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@n8nrgmi
<br>if a disease causes you to cough, and a pill makes the cough go away, it's still a good thing even if the disease is still present
True, but should other people have to pay for that pill? Or should you pay for it yourself? Assuming the pill was like food, to where I don't know anyone that wants to nationalize it, you should pay for that pill yourself.
there will always be people who are forced to work minimum wage or in that territory.
Not accurate. McDonalds, a company that hires many minimum wage workers can merely automate. That solves the problem of labor that they would lose. The workers benefit because they now have to work a different job, but a job that pays much better per hour so they can get out of poverty with automation.
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@Christen
Why give any murderer the death penalty when we can make them donate enough blood to save 8 other people per year? If we let the murderer live, we can their blood and use it to save hundreds of people over the course of the murderer's life per murderer. If they turn out to be innocent, they get freed and paid for the amount of time they served and blood they donated. Meanwhile, they helped save dozens of other people.
This is why I oppose the death penalty, even if we know the person did the murder.
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@HistoryBuff
I agree that helping the poor is a good thing, but in the end, the war on poverty is a failure because it hasn't prevented poverty.
I 100% agree. I'm glad that your crossing the political aisle.
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@n8nrgmi
It caused poverty to stagnate after it was falling for decades before the bill was even passed.
food stamps give food to people who can't afford it and might starve.
They don't starve if they earned the food by having a job. If they are working a minimum wage job, they should get a better job. If they don't have a college degree, that's fine. There are 13 million jobs according to the University of Georgetown that only require a HS degree that pay $55K or more per year. If two parents work those jobs, that's $110K per year per household at least.
healthcare policy gives healthcare to people who can't afford it.
Under a medicare for all system, which I actually support since it's cheaper then the alternative by 50%, everyone gets covered, including the poor.
section 8 gives shelter to people who would be homeless.
If we show them where the better jobs are, and they work these jobs and earn a good salary, then section 8 housing becomes obsolete and no longer necessary.
most people dont try to stay poor to get these things
The vast majority of them are poor because they don't know how to get out of the situation, because of the war on poverty, which had halted the poverty rate falling for decades. Poor people need to be independent of the government.
the ones that do stay poor, feel that is their best option, so it's not such a bad thing.
If you want to be poor, that's fine. But don't expect me to have to pay for your welfare or any other American citizen.
even if these programs keep some people poor, they still accomplish their ends of feeding and tending to their needs
So your saying being dependent on taxpayers is a good thing? We got to get people out of poverty, not keep them on it.
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@Salixes
If God doesn't exist, then how did it predict the founding of Israel in the Revelation?
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@Mharman
I believe every race has their strengths and weaknesses generally speaking. Just as men tend to be better in some areas than women and vice versa, white people tend to be better in certain areas than other races and vice versa. I don't hate people based off of their race though.
I sure hope this doesn't come back to haunt me, but I try to be honest.
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@bmdrocks21
I think they "rescue" animals in a condition that they don't know how to save, and then they give the animal a lethal injection. If I were in the situation where I couldn't save an animal from something and could either kill the animal or let the animal live in a painful state, I'd probably shoot the animal in the back of the head, southern style. Quick death with a small amount of pain. I'd rather get shot in the back of the head than a lethal injection. Being numb from the lethal injection is ironically so painful and scary for me.
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@zedvictor4
<br>It would mean that we would not breed billions of animals, rather than save billions of animals lives.
Since we wouldn't be breeding them for food, they would be saved from having to be killed. Just as birth control prevents fetuses from being killed, not breeding animals prevents animals from being slaughtered.
What you are worried about is saving yourself and humankind.
Basically.
What has this got to do with veganism and who is doing the forcing?
It's to show that if women are forced to give birth in order to save a life that doesn't have will or intellect, or if 40% of the population backs forcing her to give birth in order to save an unborn baby, a stance that I agree with, that we should eventually give an animal the same treatment that we would give an unborn baby.
Veganism is not a panacea for the sustainability of both the individual and humanity.
It's not necessarily the sole solution, but it does do way more good than harm and I think it should be encouraged.
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@Vader
You have significantly weaker immune system and gain less amino acids, causing your body to feel ill more often
https://wellnessforce.com/the-science-of-why-vegans-get-sick/ agrees with you, but I don't think it states why this is the case. Since I don't notice a strong correlation between how vegan you are and health, it ought to be pursued on the grounds that veganism saves many animals per year. I don't believe it's 100 per year as PETA claims per person, but it's definitely high.
is harmful to our bodies and ruins the food chain and Darwinism
I fail to see why humans need to participate in the food chain to begin with. If your worried about animals that we eat overpopulating, we just castrate the animals so the animals don't have to exist. How is it harmful to our bodies?
