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@WyIted
If I were to trust pies reads and him the scum pool is as follows1. Owen_T4. Joebob5. Austin6. WhiteflameTown2. IlikePie53. Casey_Risk7. WyIted8. Barney9. CatholicApologeticsSo let's get full character claims from the 4 in the scum pool and lynch the worst claim
I'm not opposed to char claiming. I don't think I've seen it really hurt town yet, and the expected value from generating activity is probably worth it regardless.
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Ok this was probably my worst one in a while lol.
Sorry everyone, glad you pulled it through anyway.
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/in
hopefully will actually be able to play this time lol
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Also, sorry in advance for my incompetency. I really was distracted with helping my family with some stuff last night.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Owen_T
Joebob/Savant always clear
whiteflame likely clear
Owen is the only alt but unlikely
try to get at least one mechanical clear tonight
but yea take a closer look at Earth.
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Again, I'm not going to fight against my lynch today.
Earth's justification is okay. Nothing unfakable.
Let's revisit Day 1, starting here.
Earth has two votes. Wylted suddenly shifts to Joebob. He then gives a chat-GPT written explanation for why when WF asks him to elaborate. His tone is panicked, he's tagging everybody and anybody.
He says he's fine with making Earth claim but refuses to actually vote him.
Wylted again defends Earth when Casey questions him. He doesn't take the opportunity at all to try and lynch a townie. Why?
(Also, Casey mysteriously disappears into the night after that. Interesting.)
Going into day 2:
Wylted outs a result that semi-clears Earth. This is well before Joebob claims a contradictory result. Then Joebob comes in and it becomes Joebob vs Wylted.
Earth votes Joe and literally says he's fine with a mislynch.
When it looks like that isn't going to work, he immediately takes the opportunity to call Joebob vs Wylted a possible town vs town fight.
(Also as a bonus, Owen asks Wylted to claim when he already claimed - I think if they were scumbuddies they would at least know each other's claims).
Earth again says that Joebob vs Wylted might be town vs town.
Then suddenly, when Wylted is at L - 1, Earth says he'll consider hammering. There's no progression whatsoever, no reason given for why he's willing to hammer someone he strongly thinks is town.
I think it's just Earth here.
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@Savant
I agree with that. I still want to hear your thoughts on Earth.
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Based on how yesterday went, I'm not sure whether Earth should be entirely cleared. If Earth is town and was visited, Wylted has very limited motivation to both commit to a role claim, and also clear Earth at the same time. Although things eventually went disastrously for Wylted, at the time Joebob hadn't claimed his results yet.
He also initially pressured Joebob, tried at various points to save that Wylted could still be town (e.g. if a shield was given), and hesitated to vote Wylted even when things were clear.
Furthermore, he also tried to redirect the wagon on Earth from Joebob during DP1, even though objectively speaking (sorry Joebob), Earth is probably a stronger town player.
Joebob is always 100% clear here. The genuine frustration from Wylted doesn't make sense if it's all just elaborate theatre, not to mention how many things could easily go wrong with this plan for minimal gain.
whiteflame should also be close to clear. He pushed Wylted throughout the day when he could have easily gotten Joebob instead. His actions today also virtually guarantee he is town. If he knows I am town, then it doesn't make sense for him to claim guilty investigative results when it makes him look really bad if I flip - he has no reason to think that I'm a dunce and messed up my results.
This might be controversial, but Savant should be clear off Wylted's reactions to him. Wylted was clearly annoyed at him, and it doesn't make sense for Savant to bus considering he can't really take advantage of the towncred it brings due to his lack of activity. If it's a bus, it's both the laziest and most convincing one I've seen in a while.
Owen has nothing special going for him. I do want to note that Wylted did say we should consider lynching Owen last DP, so that's a point in his favor.
I actually think it might be Earth here. Discuss?
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@whiteflame
According to my PMs, Pie messaged me at 5:59 AM PST. I just woke up.
I chose Wylted, not Luna. I forgot my target. I don't expect anyone to believe that I'm a dunce rather than a scum, so I'm asking you just give me today to closely read over last DP and find the last scum.
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I just realized I selected Wylted instead of Luna on NP1, so that's kind of idiotic. Probably should have double-checked who I actually selected but I was distracted last night :/
I don't expect anyone to believe this, so just give me day to read through the past day and leave my legacy on who the last scum is so we can win this.
Sorry.
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@whiteflame
Why didn't you wait for me to out my answer from Pie? It does visit, and that would have aligned with your results if you gave me a chance to say so/
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@whiteflame
I’m going to be in flight again (oh joy…) for the next two hours, so I’m not going to be able to respond for a bit, not even able to catch up wholly atm. For now, I’ll say that Austin’s claim is interesting. Does your selection of a target count as a visit or no?
