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@Polytheist-Witch
The fact you think a women's body is not big deal but an unborn child's is why you are a hate filled prick.
This is a little rude for a political discussion.
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@Polytheist-Witch
They certainly restrict use though. Like when you can't buy it.
I think Liberals restrict alcohol use more then conservatives.
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Just toddle down to your local abortion clinic and bring back one of these aborted humans and display it's human characteristics for me.
Pretty hard to do that because they throw most of the dead fetuses out, but here are some images regarding how aborted fetuses look. It's barbaric, but if you don't support the images, you shouldn't support the abortions that caused them to get created.
Despite this, even Hillary Clinton said that the images were, "disturbing". That’s like saying that pictures of the Holocaust or of slavery are disturbing, while permitting these things to continue.
The golfer only has lies but as a redneck that's all you need.
What the hell are you talking about here? What is the "golfer"?
BTW what is your claim?
My claim is that abortion should be illegal because of the scientific proof that confirms that a fetus is a human being. Therefore, abortion should be treated just like murder once made illegal (meaning anyone who commits abortions illegally should be convicted of murder).
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@Nd24007
Do you have proof for that claim? How did you access this site without your phone?
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@disgusted
A course in reading comprehension would benefit you if you weren't terminally bewildered.
You have not refuted my claim, so it still stands. A fetus has all the necessary chromosomes to be alive and they meet all the necessary criteria to be alive(they meet all the necessary requirements for life). I used to be pro choice(for a little bit of time) but then PGA2.0 changed my mind on that. I encourage that you too have an open mind.
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@disgusted
Now that you have dropped the point of a woman losing their autonomy unjustly, you then proceed to the claim that a fetus is not a human being. However science confirms that a fetus is a human being.
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@disgusted
Should you have the right to control your body to the extent of slapping another human?
Should a woman have the right to control their body to the extent of killing another human?
The answer to both of these questions is no. If you want to complain about misogyny, complain about the sex based abortions (killing the fetus because they are a girl(or a boy)) the left has kept legal in the US.
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@warren42
each time it seems we make progress a new terror group fills the power vacuum
That's only when the US pulls troops out of the middle east.
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@dustryder
Ultimately I do not believe we should ascribe rights to something that is non-viable and without the characteristics mentioned in my previous post.
A person on anesthesia is not viable as well. Is it justified to kill someone who is in a vegetative state if you know they are going to recover? Your characteristics are:
It hasn't achieved anything, experienced anything or contributed anything. It's a net drain on the woman and will be a net drain on society for years to come.
A homeless person hasn't achieved anything worthy to society, experienced much when they were asleep, and contributed anything of value to society. They are a net drain on society for possibly their whole life. Does this justify killing homeless people, or does this make killing a homeless person significantly less bad then killing a typical white collar worker?
Your 5 filter policy is obviously nice in an idealistic way
I didn't explain my 5 filter policy. The 5 filter policy for a pregnant women is:
1: Are you able and willing without welfare(A&WWW) to take care of the child?
2: Are your parents A&WWW to take care of the child?
3: Is your extended family A&WWW to take care of the child?
4: Are any of your many friends A&WWW to take care of the child?
5: Are any of your parents many friends A&WWW to take care of the child?
For example, if I were to get a girl pregnant (I don't want to), I wouldn't have to go far, my mom said she is willing to take care of the child. However, if the answer to any of the 5 questions is yes, then you don't have to set the kid up for adoption since someone else can take care of the child. The reason why foster places exist is because people often resort to foster care places instead of the 5 filter policy.
I just think it's cruel to force an innocent to live a life unwanted without parents and a robust safety net
Lets say for the sake of argument that kids get absolutely messed up without their biological parents(they don't. I met 2 foster people and they aren't messed up). Isn't it better to be messed up then dead? Many people would say that I'm messed up by having autism, but it's better to be autistic then dead. Can you define being messed up?
Such children are then less likely to become productive members of society.
They probably will have some job. Only 3.7% of America is unemployed. They probably are a little less likely to be employed, but if they get parents, then they'll probably be employed by the time they are adults.
you haven't considered the overall quality of life which can invariably only go down.
As the population increases, the urbanization increases, the technological development rate increases, and society becomes richer. The quality of life for the individual person goes up exponentially as % of population becoming urban goes up (https://paulromer.net/old-blog/urbanization-versus-gdp-per-capita/index.html). This is why the world's GDP is increasing as the population increases. More people means more money per person.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Pence and most Christians given the chance would make every American be a Christian whether they want to or not.
The USA is the most powerful country in the world. If we wanted to spread Christianity by now, we would have already done it.
Gay marriage, abortion and even alcohol laws are prime examples.
Abortion has secular reasoning as to why it is wrong, homosexuality also has secular arguments as to why it should be illegal(although I don't support the anti-homosexuality position) and the right does not want to ban alcohol consumption.
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@dustryder
What do you think of musturdness's comments?
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@dustryder
Sorry for not responding to some other posts. Procrastination got in the way and continues to do so.
Why does something unborn and unthinking deserve rights?
Why does a sleeping person, also often close to unthinking deserve rights also?
It hasn't achieved anything, experienced anything or contributed anything.
A homeless person fits this description pretty well as well. They live off of welfare. Should they be killed for it? No. Being on welfare is not worthy of a death sentence.
It's a net drain on the woman and will be a net drain on society for years to come.