All my points that I mentioned still stand.
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I see veganism as consistent pro life ethic. It is good for your health, it's good for the planet, it's something we'll have to do in order to increase the carrying capacity to 10 billion people. Currently, it's at 2.5 billion. It also saves billions of animals per year. If we can force a huge amount of pain on a woman to save 1 life, it seems consistent to forgo a slight amount of flavor that lasts only 5 seconds (and even this is upgraded with good vegan products) to encourage veganism.
What are your thoughts on this?
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@n8nrgmi
How's this different from medicare for all?
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@TheRealNihilist
Would you deem asking someone(Person A) to kill another person and that person(Person B) does it morally wrong?
I think it's Person B's fault, since he went through with the murder.
Actions can be verbal right?
I as of right now don't believe this, speech isn't violence, but do you have an example of when actions can be verbal? I can't think of any.
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@ethang5
Ok, They are civilized but corrupt, and that warrants invasion, killing those who resist, and occupation of their land.
I want Africa to become as much US territory as Puerto Rico is currently, with a little bloodshed as possible to save more lives down the road with getting the reigion out of poverty because poverty kills a lot of people, more than annexing countries like . Puerto Rico's economy, while not as good as the states, has a higher GDP per capita than any country in Latin America. If Africa got to the same place, tens of millions of people would have better lives as a result.
or if he's just an unconscious racist.
I want to invade Latin America as well, since they are corrupt and poor from that corruption. Latin America is largely white, so it's not even a racist move.
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@Zaradi
Not to mention that if you're trying to quantify the suffering caused by racism:
I did try to quantify how big issues were. Like abortion for example, whether your pro life or pro choice, is a bigger issue than the death penalty. I tried to calculate how big certain issues were. I'm not done yet though.
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@TheRealNihilist
So you say that I shouldn't call for someone's murder (which I take as it is morally wrong?) but isn't it also an unpopular opinion since in most cases a lot of people don't want to kill a person unlawfully?
I think that if you believe that a person should be dead, then you should be allowed to believe that, even if others disagree. However, if you actually killed the person you wanted dead, with very few exceptions, such as self defense or if the government did as a punishment for a serious crime, then you would and should be charged for murder and suffer the punishment for it.
Beliefs are different from actions basicly.
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@ethang5
This is the same guy who thinks America should invade and colonize Africa to "civilize" them, and that Africans would like it after they saw how wonderful they had become due to invasion and subjugation.
I didn't say Africa is an uncivilized place. They are corrupt though. An American invasion would hopefully remove a lot of the corruption in Africa. I also want to invade Latin America and remove the corruption there, and Latin America has some very white countries, that are shitholes because of the corruption. So saying that I want to treat whites better than other races is inaccurate.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What is a one dimensional personality?
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@TheRealNihilist
You shouldn't call for someone's murder.
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@Vader
You didn't capitalize turkey here.
Wait a second...do you actually think I don't like turkey turkey. Oh my
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@Salixes
Potential evidence that God exists (just playing Devil's advocate since I'm agnostic):
-If God doesn't exist, how did the pope come into power? (if you responded, I forgot the answer)
-If God doesn't exist, then how did DNA get coded? There are I think 10^77 failed combinations of DNA for every 1 that actually works. There are less atoms in the observable universe. Life did not happen by coincidence by this logic. I remember someone responded with something, and it sort of made sense, but I forgot the reason.
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@Vader
do you actually think I don't like turkey turkey.
What turkey are you referring too? The country, or the bird?
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@Vader
Just like communists committed genocide against non communists. I would barely call 4000 people dead a genocide. 71 million people on the other hand, does amount to a genocide. However, if communism is a legal ideology in the US (it should be), then so should racism.
Freedom is dangerous as hell, but we would be a nanny state if we banned everything dangerous.
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@Vader
I'm not jealous of Oromagi. I thought it was impressive to win 56 consecutive times.
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The person has I think 56 wins and no ties or losses. How did this happen?
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I think we should abolish all federal taxes and replace them with a sales tax and a capitol gains tax of 10% each once we get our debt paid off.
Thoughts?
