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@Savant
You're not at all suspicious about Vader completely disappearing after someone other than him got accused?
Activity is non-alignment-indicative, in general.
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I don't know if you're scum or not, but lol no. You are not L Lawliet and you did not plan this five steps ahead. Calling this a "reaction test" retroactively to sound smart just makes you more suspicious.
I'm literally known for doing reaction tests to an unreasonable degree here lol. Pie is obvtown and I'm willing to bet the game on that, and you pushing lynches of us back-to-back is not a good look.
I would love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
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Also ftr Pie is obvious town. Scum doesn't invent a fake informed role and push a scumslip off of it when all it does is make their info look fake after I flip. It's a genuine misinterpretation combined with Pie being his usual town self.
I never scumread him at all but generally letting town-on-town conflicts go on for a little bit to see how people react is good practice, scum are pretty transparent about chaining mislynches or just not caring while usually town is more genuine about caring about the conflict
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It's just blatant hedging and not taking a side
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Austin also says "I don't mind being used as the test for Grey confirming his role." If he's town, he doesn't really need to specify that, since if we lynch him and he's innocent we've already agreed on doing that. But if he's scum, he needs to bluff and make it seem like he's not afraid of being lynched. The line just comes off to me as trying too hard not to seem desperate, and through that lens he just seems more defensive here. A town Austin doesn't have much to lose since if he's confirmed he can get Pie tomorrow, who he's pretty sure is scum. (And if we lynch Pie instead, GP will likely die and lose his ability anyway.) Pie will be aggressive either way here since that's just how he is.
is also clearly not a real thought
And is also chaining two mislynches together
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After reading recent posts, I lean toward believing Pie. I get that Pie is sort of misrepresenting what Austin said, but he tends to be pretty aggressive as town, so I think it's more about vibes or what he thought Austin was implying. Also, I don't know if Austin would be zeroing in on one discrepancy as town; I think a townie would look for more than one way to support their innocence, while a scum player would be more inclined to zero in on a single mistake. - SAVANT
I don't see how town has this thought lol
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@Greyparrot
I think most people here strongly disagree with your decision to pick selfishly for a role that helps you more than a role that hurts town the least.
Well I'd rather not get fake guiltied or be a policy lynch before MYLO, so my choices weren't particularly great.
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Ok I got what I wanted out of my reaction test
Pie is pretty obvtown
Savant's just taking advantage of town on town violence
VTL Savant
Can elaborate when I'm done with my coursework, but I think his recent posts speak for themselves
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FYI, I don't mind being used as the test for Grey confirming his role. My role is annoying and it's better for me to be vanillaized than anyone else.
I do mind Pie acting like he's actually scumhunting and completely derailing the day by tunneling a townie with provably false claims. That's scummy.
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This argument is asymmetrical for a simple reason: it always takes more work to lie. So I'll make this short.
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Pie's whole argument, directly quoted, boils down to this:
Red herring. I said you knew that scum were given the roles from the categories. You didn’t say fake claims. You explicitly said role. - PIE
A role. He has that role. No where did Luna say besides to me and scum that scum wouldn’t get the roles in the fake categories too - PIE
And his evidence?
“Pretty sure this hard confirms me as town, since it'd be atrocious from a balancing perspective to give scum a useless role when town has seven non-negative utility PRs.” - Austin
Which is entirely different from what he's claiming. I'm pointing out the options I was given were only negative utility roles, and that it doesn't make sense for me to be scum - not that scum received negative utility roles.
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Pie is provably lying. Provably lying is scummy.
Simple as that.
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VTL Pie
He's likely scum working in bad faith to try and get me mislynched, and if he's not, then he's a townie who's deathtunneling for no reason while also having a role whose only utility is having info that can only be verified after he flips.
I don't mind either way, but if he's going to claim I said something I never did, while deliberately ignoring any mechanical analysis despite him being a game designer, then I'm fine with this.
Part of mafia is knowing to pick your battles, and I'm good with this one.
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Pie's whole argument is based on two things:
1. I'm too confident in being town.
He says it's unreasonable to think I should be considered town.
The logic here is simple - I'm literally negative utility, a type of role which I have never seen given to scum and is especially unbalanced in a game where town has seven PRs. I think it's reasonable to work from that perspective in order to see how others read me and read them by proxy.
2. I scumslipped.
He says that I know scum were given roles from the two unknown categories.
That's objectively false. Read my posting. If you think I said that, then tag me.
