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@Barney
Given that religion seems to the primary reason people care so much, I cannot offer any disagreement.
I think the pro life movement would be more successful if religion was put out of it. Religion scares pro choice atheists from the pro life cause.
To each their own. Hopefully I'm not a bad character, but I would find the following way more scary than a normal black weapon: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/645070346612989081/
I disagree but will like your comment.
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@sadolite
I'll assume you are for the giant nanny state where the producers are punished and the slack asses are rewarded.
No. I want cheap effective health insurance. Europe does it cheaper than us. I don’t support unconditional free college. I support small government on the military industrial complex.
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@zedvictor4
If you don't think the US gov will ever go tyrannical, what do you think of Donald Trump? The left views him as a tyrant to illegal immigrants. If illegal immigrants had AR 15s, then less deportations would happen.
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Biden belongs in a nursing home. If he gets the democratic nomination, I'm voting for Trump.
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@fauxlaw
<br>more than 15% of the population of the US, a pop of 330M people, is 65 and older. Within ten years, that number is expected to rise to at least 20%.
Similar numbers exist in Europe and they have it.
I'll make it real simple for you. I know you're young. I worked a forty-year career. In all forty years, I paid FICA taxes, and also had the benefit of my employers paying into FICA. Those taxes were continuous installment payments into my SS and medicare funding. Before retiring, over 90% of FICA contributions paid for those retirement benefits.
I'd fund UHC differently than Sanders. I'd want to abolish FICA and the Income tax and replace it with a sales tax and a capitol gains tax to pay for it.
The countries that your dedicated teaching staff tell you are thriving on a similar health care system as you propose are in the 20, 30, 50M population arena. Fewer people; lower costs.
Fewer people, less tax dollars to fund these smaller expenses. Even though we may have 6x the population of the UK for example, we have 9x the GDP. If they can afford it, so can we, especially since the private taxes under UHC are abolished; co pays, deductibles, premiums; it's all abolished and replaced with a smaller government tax, saving americans money.
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@zedvictor4
I might have to make my own forum for that. My fault.
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@Trent0405
but in most companies workers own an insignificant portion of the companies stock.
They can get more if they buy as much stock as what they are willing to invest into the company.
People who are pro worker owned companies want more employee stock ownership plans for example.
It should be up to the company. Lets say your daily wage is $100 and 1 share of stock is $100. If the company wants to pay you solely in stock, that's fine, if it's their choice. I wouldn't force it on any company and if the employee wants stock in their company if they work at Starbucks for example, then they can buy the stock on their own if they want it.
They may not know how, but I do think that schools should teach people how to invest so it enables the individual to get out of poverty and to own part of a business.
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@Barney
What are your thoughts on such being partly extended to pregnant women and newborns?
I think that religious institutions can pay for birthing costs instead of taxpayers since the religious institution doesn't care about money as much as taxpayers for the people who can't afford it. Mothers who have an unintended pregnancy are few and far between enough that if there are only a few of them for religious organizations to pay for, they could do it off of donations, which are also consensually given, as opposed to tax dollars, which are obtained by coercion.
Basically, I think the woman and newborn should get help, but not from the government. Also, once the kid is out of the womb, if the mother can't afford the kid or doesn't want the kid, it's what adoption is for.
I mean maybe pass a law that they must be painted a bright color to be less scary. 🤣
I want them to look scary so bad characters don't mess with you, or are less likely too.
but it's nice to chat with someone not looking for a fight.
I appreciate the compliment, but I don't know if anyone here is looking for a fight, although I might be wrong. I haven't read too much of what other people have been saying here.
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@Trent0405
If a worker wants to own part of a company, they can. They just have to buy stock in whatever company they want.
If a worker wants to own an entire company, start one from scratch as what captains of industries did. Less regulations would make this easier.
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@Barney
- I'm curious how beliefs in stripping women of their rights for the benefit of strangers (AKA "the unborn"), line up with investing in a border wall and a general anti-immigrant stance? After-all people who die trying to cross the border could live if given residence in the homes of citizens at the expense and against the wishes of said citizens.