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@TheRealNihilist
I can name a bunch:Can you tell me an immoral thing?
-Murder
-Rape
-Stealing
Those are some that I've listed at the top of my head.
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@Vader
<br>Communism indirectly killed, racism directly killed.
What's the difference? 4,000 people's lives would be saved if racism was banned, yet 100 million people's lives would be saved from banning communism. I don't advocate for banning communism because it violates the first amendment. The same applies for racism.
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@Vader
4 thousand African Americans died due to lynchings in 100 years. 40 people per year isn't much. It's less than 1 person per week across the entire nation. 71 million people died because of communism in about the same amount of time.
How is it therefore more taboo in society to be a racist than a communist?
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@TheRealNihilist
What's the difference between something being morally wrong and an unpopular opinion?
Those who believe that Veganism is good is an unpopular opinion. Yet, it is certainly not immoral to be vegan.
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@Vader
Killing an innocent fetal human being is worse than offending someone from speech.
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@TheRealNihilist
Some things are morally wrong. But saying an unpopular opinion isn't.Do you think there is morally wrong things?
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@RM
It implies that the person using it is a racist. However, given that racism is an ideology, what's morally wrong with being a racist anymore than any other belief?
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@Christen
Good point. Schools should teach you more about life skills, like investing and filing for taxes.
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@Vader
I see that, however, what's the harm in using the N word or any other slur?
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@Christen
I don't like Standardized tests. I prefer standardized HW.
information that is several centuries old, that doesn't apply today.
Like what?
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@Christen
Fix our broken education system
How?
get rid of near-useless low-paying college majors like Lesbian Dance Theory
YES!!! I wholeheartedly agree. The notion that this is a class that people go into debt over absolutely disgusts me.
stop going soft and easy on illegal aliens and criminals.
What's wrong with illegal immigrants? If my great grandfather had to pass the current immigration system, I doubt he would succeed. He knew like no English.
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I personally think all slurs should be legal, including the N word, regardless of it's context because I think it goes in line with the 1st amendment. Hate speech is free speech after all. What's the harm in allowing the slurs to exist anyway?
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@ethang5
And since I'm professionally trained to handle them, I take up the call.
What job is that?
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Religion fries my brain honestly.
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@Salixes
If they think they have to do that in order to gain eternal salvation, and if they have evidence for it, I'd rather be mean to an LGBT person then sentence a religious person to an eternity in hell if that's what their religion tells them to do.What right do they have to incite hatred and bigotry towards minority groups?
Also, if LGBT people want conversion therapy, many on the left want to ban religious freedom for the gays that want conversion therapy. They use religious freedom to get homosexuality legalized, but then stab at religious freedom when it's gays wanting to Christianize themselves by attending conversion therapy.
Also, hate speech is unpopular free speech. That's why many extreme lefties believe saying something pro life is hate speech towards women. I asked one of them what they thought was free speech if they thought being pro life was hate speech. They didn't respond. I guess they didn't support free speech. I hope that this idea doesn't become mainstream, but I think it will. We must do what we can to legalize all political speech, including anti LGBT speech.
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@oromagi
If sex abuse is so rare in BSA, then how come the organization went bankrupt with all these accusations? I mean, the Catholic church has them too, but they aren't bankrupt.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Tax policy is a different issue. Cross thread contamination is against the CoC.
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@ethang5
Too many yeah, but do you know the percentage? I don't think it's that high. No scoutmaster I know is a sex abuser and I'm an Eagle Scout.; been in scouting since 4th grade.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also, in this thread, when I was defending free college, it was me playing Devil's advocate.
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@ethang5
Do you know what percentage of Boy Scout scout masters are abusers?
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@Salixes
Why would we?
We're not overturning the 1st amendment, which allows for religious freedom.
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@zedvictor4
Perhaps China will be the salvation of humanity.
China is a shothole commie country. I hate them.
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@Salixes
I think social interaction should also be an important consideration for the well-rounded development kids need in order to function effectively in communities.
Social interaction can be obtained through extracurriculars.
Parents, in this case, are abusing the right to homeschool by censoring information (e.g. science subjects) from their kids and forcing a distorted and unrealistic view of the world to their kids in order to satisfy their own nefarious ends.
I do think parents should show both sides of an issue, maybe play Devil's advocate when their kid makes a claim to g et the kid to think.
I don't know the current requirements to homeschooling, but there probably are requirements to make sure the kid is educated.
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