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Ngl I was kinda expecting more from Pie, not a wallpost I refuted in 3 minutes lmao.
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Pie's role is not confirmed by any means btw.
He could easily be informed of that info just by means of being scum.
It's an easy fakeclaim, especially if his real one is scummy.
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Town:
GP
Wylted
WF
Lean town:
Casey
Savant
Slight town:
Earth
Null:
Vader
Lean scum:
Pie
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Broadly agree with WF's post, like that he's not just being opportunistic and going for a mislynch.
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Squinting at Pie's push on me, because there a couple parts in it that seem transparently bad faith and like he's deliberately twisting my words.
I think we should lynch Austin for a couple of reasons. First, it can help prove GP’s role.
And conveniently puts town on even numbers, losing us a lynch.
Second, the fact that Austin has been so adamant that the fact his role is confirm’s him as town. Austin is experienced enough that he knows role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation by any means.
If you think this is what I've been saying, you haven't been reading my posts. My role is confirmed to be Hammerer - me claiming a role that can and will be confirmed functionally proves this. I'm pointing out that from a pure balance perspective, giving negative utility to scum imbalances the game to the point where it's not viable.
Third, I believe he scum slipped in this paragraph: “Pretty sure this hard confirms me as town, since it'd be atrocious from a balancing perspective to give scum a useless when town has seven non-negative utility PRs.”
I'm not even sure what Pie is saying here. I'm saying that:
a. Luna gave me this role (in the form of options)
b. If I was scum, I'd either not have chosen this role if I had other options, or if I didn't have options, then Luna's bad at balancing
c. Thus, I'm not scum.
Now how does this affect Austin. He’s the only one that came out saying he’s confirmed town just because he has a negative utility role that is “confirmable.” He also cited balance which we know is wonky this game, but read the paragraph he said before. He knows that scum were given roles from the two fake categories. No one here besides scum and me know that mafia were given functional town roles in the two fake categories. The paragraph shows Austin being one of them. Not to mention his confidence about role confirmation equaling affiliation confirmation. It’s 100% a scum slip, which is why I wanted everyone to comment and genuinely slip before I outted my role.
I didn't say that scum were given roles from two fake categories.
Pie is straight-up not reading what I said here, either deliberately or negligently.
I said that I was given roles from negative utility category, and that if I was scum, the options that Luna gave me would have been unbalanced.
I'm working from my own perspective of the information I have as a townie, and given that, pointing out that it doesn't make sense for me to be scum.
Saying that "I am [X], "It doesn't make sense for me to be scum]" doesn't mean that Scum is [X]. It's a hypothetical.
I really struggle to see Pie genuinely believing in this. I think he's capable of far better solving.
My hesitation mainly comes that when I flip town, it's going to look pretty bad for him. But I think that he is a good enough player to talk his way out of it. I strongly want to see whether he continues this push, because if he does, I'm going to assume he's just going for the mislynch.
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Wylted's approach continues to be towny. If I got mislynched last game for mishandling a role claim, I kinda expect I'd behave exactly as Wylted here in terms of transparency.
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I think Vader is probs town, the way he keeps leaning into this point when other players are disagreeing is something that comes from a place of genuine belief.
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@Vader
Hammerer is the only confirmable role out of those four. Did you take that into account?
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Like whiteflame's thoughts on the last page, broadly align with mine.
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Also, I can make a pretty strong logical argument for being mechanically confirmed.
First of all, my role is real. It's verifiable, confirmable, lynch me if it doesn't confirm, etc.
If negative utility was one of the roles given to mafia: what would the other possible roles in the category be? Almost all negative utility roles are negative utility to town - Miller, Gravedigger, etc. I could think of Hated being a negative utility role in general, but other that, it really doesn't make sense to give this category to mafia.
That aside - town has seven non negative utility PRs, scum has two PRs. Making one of those PRs negative utility is atrociously unbalanced.
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Quick thoughts:
Think that GP's role is town and easily confirmable
I townread Savant taking initiative early on, I remember him being a lot more passive as scum although it's been a while.
Casey pushing back on massclaim is good, shows towny thought process.
WF and Pie are fine
Wylted's role is probably town. From a balance perspective IMO, it's just a straight-up bad role to give to mafia. And it's confirmable. Also kinda townread him saying he thought he was initially scum off the role.
Savant paying attention to Pie is good.