- Stances against universal health care, which would raise the quality of life for any children forced to be born against the wishes of the mother, and likely make less women want abortions when there's not the up front cost of around $12,000 to give birth in a hospital.
- Gun access at the expense of life. Just universal background checks is estimated to be able to prevent over 1000 murders per year.
1) I support open borders on economic grounds. I'd ban welfare and abolish the counterproductive war on poverty, which has kept people poor.
2) I'm fine with medicare for all since it's cheaper than the alternative by 50%.
3) Background checks are fine. However, banning AR 15s would help enable a tyrannical government that would do way more damage than a few mass shootings here and there.
If you don't want to respond because of the other comments that you'd have to respond too, I understand.
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@zedvictor4
I flip on religion a lot, so I'd figure I'd say this:
God decides to ban premarital sex in the bible. Science much later confirms that premarital sex is bad for you on the grounds that it causes STD spreading.
If God doesn't exist, how did the bible predict it much before science confirmed that it was bad for you?
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@ethang5
There is no such thing as "the Christian God." God Himself has no religion.
I meant the God of the Christian faith.
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@ethang5
What evidence is there for the existence of the Christian God?
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@fauxlaw
I support medicare for all/UHC, but not on the claim that it is a right. It is merely cheaper than the private system by 50%.
Under a medicare for all system, the private taxes gets abolished. Copays; premiums; deductibles; all of that's abolished, it's replaced with a smaller government tax, and the individual saves money in the process because the middleman (the insurance company) is removed from the system.
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@ethang5
@ludofl3x
Lets not roast each other on grammar before points, k?
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@Seth
Religion doesn't really make sense to me.
-The bible contradicts it's self.
-There are so many other religions, it's almost impossible to figure out which is the right one.
-Christians don't really act like their christ, so if they are preying to do God's will, assuming God exists, then God is a terrorist. The West isn't truly christian in government. The West is secular. Sub saharan Africa is Christian.
-Agnostics and atheists get prosecuted worse in religious countries than devout Christians do in secular countries.
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@fauxlaw
In terms of politics, I learned more on the internet. In terms of mathematics, I learned more in the class.Observe the success of the internet shop vs. the brick and mortar.
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@Dr.Franklin
Encourage reading
It's a good idea, but since I'm not much of a reader, I'd be a hypocrite if I preached it to others. I'm better at Math though.
Encourage debate and acceptance of other opinions
I attend high school and most of the kids are accepting of other people's opinions. There are a few SJWs that aren't, but most people are fine. The battle of ideas is a battle worth fighting.
Have more recess
How would this work? I'd leave it up to the schools to determine how much recess their students get.
Have a wide variety of curriculum options for teachers to teach
This is going to cost money.
Stop having so much standardized tests
I'd rather have standardized HW than standardized tests. The results are more accurate and obtained through less stressful means. I don't believe in tests. HW is a better indication of how competent you are in a field since there is more data.
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@mustardness
I don't think humanitarian is an option. It's a liberal/conservative combination, and then a libertarian/authoritarian option.
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@Mister_Man
I thought you'd be in the same quadrant as I would. I guess surprises happen.
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I forgot my precise results, but I got in the Right-Libertarian quadrant.
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@Greyparrot
The thing is though, why reject refugees to begin with? Immigration is a good thing because it does wonders for the economy. Look at what it did to the UAE. They are much richer than Saudi Arabia in terms of GDP per capita and standard of living and the UAE allows for immigration whereas the Saudis don't I think.That's plenty of blame to spread these refugees around.
Open borders is small government.
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@zedvictor4
I would say that the military industrial complex needs to be contained.
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@ethang5
If you agree with open borders, then you should think a politician who stopped migrants from docking at your posts is guilty of a human rights violation.
I don't believe in jailing people that I disagree with. I'm pro open borders, but I'm also pro first amendment. I think that if Italy rejects migrants, then that is their prerogative, the migrants can come to the US instead under my plan to help improve our economy by getting jobs and by paying a sales tax and a capital gains tax as would everyone else, but no income tax necessary. They'll assiliminate with time.
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@ethang5
I support open borders, but jailing a politician who doesn't agree with me is fascist and anti 1st amendment.They are even trying to jail Italy's former Interior minister because he didn't take in migrants there by "violating their human rights".
