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@Danielle
What I actually said is that capitalism is about the evolution of better processes and products
What I actually said is that capitalism is about the evolution of [MORE PROFITABLE] processes and products
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@Double_R
Semantics is using words to distort ideas in order to make it seem like a valid point is being made when it is not.
each and every person you meet
has a different viewpoint
they learned each individual word in a different order than you
and in a different context than you
we communicate in order to identify and then negotiate these differences in perception
this is why language evolves
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@Greyparrot
this seems to be a violation of "states rights"States shouldn't have the right to ban marijuana if a majority of the states want it legalized as commerce.
in the same way that a store owner should be allowed to refuse to do business with any particular customer
a state should be able to block trade with another state
for example
if one state hypothetically wanted to ban abortion
and another state manufactured abortion pills
they might refuse to do business with states they disagree with
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@TheUnderdog
The most feisable way to pay off the debt is higher taxes and lower spending.this claim is provably falseHow else do you plan on paying off the debt?
The money itself is borrowed-into-existence
There is always more debt than money in a fiat system
This means
It is always impossible to pay off "the debt"
explained in detail,
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@Greyparrot
Congress shall have the power to remove state restrictions on commerce provided it removes from all states.
this seems to be a violation of "states rights"
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@zedvictor4
As are the green Unicorns found on the Planet Zog.Which are actually independent, sentient, photosynthetic, horse like plants that absorb nutrients through their horn like structures.Strange but true.....Prove me wrong.
TINA (There Is No Alternative): Squashing critical thought by announcing that there is no realistic alternative to a given standpoint, status or action, ruling any and all other options irrelevant and any further discussion is simply a waste of time. [**]
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@Polytheist-Witch
Because they're referred to that way in texts
so, in other words, you kinda have to take their word for it
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@Double_R
It might make theists stumble over their words but that doesn't make it a good argument. It's just a sematic game.
every single person has a different definition of "god"
but each of those people think that their idea of "god" is universal
that's why the christians are happy to see "in god we trust" on their dolladollabillz yo
of course, they'd be even more happy to see "in YHWH we trust"
because that's what they actually think it says
just try to imagine living in a world where every piece of fiat is stamped with "in YHWH we trust"
kinda puts things in perspective
they love to ask "do you believe in god" without every realizing that there is more than one definition
and if you don't see how every single conversation you've ever had is "just a semantic game" then i have no idea what you think language is
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@sadolite
If god is a man, then yes he has a penis.
where is god's penis ?
if you haven't seen someone else's genitalia, don't you sort of have to take their word for it ?
why do so many people insist on calling their god a "he" ?
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@zedvictor4
And there's still no guarantee that you will end up with you preferred choice candidate.
RCV results in demonstrably BETTER candidates being elected
Local sovereignty (say at the county level) allows you to MOVE somewhere else if they have what you consider "better laws" (vote with your feet)
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@Double_R
Never before has a protest forced congress to evacuate the building.
protests have occupied government buildings before
i'm not sure why this particular building is any more important
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@Double_R
Please explain what pointing to one example cherry picked
i have no idea what examples you might consider relevant
feel free to present some examples at your leisure
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@Polytheist-Witch
Nice atheist definition. It ignores whole religions and theists but who is surprised.
what definitions do you personally prefer ?
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@Double_R
Someone who calls themselves a diest and justifies that label by calling the big bang a god is just an atheist in denial.
this is the best possible approach to a debate with a theist
all of their stock arguments against atheism
completely fall apart
if you call the big bang "god"
they cannot draw a straight line from classical deism to their own theistic belief
but it's fun to watch them try
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@Polytheist-Witch
There are theists who do not believe that any sacred text was written by a god. This is a fundamentalist concept. Not all theists believe gods interfere in human affairs. Deists do believe an entity was involved in creation. They are theists. If they're ashamed of that then they should call themselves atheists.
theist
ˈθiːɪst
noun
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
adjective
denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
Deism (/ˈdiːɪzəm/ DEE-iz-əm [1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/ DAY-iz-əm; derived from the Latin deus, meaning "god")[3][4] is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge, and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.[3][5][6][7][8][9] Or more simply stated, Deism is the belief in the existence of God solely based on rational thought without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authority.