I don't like Vader's behavior, feels like he's trying to set up a scumread on me early. Whether my decision was pro-town is separate from whether my role is town, and it feels like he's deliberately obfuscating that. He said it's leaning towards a poor choice, but imo that demonstrates lack of nuance in regards to how bad my role really is (it's not, it's disables in LYLO/MYLO and it functionally doesn't change the lynch target if everyone's aware of it) as well as whether it can be a mafia role (unless you think Luna would give confirmable negative utility role to scum for funsies, it's literally just the standard negative utility role archetype given to town).
Comfortable putting some pressure here for now.
VTL Vader
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@Greyparrot
Ya. My vote automatically gets transferred to be the hammer vote.
It sounds pretty bad, but it's pretty easy to play around - just don't put people at L - 1 if you don't want them to die immediately.
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Hi everyone.
I'm the Hammerer.
I'm negative utility. I got the option of hammerer, hated, miller, and gravedigger. Hammerer was the only confirmable role, so I chose it. The role hammers any person at L - 1 if I'm not already on their wagon, and it disables at MYLO and LYLO.
Pretty sure this hard confirms me as town, since it'd be atrocious from a balancing perspective to give scum a useless when town has seven non-negative utility PRs.
Will be around later tonight to give my thoughts.
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general notes - some directly related to this game, some in the form of advice for the future
-thematic analysis is overrated. I don't remember the last time it's directly caught scum. Theme is better for having people character claim and later have to commit to a role claim that fits with their char.
-audacious plays come disproportionately from town. Scum very rarely do things scummy at a surface level because it gets them caught. Town care less about being townread.
-that being said, don't make audacious plays, because they will backfire. Wylted choosing Luna was... eh. I can understand but you have to be aware of the risks and consequences of playing a role so aggressively.
-distancing is easy, bussing is hard. Putting your partner in POE doesn't unpair you from them, pushing them over a townie does.
-be proactive. Without an active effort to push mafia and town working in unison, it's very difficult to coalesce a lynch.
-don't no-lynch. please. If town had lynched Cerulean d1, then Luna would have been alive in LYLO.
-once you get to LYLO, town and scum behavior starts converging due to the narrow POEs. Backread previous days, it'll be far more alignment indicative.
fun game overall, really enjoyed it. Thanks Pie for modding, thanks Mharman for being a great teammate, and town took it down to the wire.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Of course they could be scum, and it's very frustrating to me that people seem to act like there is a way to clear them of the possibility.You and Mharmen could also be scum.I have zero reason to trust any of you, but I don't have to make that decision unless you and Mharmen try to lynch their duo and they try to lynch you and I'm the deciding vote.In that case, at this moment, I would side with Whiteflame and Cerulean for admittedly weak reasons. If you want to put a number to it, it would be like 51% chance Mharmen is scum because I think the role/theme assignment is weirder.
This really doesn't make sense - are you saying that you think there's a 49% chance that WF and Cerulean are scum? That's alarmingly high considering you're willing to blindly lynch me, or as you claim, Mharman.
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@Cerulean
It doesn't "prove" I'm unpartnered - I worded it badly, but I was referring to ADOL's phrasing. He's saying he's unpartnered because he's willing to lynch anybody, I'm saying I can do the same thing but with the crucial step of being willing to commit to what my townreads ask me to without knowing what they're going to ask. That's how I'm showing I'm playing to town agenda here.
If my "vibes" are off, then so be it - but IMO, I would appreciate if you *did* go and reread Classical Movies and compare my play here versus there, because its an order of magnitude different.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Got a better argument? [response to Mharman], from ADOL
So do you or do you not think Cerulean and WF could be scum?
How so?If the scum team = ADOL/Mharmen then a townie Austin wouldn't care whether he lynches ADOL or Mharmen first.Or to put it another way, of the three outside the presumed innocent entangled pair, only one is innocent; so that one would not need to decide which of the other two is scum, they must both be scum.If you think it's white flame and cerulean say so.Otherwise ADOL/Mharmen/Austin should all be willing to lynch each other.
That's correct, I'm fine with lynching either of you today. I'm waiting for Cerulean or WF to weigh in to prove that I'm not partnered with either of you by being willing to lynch whoever the people outside of POE want, showing that I genuinely believe that you and Mharman are both scum. If I preferred either of you over the other, that would be outing.
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Actually nevermind, because I do have some thoughts to give.