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@zedvictor4
If you were referring to the Iraq invasion, I can see that. I thought you were referring to imperialism, which the US barely did compared to other European powers despite our size.
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Saudi Arabia and Israel. Lets not fight in wars. Our economy can't afford it and we've killed more innocents than ISIS did.
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@Seth
So you only understand socialism as indoctrinated to you by the right wing fascists of the absurd conservatives.
Even Bernie Sanders denounces Socialism and he has resorted to just wanting to make the US fiscally more like Europe, with medicare for all and free college, even though not all european countries have free college.
Socialism is a 100% tax rate and everyone gets the same UBI of the national average salary, so everyone has the same amount of wealth.
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@Salixes
Christians are more common than muslims. Catholicism is one type of Christianity. It would be more fair to compare catholic christians to sunni muslims. Muslims win here because they tend to reproduce more frequently.
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@Seth
Socialism is an attempt to help people. Conservatism is all about SELF.
Conservatism allows you to get an Iphone that you can use to take a picture of the breadlines and poverty that socialism creates.
Capitalism makes. Socialism takes.
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@HistoryBuff
How much kyle kulinski have you been watching? Not saying it in a bad way, but your sounding like Kulinski.
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@zedvictor4
Refugees are refugees and you cannot blame them for being angry, considering how we fucked up their lives for them.
How exactly?
And neither can we blame the Turks, considering how we fucked up their security.
How exactly?
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@bmdrocks21
How does taking in refugees help us?
They get jobs and from this, they would be paying a sales tax under my plan. If we are lucky and they invest too, when they sell the stock they would pay a capitol gains tax.
I'm sure Sweden would disagree with your assessment.
They have a rape epidemic there because they think it's racist to punish minority rapists. I think this claim by the Swedish government is bullshit. I think if someone rapes someone else, whether immigrant or non immigrant, the penalty should be life in jail with mandatory blood donations every 3 months to save more people.
Lets say your from Egypt, you come to America and you rape someone. You've completely destroyed that 1 life, and were partly responsible for the 2nd potential life destroyed in the form of an abortion. So 2 lives destroyed in the rare event that a migrant is a rapist. If this person gets jailed for life and has to give blood every 3 months for the rest of their lives when and if caught, assuming they live for 40 more years to where they can donate blood, they can save 320 lives. If they destroy 2 lives, but end up saving 320 lives in the process, I'd say that's a net gain of life saved. Also, the vast majority of migrants aren't rapists or murderers or terrorists. I'd say there are more migrants fleeing terrorism than actual terrorists in the migrant mix.
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@Vader
but these refugees are bad refugees from violent nations.
People are individuals. In the rare event that they are violent, like if they are rapists or murderers, deportation is too good for them. Jail sounds like a better and more effective punishment for the violent immigrants.
If Greece won't take the immigrants, the United States can so there are metaphorically more players on the American team, leading this country to continue to be the best country in the world.
E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one.
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@ethang5
Can you give me examples of 2 different definitions of pro-abortion?
Pro abortion:Wanting abortion to be mandatory
Pro abortion: Wanting abortion to be encouraged.
The mainstream left believes abortion should be allowed or discouraged, it depends.
Isn't pro-abortion the stance that a woman's unborn baby should die if she wants it to die?
This is the pro choice position, although I don't agree with it.
How is it not hypocrisy for one to demand that whether someone else lives or dies be determined by how you feel?
Because pro choicers tend to believe at least one of the two thesis:
1) The unborn is not a human for some reason.
2) The unborn's death, since it would be painless is not as bad as the woman being in pregnancy pain for 9 months against her will.
So a pro-abortionist can have a child when she wants, and kill the child when she wants, with no hypocrisy, but with a pro-lifer, the same decisions are somehow hypocritical?
I don't think either party should be allowed to kill a fetus, but they wouldn't be hypocritical if they believe it's okay. Once banned, they would be criminals and would face penalties, but the pro choicers wouldn't be hypocrites.
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@zedvictor4
What's the point of having loads of excess stuff, including money, that you don't necessarily need or use.
