AustinL0926

TBH I am 100% willing to believe that Pie would include the main antagonist of the series as a town character. In terms of modpsych, it seems like the sort of thing he'd do. The justification also checks out very well, and Vanillaizer is easily confirmable. I believe Wylted is very likely telling the truth.

Interesting. Austin and Luna, what do you two think about this claim? 

I was Mafia in Mayday Mafia. There's admittedly not much of my meta for you to go off, here, since I haven't been Town in a few games.

Well to me it just looks like he’s finding stuff to say that doesn’t help much. That doesn’t really answer my question though. Do you still have the light sus on Cerulean from earlier?

As for Lunatic, I read that as null because it doesn’t do all that much to help town imo. The only difference between he and Cerulean is that he isnt subtly asking others to out their roles, then looking for other stuff. I will say that I like what he saying about Earth earlier 

Since I was buying into this a bit, I'll expand on my own thought process as well.

Don't ask me to find it (it's been a while), but I recall a game in which I was the Lone Wolf, which fits what Cerulean describes: a scum player who is not in scum chat and who both does not know who the other scum are (the remainder of scum don't know who they are, either). It's certainly not common, and I don't know what brought it to Cerulean's mind, but I can at least understand why he'd consider it based on that character description.

I don't really buy the idea that Cerulean would give away this mechanic openly if it is in this game and he's scum, since he'd be drawing attention to subtle efforts to communicate between elements of the scum team. I could see this being an effort to draw attention away from other plays the scum team is making and sus players for perceived subtle cues in their posts, so at least for the time being, Cerulean's null to me.

Question: It looked like you had an inkling of a sus on Ceruean of your own. Why townread him so quickly?

Same with Lunatic. I didn’t think his post was all that alignment-indicative.

That happened in Bo Burnham mafia, only a few games ago. Though I don't think you were part of that one. 

I'd say that the justification for my role makes a fair amount of sense based on the biography of my character that Pie provided. I'm not sure how useful this sort of discussion is, though. I think we've established that justifications don't seem to be very loose for this game, so what else is there to say? 

I like Casey so far. I'll echo Cerulean and my role and character fairly connect well. 

Actually, on second thought, considering this line from the OP:

As always, Mafia will be given the opportunity to ask if any two roles and if any two characters are in the game at any point in time, to which I will truthfully answer.

...I highly doubt that there's no scum chat. -CASEY

Oh, I did forget about that. Seems fairly conclusive unless we want to make assumptions about how that would be run with independent Mafia, then. - CERULEAN

It might be worthwhile to say if our characters are on the "Important Characters" list here. I ask specifically because mine isn't. This might narrow some things down.

Interesting theory; I'll keep that in mind. A question for the veterans here -- when was the last game that had no private mafia chat, if you can remember?

Evening, all. I haven't read this series, but I'll take some time to look it up in more detail later. It would definitely be worthwhile to see if we can at least speculate on what Mafia might have access to, role-wise.

Okay, so here I go with my vote. Here is everything I’m basing my decision off of (the higher the score, the more town points they have):

1. Miller - A Miller exists in this game and it specifically mentions alignment investigations. This leads me to conclude that there are at the minimum Cop roles out there. The question then is whether Casey’s JOAT had multiple alignment investigative roles, or they were distributed between 2 players (him and WF). This point, I agree that it’s more likely that one lay with Casey and the other with WF. (1-0 WF)
   
2. Voting - Whiteflame was on or supported every wagon this game. He explicitly voted for GP. Something that I caught was that GP called WF scum early in the game. WF brushed it off, but later participated in the lynch quite enthusiastically. In DP2, he was quick to call Wylted scum as an investigative JOAT, knowing that Wylted had claimed Miller. He very easily believed Mharman’s results and was heavily supporting Wylted and said he would vote for him when he got back. The WF I know would be a little more calculating and suspicious of Mharman, vs just believing him outright. (1-1 tie)
   
3. Let’s assume for a second that Casey had 2 investigative abilities in his JOAT, then Luna’s role works very well with the Miller because even upon Casey’s death, an investigative ability is available for town to use, and thus the investigative JOAT becomes redundant because in a likely 3-5 DP game, 2-3 investigative abilities utilized can be game changing. This theory though is still a little less likely and #1 but I wanted to highlight it. (Still 1-1 tie)
   

Now I’m going to analyze who I see as their respective partners.

1. Austin - The anticlaim talk at DP1 was out of the blue. As I mentioned then, from anyone else, it would be town, but Austin is smart enough to say that as town, and I think that’s what’s going to bite him. The anti-claim feature could have impacted Mharman’s results since Wylted was the only person who had claimed at that point in time. Because he had claimed, he could be messed with via the anti-claim. I think this in itself is very incriminating. (2-1 Luna)
   
2. Mharman - I genuinely don’t see Mharman’s endgame by lying about seeing Wylted. It seems more likely that scum messed with his results via the anti-claim to get Town Wylted lynched, and then get Mharman lynched for lying. The only alternative theory is that Mhar/Luna planned this as an appeal to absurdity and it was a crazy risky gamble. Would Luna do it? I think he would, but I don’t think Mhar would agree to the risk on team. Luna I think would also hesitate cause I was still alive and so was WF. (3-1 Luna)
   
3. Mharman - The fact that Mharman asked everyone if anyone visited him before outting his results is a red flag to me. I believe by that point, Wylted had said that he visited Casey, so why hold off on just saying his results and ask who visited him (Austin said he did and only then did Mharman confirm). This is very odd to me in DP2. (3-2 Luna)
   
4. Austin - After both votes were over in DP1 and DP2, said something along the lines of: It was obvious GP and Wylted were town after they did “XYZ.” It’s almost like he knew that they were town at the beginning and didn’t say it. I found this really interesting because it kinda shows he has an informed perspective (4-2 Luna)
   

There is a 5, with Mharman town slipping in my opinion, but I realize it’s still WIFOM and could be faked, especially if the appeal to absurdity argument is correct, so I’m going to leave that a tie.

In short, most, if not all of this is WIFOM. But I’m going to choose to believe what I believe is most likely assumptive of affiliation, and what isn’t. Austin and Whiteflame as scum make more sense from my POV than Mhar/Luna after highlighting all of these things (they have more town points). If I’m wrong, well played to you Mhar/Luna and apologies for Austin/WF, but after comparing the two teams, I see WF/Austin as the scum team.

VTL Whiteflame

With that, I’m going to sleep, and the DP should prob be over when I wake up.

Austin, do you agree with Whiteflame’s assessment of Pie?