So to collapse to a plan of action I'm going to assume Cerulean/Whiteflame are town. It would be a long con indeed if they were scum. - ADOL
This seems like TMI on their alignment - it's a simple play to clear as teammates. The reason why I'm townreading WF is dependent on Cerulean being independently towny and claiming mech on WF, as well as behavior of ADOL and Mharman.
ADOL has said, several times this game, that behavior isn't truly alignment indicative. With this in mind, there's no reason he should be believing in a me/Mharman world over Cerulean/WF.
I don't buy the excuse that "we all distrust each other too much" - because that's something he'd say if he pushed a worldview and it got rejected by others, forcing him to reconsider - not something he'd say if he never formed a worldview at all.
And that aside, I don't recall Mharman ever explicitly scumreading ADOL, so the "Mharman distrusts me" might be inside information from scum chat if they're preparing to distance or bus - this one is a bit of a stretch, but I wanted to point it out anyway.
So here is my attack: Let's lynch Mharmen. You can't claim that the scum team is ADOL/Mharmen if I lynch Mharmen. Assuming that Mharmen is scum (and if he isn't town loses) then the last round Whiteflame and Cerulean will have to choose between you and me. - ADOL
This just feels egregious - if Mharman flips scum, which I believe he does, this in no way clears ADOL. It's also evidently not a real thought - because if I vote to lynch Mharman, would that prove to ADOL that I'm town? Obviously he'd claim otherwise. It's setting up a chain mislynch with logic that I believe, based on ADOL's understanding of mech and behavior that he's shown this game, doesn't make sense.
I'll also vote to lynch Austin if WF and Cerulean go that route.So if you're town and serious about ADOL/Mharmen = scum, you have nothing to lose by going along with lynching Mharmen. I say the exact same thing to Mharmen about Austin. - ADOL
Which has nothing to do with his own alignment - again, his arguments are all based on "I'm town and y'all are scum by POE, and I can't be paired with scum because I'm voting who you're calling scum" - it's *incredibly* easy to read others off your own alignment as scum because it's often the truth - I AGREE that if ADOL is town, then I should be on the chopping block - but with no evidence that ADOL has provided for why he's town, it reads as a scum who doesn't know how to truly push me. And going back to what I said earlier, he's either setting up bussing cred or just straight-up trying to mislynch me in broad daylight here.
Never said that. I'm undecided. I will say that this most recent post isn't looking good for you. Regardless, I'll still have to weight the two team combos in my head. - MHARMAN
Keeping as many options as possible open... okay.
Literally all that needs to happen is Whiteflame claiming a role and Cerulean confirming it the next DP. This is a bit of a stupid argument. - MHARMAN
This is correct, but pointing out a scummy comment from ADOL so late into LYLO means little. That aside, the fact that he doesn't make a comment on ADOL's alignment off of that comment is something.
The lack of self awareness here is crazy. "You can't lynch me if I go after Mharman!" to justify an attack where all you need it one mislynch and it could easily be you and Austin. Honestly if I conclude you're scum at the end of this it'll be because I'd think you're trying to frame me as a teammate of yourself in MYLO where you only need one lynch to win. - MHARMAN
Distancing-style attack.
Ignoring the fact that this applies to you too from their POV, lol
Also correct, but frankly I'd just turbo-lynch Mharman if he actually agreed with ADOL's logic there.
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@whiteflame
@Cerulean
Don't really have anything particular to say, so I'll keep it simple.
If the scum team is Cerulean and WF, then the game is pretty much lost for town because it'd be impossible to coalesce a correct lynch. Am I worried about it? Obviously, but I don't see the point of doomering about it when it's not going to help me get found as town.
At this stage in the game, scum and town behavior converge because it becomes more about lynching others within a narrow POE rather than solving into a correct POE in the first place.
I think ADOL and Mharman are classically partnered. Look at their progression on each other:
-They largely ignore each other for early game
-ADOL jumps on Wylted wagon for weak thematic reasons, Mharman defends Wylted from a place that looks like TMI
-Mharman hard townreads ADOL because "he could have claimed a protective role" (don't forget this egregious reason for a townread, btw)
-Then Mharman and ADOL don't commit to any scumreads for the duration of LYLO beyond asking about mech and saying that it could be anyone
-And now, ADOL is willing to lynch Mharman because it "proves" they're not a scum team (pretty clearly not a real thought, and one to set up my mislynch in F3) while also keeping his options to lynch me as well. Similarly, Mharman's attacks on ADOL read largely as distancing, while he *still* is "weighing" possible team combos.