The rich either use the money to either make better products that many Americans enjoy, or they invest in companies that make things that many Americans enjoy. Taxing the rich too much prevents them from investing the money in ways that make them richer by making society a better place to live. If it wasn't for the 1%, we'd be living like the Amish since the 1% made all this technology that we benefit from and continue to do so to this day.
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It depends on the individual's definition of "pro abortion". If they didn't want people having kids and had them, it would be hypocrisy.
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@ethang5
I'm pro life, but very few people are pro abortion. If you had births yet were pro choice, that's not hypocrisy.Would you call someone a hypocrite if he was responsible for births yet is pro abortion?
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@ethang5
<br>And check the thread you're in. You might be confused.
I was calling Trump a hypocrite if he was responsible for abortions yet is pro life. I'd say there is evidence against Trump. I'm also not a liberal, given that I'm also pro life and a bunch of other right wing traits.
Trump dodged the question. Therefore, I think he did it.
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@HistoryBuff
I sent you a friend request, if you're interested.
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@HistoryBuff
Unrestricted capitalism is a cause of poverty.
This is true, but we need less restrictions. Some restrictions that I'd want to overturn are:
-I want to abolish the minimum wage.
-I want to legalize child labor in some instances (children shouldn't be operating heavy machines or other dangerous jobs, but what's wrong with them operating a cashier for instance on the weekends?)
-I'd want to legalize and regulate monopolies. Any concerns that come across with monopolies, there can be regulations for. If your worried about them selling things at a higher price, there can be a regulation for that. If your worried about firing workers or paying them low wages, I fail to see how that would happen solely from there being a monopoly. If it does happen, we can require that monopolies can't reduce their worker's wages.
You are arguing that we should take actions that will massively increase poverty
I don't think they would increase poverty. Abolishing the minimum wage for example, would get low income people to find better jobs now that they can't live off of the minimum wage. Once they do this and they find a better job, then in that job, they would be making like triple their current salary at least because the job pays better and then they would get themselves out of poverty. Multiply that on a scale of millions, and poverty is basically gone in the US.
Why can't they find a better job if their current one doesn't pay as well? If it's because they don't have a college degree, that's fine. There are so many jobs out there that pay very good salaries that only require a HS degree to actually do that if low income people knew where to look, then they would be out of poverty.
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@ethang5
I think Trump paid people to get abortions before.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-pay-8-women/ states the following:
Given [Trump’s] draconian comment [about] sending women back to back alleys, I had to ask: When he was a swinging bachelor in Manhattan, was he ever involved with anyone who had an abortion?
“Such an interesting question,” he said. “So what’s your next question?”
It was a simple question that Trump dodged. I think he was involved with someone who had an abortion. He was pro choice before, he probably told her to get an abortion and she did.
If your pro life, I think you should turn on Trump. I did.
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@HistoryBuff
To actually solve the core problems they would need to undermine the economic interests of their campaign donors, and very few politicians would ever consider doing that.
Although I don't want our politicians bought, we need to get the government out fiscally if we wish to reduce/eliminate poverty.
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@HistoryBuff
n8nrgmi didn't say that here.Bloomberg is so bad both parties hate him.
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@ethang5
A few questions:
1) Would you ban medical weed? If so, how would it be punished?
2) Would you ban recreational weed? If so, how would it be punished?
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@bmdrocks21
Seems out of character for PETA since they made multiple articles about how they want you to own pets.
However, when I'm 18, I can ask PETA about this incident.
It's possible to be pro vegan and anti PETA, just as on abortion, it's possible to be pro life and against the march for life, which I am because they put religion into abortion too much. If PETA focused more on getting people to be vegan and less on the other issues, and if they didn't kill animals themselves, then I would support them.
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@Mopac
Don't monks take a vow of silence? I don't know how Monks do it.
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@zedvictor4
Perhaps a war on greed would be more pertinent.
Saying the rich should pay huge sums of money to help the poor is like saying that we should pay huge sums of money to help places like Africa. Yet should the government force us to donate money to poor places like Africa, India, and Latin America? No. If you think they should, then led by example and donate like 20% of your income to these poor places. Charity is fine. But the government forcing you to do involuntary charity is a problem because it lacks your consent.
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