity that possesses some rights for limited legal purposes. [**]
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@oromagi
should elections be held to a standard of "proven safe and secure"

or simply

NOt "proven unsafe and insecure"
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@Tarik
Because you tried to distinguish humanity from personhood and in the same breath called personhood subjective, my quote proves that it’s OBJECTIVELY not.
do you understand how language works ?
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@sadolite
Where does it say when human rights begin? I also notice its says it doesn't matter if the birth is natural or induced artificially. Does it matter if a baby dies in the womb naturally or terminated artificially?  Viability outside the womb  seems to be a problem. My son was born 4 months premature. Should they have killed him because he needed assistance breathing? He would have died otherwise.
look,

abortion is NOBODY'S preferred outcome

and NOBODY is saying your choice to have a child, regardless of the medical complications involved, should be restricted IN ANY WAY

IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTIONS, DON'T HAVE ONE, IT'S YOUR CHOICE, IT'S YOUR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE
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@FLRW
If you, a friend or a loved one remain unvaccinated against COVID-19 at this point – for whatever reason – you are at higher risk for dying if you do become infected.
That's the conclusion of a report The Associated Press released looking at COVID-19 deaths during May 2021.
Of more than 18,000 people who died from COVID-19, for example, only about 150 were fully vaccinated. That's less than 1%.
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@sadolite
Um  The UN has no legal authority  and is not US law. I am talking about enforceable US law.  The UN and everyone in it  can go fuck themselves.
1 U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”“human being”“child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
(Added Pub. L. 107–207, § 2(a), Aug. 5, 2002, 116 Stat. 926.)

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But it did significantly reduce the degree of the transmission, since the people who had it kiled it off far faster, meaning they had less inside them to transmit.
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@PREZ-HILTON
if i were comparing roughly equal job applications, would you recommend i skip over the one with the more ethnic sounding name 
I was a hiring manager before. My technique was to hire everyone who applied and then just be quick to fire the ones who are bad elements. 

If you feel somebody is performing shitty though, just talk to them and ask them why. Maybe they are having a hard time at home. Maybe they are depressed. Maybe they are a drug addict. I try to get the person help or personally help them no matter what.

Statistics are useful for knowing what communities are facing problems so we can target that community for help. Black crime statistics mean a disproportionate of pullback people are victims of crime as well, so increasing policing in that community really helps the average black person.

In all seriousness. Even if in your business it takes a lot of money to train somebody. Even if they are shitty at interviewing. Make your decision based on how much effort they are putting into trying to get the job. If they are professionally dressed and well groomed. Hire them.

Don't let HR check their resume. If they lied, they can still be a great employee. Don't base hiring decisions on whether you personally liked them in an interview. Studies show that interviewing well is not correlated with job performance.

Keep that shit out of the work place. The work place is a solace from the divisive shit that occurs in the rest of society 
shockingly reasonable

so, what exactly is someone supposed to do (you know, in practical terms) if they accept that "black culture" is "toxic" ?
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@PREZ-HILTON
At the very least he knew it was most likely bullshit when he advised people in the beginning to stop wearing masks because they were ineffective. 
also, n95 masks with a valve on them, do almost nothing to filter out-bound particles (contradicting the mandate justification that "masks protect others")

also, those cloth scarves (neck gaiters / neck tubes / bandanas) can actually INCREASE the spread of disease

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@Greyparrot
Sam Harris confirms leftist conspiracy to defraud democracy
also,

the democrat establishment is NOT "leftist"
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@oromagi
FOLKENFLIK: Maybe. I do think you have to understand the context of the moment. Think of what happened in 2016. You had the Russian involvement in the leaking of hacked emails from Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, and that caused incredible havoc during the election season. And think, too, a bit later of the so-called Steele dossier that attracted a ton of press coverage. It was posted in full by BuzzFeed News, and it turned out that contained a lot of misinformation not about Hillary Clinton and Democrats, but about the conduct of Donald Trump.

SIMON: Hmm. Does that let off the media too easily? You wrote at the time that the mainstream press was right to be wary of the reporting at The New York Post.

FOLKENFLIK: And I still think so. I don't think it lets them off too easily. I do think, though, there are two important points I want to make here. First, let's acknowledge social media's role. A number of platforms tamped down on sharing of the Post's story. In the case of Twitter, not only did they try to block sharing of it, they suspended The New York Post's actual Twitter account for sharing its own article. That was a wild overreach, and even Twitter had to acknowledge that. [**]
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@TWS1405
ENOUGH WITH THE ANTI-WHITE NARRATIVE:
hold on, are you pro-freee-speeech or not ?
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@PREZ-HILTON
An unfortunate result of not being able to think 5 minutes into the future. There is a reason luxury brands target young black people.

There is a reason rent a centers and payday advance places are able to do so well in those areas. It wouldn't be possible with a group of people that can delay gratification 
if i were comparing roughly equal job applications, would you recommend i skip over the one with the more ethnic sounding name ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
you might also enjoy "Raised by Wolves"
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@Polytheist-Witch
American Gods
truly remarkable
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@sadolite
"Abortion is settled codified law" Is it really? I wonder why all the states are debating it since the supreme court sent back to the states to decide.
they basically gutted griswold v connecticut
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