It all pretty much just comes down to one thing: I'm willing to let Cerulean and WF decide who we go for today, because that's logical from my worldview and has followed from my progression for the past few days. ADOL is willing to go for Mharman (to prove he's "unpartnered") or me (to mislynch, I suppose) even though, from his point of view and his philosophy he's expressed this game, there's no reason he should be clearing Cerulean and WF when they haven't been role confirmed outside of Cerulean claiming mech on WF - so that reads as TMI. And Mharman is willing to go for anybody, apparently.
I could pick apart what they're saying right now, but I don't think that would be a productive exercise. Just tell me what I need to do to get found as town, and the rest really solves itself.
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@whiteflame
@Mharman
@ADreamOfLiberty
@Cerulean
I'm just going to commit to a worldview rn.
I believe Cerulean/WF are the same alignment.
This would make ADOL/Mharman the same alignment.
Based on behavior, I am heavy inclined to believe the scum team is ADOL/Mharman - I think Cerulean and WF have been more behaviorally towny in previous DPs, and there is a clear lack of drive to truly solve from ADOL/Mharman that I'm seeing this DP - worrying from ADOL, but especially worrying from Mharman - who I would expect to have at least a singular townread or something (it's not a high standard).
Based on claims, I am leaning that the scum team is ADOL/Mharman. Oracle fits well for Cerulean and is an early claim.
Voodoo doll is... strange. I can see Pie including it, it's a bit of a stretch, but I'd had to believe Cerulean is lying as well. Viewing it charitably, I kinda think WF wouldn't go through all this trouble for a fakeclaim that the rest of the game is going to view skeptically.
Singer makes very little sense in terms of justification, and it's also somewhat CCing Oracle (although I *could* see it being in the same game, I just find it unlikely) - and furthermore, I just struggle Pie putting so many negative utility and/or difficult-to-use town roles in one game.
Bulletproof is a substantial outlier from the rest - it's also the justification I have most direct issues with, since it feels like one which doesn't fit well but one that someone who's skimmed the series might *think* fit well.
So yes. ADOL, Mharman - if you're town, then this game is headed in a bad direction - you need to do something to convince me.
Cerulean, WF - I think you're town. Fmpov, the greater difficulty is probably convincing you that I'm town. All I can say is that I don't think I can really be paired with either of the above, I've been behaviorally towny all game, and I've been displaying a drive to solve the game - I might've been wrong, but at least I committed to scumreads and pushed them - and I don't recall that from the others.
Since fypov I could technically be paired with one of the above, I'm fine with following your lead this DP if you're worried about me pulling a fast one, although we will have to resolve this in F3 eventually, since if we hit one of ADOL/Mharman today then WF is almost always dying tonight.
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@Mharman
I haven’t liked Whiteflame’s behavior, I haven’t liked Cerulean’s behavior, and I haven’t liked Austin’s behavior all game long. And recently I haven’t been liking ADOL’s behavior so I’m kinda suspicious of everyone.
I dislike this. It feels like you're suddenly trying to open the POE into the whole game during LYLO and it doesn't feel natural.
That aside, I know you said you're burned out, and I understand, but I would have expected at least *some* analysis of what's happening right now beyond just mechanically separating the game into two groups. I'm really struggling to see the urgency or curiosity that comes from a town who knows they have to chop correctly.
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@Cerulean
Ok!
If that's true, that's awesome for town.
Fwiw I'm leaning towards it being true.
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@whiteflame
The way your role is worded - assuming you're telling the truth, then there's also a 50% chance nothing will happen, right? Will Pie inform you if this is the case?
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@whiteflame
I can guarantee the game’s not over regardless of whether Cerulean gets a response, just hope he does. Appreciate the trust.
Just acknowledging that I'm seeing this - I had a feeling that this was the case, given you would have been taking a victory lap by now if you're scum/town with Cerulean, but it's good to make sure.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
One more thing - I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I really need to.
When you viewed Cerulean's decision not to say the word as suspicious, would you have still found it suspicious if he explicitly made a decision that he wouldn't say the word? Or was it him just not making a decision at the time that concerned you?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Intentionally delaying has only the purpose of "creating distance" (Whiteflame's words, not mine). What you might call an "amateurish attempt to unpair".Waiting to hear some arguments isn't intentionally delaying and I didn't say anything about delaying, I was counter-arguing Whiteflame's claim that delay increased trust.