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@Double_R
You have no argument whatsoever to defend the former presidents actions.
defend from what specific claim ?
you mean like this one ?
The claim here is that Trump intended for mob rioters to attack the US Capitol.
just to be perfectly clear, in my personal opinion, trump is a buffoon
however, organizing a protest of the vote certification is just a protest
and it was a protest that was much less "violent" than many other recent protests
this entire situation does not reach the bar of an "attack" or a "coup d'état" or an "insurrection"
it was just a protest
a political protest
For Example, "Paul Allard Hodgkins, the 38-year-old who pleaded guilty on Wednesday to a single count of obstruction of an official proceeding."
notice
the actual charge is not "treason"
the actual charge is not "attempted murder"
the actual charge is not "insurrection"
obstruction of an official proceeding
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@Athias
consent to receive or undertake (something offered).
give an affirmative answer to (an offer or proposal); say yes to.
receive as adequate, valid, or suitable.
regard favourably or with approval; welcome.
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@Double_R
I would say that's a pretty big difference, but that's just my opinion.
a deist does not ANTHROPOMORPHIZE the idea of "god"
an atheist might say, "thebigbang" is the primary observable cause of everything we can perceive
a deist might add, some people call the "thebigbang" "god" (and that literally changes nothing)
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@Athias
one can still be considered "poor" without being "desperate"
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@Athias
Define, "accept."
accept
əkˈsɛpt
verb
consent to receive or undertake (something offered).
give an affirmative answer to (an offer or proposal); say yes to.
say yes to a proposal of marriage from (a man). dated
receive as adequate, valid, or suitable.
regard favourably or with approval; welcome.
consent to receive or undertake (something offered).
give an affirmative answer to (an offer or proposal); say yes to.
say yes to a proposal of marriage from (a man). dated
receive as adequate, valid, or suitable.
regard favourably or with approval; welcome.
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@Double_R
An atheist says "I don't know how the universe and all of existence came about, let's try to find out"A diest says "agoddidit"
how many self-described deists have you met ?
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@Double_R
an atheist says "stop praying to your god, it's a complete waste of time"
a deist says "stop praying to your god, it's a complete waste of time"
an atheist says "stop reading your holy books and look around you to figure out how things work"
a deist says "stop reading your holy books and look around you to figure out how things work"
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@Double_R
But when it comes to their beliefs these are very different.
no, they are exactly the same
they just use different words to describe the exact same thing
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@Double_R
someone who believes in a god
someone who believes in a god that does not have human emotions
and that does not write down rules for humans
is functionally indistinguishable from an atheist
it's basically an ontological argument
BIG BANG = GOD
like in star-wars when they refer to "the force"
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@Danielle
I'm not hostile to rich white guys! The only one I hate is Bill Gates because he SLAUGHTERS PEOPLE. I completely agree with you. He's murdering right out in the open... have you seen what's happening in Africa? The "life saving vaccines" he's giving to people? Please. Liberals remain complicit in this mass genocide and won't open their eyes until it's too late. I've already went to my job's HR department to ask if we can uninstall Microsoft Office Suite before Bill Gates starts invading our brains and harvesting memories through Microsoft Word. People think it's an innocent little program to draft documents and spreadsheets. Oh no. It's part of his next strategy to kill everyone on the planet. I'm on your side.
zoiks
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@Polytheist-Witch
Lies. This is why theists can't stand to engage in conversation with atheists. You listen to nothing, you don't believe anything theists say about their own thoughts and practice, and then you make up your own mind about what we believe and don't believe.
please explain
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@Double_R
something that is not relavant to this conversation.
well, the topic is "atheism is simply a lack of belief"
so, "theism" and exactly how it is distinct from "deism" is clearly within scope
a theist believes in a god that writes books
a theist believes in a god who interferes in human affairs
a deist accepts a god that does not write books
a deist accepts a god that does not interfere in human affairs
a DEIST is functionally indistinguishable from an ATHEIST
and furthermore, obviously qualifies for a "technical atheism" if you understand "atheism" to mean "not-a-theist"
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@SkepticalOne
If it can be shown not all religions are true, then the proposition is not unfalsifiable. It is logically impossible for all religions to be true. The proposition is logically falsifiable
the specific claim "not all religions can be equally true" is a pretty weird claim
and even if it is "accepted", it doesn't get anyone anywhere closer to detecting which specific religion might be "truer" than another
especially when not a single one of them can claim any quantifiable "truth value"
there are vanishingly few claims that are quantifiably true
there are vanishingly few claims that are quantifiably false
everything else is pure, uncut OPINION
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@Double_R
theist
ˈθiːɪst
noun
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
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@SkepticalOne
Are all religions equally true?equally unfalsifiableI'm going to disagree with you. It is logically impossible for all religions and their competing claims to all be true. It follows from this - not all gods are true.