The women chose to bear the child by having sex without an IUD. She has to bear the consequences to prevent an non-consenting party from suffering. Also, if you don't want the kid, you can set the kid up for adoption or if she's worried about the foster system being overcrowded, she can use what I would call the 5 filter policy to send the kid to somewhere else who is able and willing to take care of the child.
The kid has a high chance of being more productive to society then what it costs. Not only is keeping innocent human life alive morally right, it's also economically feasible since the more people are in an area, the more urban it becomes, and therefore, the stronger the GDP per capita and the higher the GDP. I want to see how this unconventional pro life point plays out. It is an experiment.
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@Stronn
He has the right to his opinion so advocating for "correcting" someone over a political disagreement is emulating a dictatorship.
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@mustardness
Please engage me when you choose to have a mature adulte, rational, logical, common sense moral and intellectual integrity.
Apart from the fact that you spelled adult wrong, it seems that your definition of a "rational, logical, common sense moral and intellectual integrity" conversation is only one that agrees with you and that toes the liberal line. This is not a rational discussion; this is an echo chamber.
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@mustardness
You could use a therapist, and a job.
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@PGA2.0
Ah, you recognize you are being childish! That is the first baby step! Congratulations!
Nice roast.
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@3RU7AL
The BoP would be on the person making the claim.
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@3RU7AL
The US government doesn't do that to Italians anymore.
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@Greyparrot
That's a start. However, if abortion is punished the same way as murder, I imagine it would bring abortion rates down even more.
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@disgusted
You claim that Socialist countries have a higher standard of living then the US. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1me3ak-UNfyU3eshRYhDx8XHC4szfqMtdM1D_kUEBN2w/edit confirms the opposite.
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@keithprosser
If you support a position between the left wing position(Abortion legal at 1st trimester) and the right wing position (Abortion banned in all situations), then where would you draw the line?
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@Greyparrot
The current law prohibits most abortions where the fetus can cause pain. However, I don't think this is a good factor in terms of deciding when it is okay to kill a human being. A sleeping person can barely feel pain. Is it justified to kill a sleeping person if they are dependent on a mother for survival?
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@mustardness
Radical fundmamentlist have no moral or intellectual integrity and should be Locked Away from a moral civilized humanity.
You seem to be the radical one since you want to lock someone away for being pro life. How would you imprison 40% of the national population? Even if people should be locked away for being pro life (they shouldn't be), how would you propose paying for their prison expenses? It would cost $1,200,000,000,000 a year to sustain and it would cost much more to build prisons and to hire guards. You would have to significantly raise taxes on a smaller group of people. It also resembles a dictatorship to even propose.
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@keithprosser
There will be illegal abortions if they are banned, but they will be less common. It would be like saying that we should legalize rape because if we ban it, then people will commit illegal rape. Whenever something is banned, it almost always becomes less common. What it would do is it would encourage more women to use contraception so they don't commit abortions at all.
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BTW, I don't support locking people up on their political beliefs. That is communism, something that is un-american.
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@mustardness
Thank God you don't have any political power. It comes down to if a fetus is a person. The problem life movement is well, pro life. The other side is pro irresponsibly who wants to treat sex as a joke rather then something serious.
If you don't want kids, either use abstinence, or use an IUD. Killing babies must be stopped.
You want to lock up half of the population for supporting Trump. How would you pay for their prison cost?
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@PGA2.0
I am a right wing capitalist. However, I'm seeing how you respond to the following comment:
You're against socialism as am I, but is it the Christian thing to do? Jesus said to sell all you have and to give to the poor(https://biblehub.com/luke/18-22.htm). He also said it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich man to go to heaven(https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/19-24.htm). The only bible verses that I found that contradicted this were from the Old Testament(OT), the testament that gets overridden by the NT when applicable in the case of Christianity. This is one reason why I don't worship God. He made heaven too hard to get into. So do you think the NT advocates for socialist policies in order to screw everyone on Earth, but then to bless them into heaven, which lasts forever as opposed to like 60 years of time on Earth?
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@triangle.128k
I aggree with you now on this.
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@mustardness
How about I challenge you to a formal abortion debate? Would you approve of this?
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@PGA2.0
@disgusted
How about you guys debate this topic?
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I don't think western culture is ruined. Some things the west has done that many other cultures haven't done:
-We treat women better.
-We treat homosexuals better.
-We are capitalist.
-We can sustain consumerism. It's not like people are buying luxuries by the masses much in China.
-Highest GDP per capita in the world on average.
-We Created the concept of, "human rights"
-We Abolished slavery(ISIS still has sex slaves).
I don't think western civilization is bad.
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@Segregationist
I actually agree with you because when segregation ended in 1968, the murder rate and the rate of other crimes skyrocketed (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm).
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@Segregationist
How is the learning style of blacks different from the learning style of whites? I think the BoP is on you.
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@DebateArt.com
Can you add a leaderboard for comments added to debates?
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@Segregationist
Every race commits homicide. Why blacks are more likely to do it, I don't know.
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@disgusted
(How many of these aborted humans have you (set up for adoption)?)
None and I don't think people set up aborted babies for adoption, although rather then being aborted, fetuses that grow into babies can be set up for adoption once they are born.
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@PGA2.0
Challenge the other pro choicer, Polytheist witch.
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@disgusted
I challenged you to a debate to see if abortion should be legal in most situations.
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@disgusted
and you bring it to adulthood
You don't have to bring the kid up until they are an adult. You can set the kid up for adoption.
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@bsh1
1: No
2: What's this?
3: What's this?
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I think it should be a state's issue on whether or not to legalize polygamy. Then we can see the effects of it to the United States.
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