Ok, this is noted, though it's a strange thing to focus on in.. y'know, the greater context of their alignments and how they've been behaving.
With almost no night actions and very few people commiting to an agenda it looks like helplessness.The way you veterans seem to think you can sniff out lies with gut feeling rather than use logic doesn't seem to be paying any dividends to me. Other than theme analysis I've only ever offered what little logic there was to use and admitted every time that it wasn't deductive or sufficient.If town had a chance at the start of the game it didn't help that our cop took out the arsonist and the cop was the theme villain. Since then there has been nothing but making mock lunges to see how people would react or essentially silence. i.e. little to no evidence.
Do you believe that over time, scum will show meaningful differences in their pattern of behavior compared to town?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You're implying that the lynch gives nothing better than random chance. Random chance implies that there's no info to work off of. We have flips, roles, theme, and most importantly, behavior to work with. Beyond thematic/mechanical analysis, what are your thoughts? Who do you think has been actively playing towards scum agenda this game, and this day in particular - and vice versa?
If you're town, I really need to find you here, but I can't do that without seeing your thought process.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
quickly checking in, will be around for real in an hour:
If you've been keeping the solution to yourself, I would say now is the time. I can't think of a solution, and guessing isn't a solution. 2/5 chance vs whatever the probability that whiteflame is scum witch.
completely baffled by this, could you explain?
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Also, I'm saying all this with the assumption that the game hasn't ended and I want to get my thoughts out before checking in in a few hours.
WF, if it's you and you just won the game, nice play. I don't think you're scum who went through an elaborate trap in order to setup a winning daykill at LYLO, but if so, then eh, setup was screwed for town for the start.
Hopefully I don't come back to this site later and see an endgame thread.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's up to Cerulean whether to risk saying the word or not, but delay without cause creates distrust (from me) not trust. I wouldn't blame him if he was town and took the risk because the odds aren't great without more evidence.
Trying to understand this - why is delaying scummy? Is it not a move that shows appropriate caution for a LYLO situation, given that the game could have ended just now? The game isn't unsolvable if WF is scum, and if he is, then not saying the word might be the *only* way to solve it.
What benefit does scum Cerulean get from delaying, regardless of WF's alignment?
This feels shady and I'm trying to understand the perspective this comes from.
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Cerulean's paranoia over WF feels very genuine - if he's scum who isn't scum with WF, then he knows there's no real danger and probably just buddies with WF by saying the word - he'd win either today or in final 3, since he has a good reason for not being nightkilled even as the most townread player.
And if he's scum with WF, I find that highly unlikely - why not just confirm WF as town and take the win? Doubt we'd ever be finding that team...
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@whiteflame
Suffice it to say I still think ADOL comes off as particularly scummy after that move at the end of the DP to VTL Mharman. He’s new to this, but that felt particularly tailored to alleviate suspicions in a way that only raised mine. I’ll leave it there and discuss my suspicions regarding who I think his partner is later.
That pinged me as well - if Mharman's town, then it could be ADOL being upset about getting caught for the wrong reasons (being accused of being paired with him), while if Mharman's scum, then it's a very amateurish attempt to unpair. I don't see it as being impossible to come from a town perspective, but in general, explicit attempts to show that one isn't paired with another player tend to be agendaed.
It's something I'd push harder for on an experienced player - since ADOL is new, I'm not really sure what his towngame looks like, so that's why I was kind of undecided on it until now. Just something of concern.
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Right now, I townread Cerulean the most based off behavior and Luna's legacy - if he says WF gets confirmed, then I'll probs just trust him, don't think town can win in a world where Cerulean and WF are both scum anyway.
If WF doesn't get confirmed, it becomes trickier - we'll just have to deal with that when it comes. Hopefully when I come back tonight, the game is easy and solved. Anyway, again, don't rush to vote, we have three days and there's no margin for error rn.
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remember not to vote unless you're absolutely sure the person you're voting is scum since it's LYLO
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Going to be on the road for most of today, I can check in tonight
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A legacy of a confirmed town player is very powerful, and we might as well take the opportunity if we can.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
I'd definitely appreciate an extension.
Luna, if it doesn't work out, please leave any last thoughts, as detailed as you can, in the likelihood that you die tonight.
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@whiteflame
Yeah. WF, not going to give you any specific advice on who to target if you're telling the truth, but take into consideration the likely NK.
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