that means you agree with me
"unfalsifiable" does not equal "true"
"unfalsifiable" does not equal "false"
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@Double_R
Deists and pantheists are theists.
nope
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@zedvictor4
And GODS and religions have been an important part of the process of data development and associated material manipulation.
good point
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@SkepticalOne
Are all religions equally true?
equally unfalsifiable
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@Athias
Do social welfare transfers mitigate poverty? Does it serve your point if those who receive social welfare are still poor?
less poor is less wrong
more poor is more wronger
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@Earth
America and Canada should just form some sort of EU lite organization then.
NAFTA
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@SkepticalOne
That strikes me as odd. Default acceptance leads to outlandish and contradictory beliefs.
are all gods equally "true" ?
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@Athias
Proposition A: GRALISTROPE IS REALProposition B: GRALISTROPE IS NOT REALwhich do you accept and which do you reject ?I reject any claim of truth to proposition B, so I tacitly accept claims of truth to proposition A.
i don't know what exactly proposition A is
and i've lived my life perfectly fine up to this point without knowing exactly what proposition A is
therefore
even though i don't "accept" proposition B
i will continue to act as-if proposition B "is true"
which is exactly what i was already doing anyway
up to and until the hypothetical point in time when someone or something CONVINCES me that proposition A "is true"
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@Athias
Proposition A: GRALISTROPE IS REAL
Proposition B: GRALISTROPE IS NOT REAL
which do you accept and which do you reject ?
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@bmdrocks21
Voting is nice an all, but I can’t help but feel that uninformed voting is worse than uninformed people not voting. Some vetting would be nice, but I am going to wager a guess that expecting that voters should be able to read at an 8th grade level or pass high school or speak English is the “controversial” position
good thing we live in a TECHNO-OLIGARCHY
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@thett3
The best thing that can be said about the system is that it if it’s done well it truly does prepare you for the academic life of college and the twelve years of boring and humiliating grind prepares you for boring and humiliating office jobs, but if you don’t go down that track as most don’t I’m not convinced it was worth anywhere near twelve years of your youth
well stated
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@Double_R
Earlier you said uniformed people make bad decisions that impact everyone else,
well informed and highly intelligent people make decisions that benefit themselves
and often have a negative impact on everyone else
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@oromagi
If we focused law enforcement on illegal employers rather than illegal immigrants we'd make a major impact on that problem in no time. Much cheaper and easier to enforce. Put a few restaurant and hotel and golf course owners in jail for perpetuating illegal immigration, those opportunities will quickly dry up and the primary motivation for most illegal immigration goes away.
bingo
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@Double_R
I'm not going to sit here explaining how the scientific method helps us determine what's real.
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@Double_R
I'm not going to sit here explaining how the scientific method helps us determine what's real.
in the same way we don't believe in the existence of bigfoot
unless and until we are presented with empirically demonstrable evidence of the existence of bigfoot
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@Double_R
Proposition A is "a god exists". The opposite of that is "no gods exist", which is proposition B. So if one's rejection of proposition A = acceptance of proposition B, then ones rejection of proposition A = acceptance of its opposite.
one could very easily reject BOTH A & B
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@Athias
I'm not arguing that not accepting something = accepting the opposite. I'm suggesting that rejecting the truth of proposition A means accepting the truth of its inverse, proposition B.
the contention here is that "atheism" is not the ONLY alternative to "theism"
it's a false dichotomy
rejecting a false dichotomy does not imply one accepts "the opposite" of the false dichotomy
non-theism could be DEISM or PANTHEISM or MONISM or GNOSTICISM or even APATHEIST ("i don't care if a theistic god exists or not")
many of these people do not self-identify as "atheist"
but probably could still qualify for technical "atheism" if one understands "atheism" to be "not-a-theist"
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