I'll ask Pie. Intuitively I think it probably shouldn't since I also do it during the day, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.
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Owen is probably my top scumread. I think Savant is town because it's pretty rude to bus your partner when you're not active enough to ride the towncred. Joebob is obviously clear. Earth is around null. whiteflame is probably town for that analysis on Wylted, also I don't think Wylted gets that frustrated if he knows his teammate is riding the bus.
So from most scummy to most towny:
Owen
Earth
whiteflame
Savant
Joebob
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@whiteflame
I'm Hans Niemann.
My role is Chess Grandmaster. Each phase (both day and night), I select a player that I predict will be killed (whether via lynching or NK). If I guess correctly twice in a row, then I can choose to gain either a vig shot, roleblocker shot, or commuter shot.
I chose Joebob DP1, Luna NP1, Joebob DP2, whiteflame NP2. I have yet to choose a target for this day phase but have up to 24 hours to do so.
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am very sorry that I haven't had much time to play, dealing with some family stuff.
Wylted is really towny from the posts that I read, I haven't seen him be this self-righteous as scum. Joebob also doesn't really seem interested in pushing him which is what I would expect to see from someone who KNOWS another person is scum.
VTL Joebob
I will claim if people want me to but I'd prefer to claim at MYLO.
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Actually could Casey have interfered by accident with one of their roles last night? Can't discount that
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@WyIted
The former. And for the record, it was never proven, only widely suspected and possibly confirmed by the player in question.
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I kinda townread the people who have initiative to try and move the game forward a bit
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this game started at a really bad time for me, sorry for the lack of activity. I'll character claim if people want me to although it should be pretty obvious
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Instinctively I'm kinda townreading the people who didn't really follow the proper popcorning procedure.
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@whiteflame
So the role itself is basically affiliation-confirmed, you just need someone else to confirm it was you who used it?
Kinda. The only reason I'm specifying this is I don't want to get into a later argument over semantics over what it means to be confirmable.
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@WyIted
I think I know what you're doing. Don't, mafia are going to have to NK me sooner or later anyway.
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@whiteflame
Yes, but it's something of a moot point since even if I confirm it, I can't really prove I was the one who did it.
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My role is theoretically confirmable but very hard to prove it. but should be able to help town significantly if I play my cards right
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ill send in my heroes later (I'm practicing my procrastination skills)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Hey, I sent Wylted a guess that a role like yours existed via PM. Why you no save me? =(
My area lost internet, leading to your tragic and untimely demise.
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I was hoping to use my role to bait a quickhammer in MYLO to out scum lol. Fun setup despite the swinginess. Scum team did well, I was actually townreading Savant quite a bit and Casey's claim was fairly convincing.
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@whiteflame
Wait, I'm actually a bit confused. Are you saying that Savant's ONLY ROLE was the role swapper? How would that be possible?
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@Savant
Not gonna put Savant at L - 1 in case of shenanigans, but:
full claim please.
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@whiteflame
Good job DD for taking out Casey, though if he'd just claimed, I would have at least considered him.I'll start this DP by full claiming: I am John Titor. I softclaimed (it really wasn't that soft, tbh) that I was associated with Steins;Gate back in DP1 and said that my role strongly suggests the existence of a Role Swapper. That's because I can learn of past timelines. That essentially makes me a role cop with an additional twist: I can see both current and previous roles a player had.I targeted Pie during NP1 (I was somewhat sus of him behaviorally DP1), hence I was pretty strongly opposed to his lynch by DD. I didn't think it was likely that scum would just be a double voter, and it looks like I was right.So, I targeted Savant NP2. Casey had "cleared" him by saying that he hadn't moved, which seemed like a risky move that tied Casey to Savant, but was something I thought he might do. Turns out I was right. Savant is Donald Trump. His role is described as "the chaos agent," which is the role swapper. Easy lynch. If I'm wrong, lynch me next DP. Game solved.VTL Savant
This is... pretty incriminating evidence for sure. Fyi, Savant and I did the exact same move a few games ago (where I claimed messenger and Savant said he received a message), so I'd buy that he would do that.
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My role was the reason why the twilight phase was "up to 12 hours", and it's probably not what you think it is. If anyone would like to counterclaim that their role was responsible for the extended twilight, do so now or forever hold your peace.
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@Savant
If Barney is telling the truth about his role, then by MYLO, it will likely be too late.
Not exactly optimal, but I can use it sooner I suppose. I've already verified it can't be roleblocked or interfered with.
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Alright, we force Owen to use his ability tonight, if it works then it should just town-confirm him since that'd be overpowered in the hands of scum.
I'm fine with forcing Casey to full claim. And yes, I am still committing to my promise that if I haven't confirmed myself by MYLO, then you can launch me into the sun.
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I don't think we should view this as clearing for Joebob. If a role swapper is the only ability one of their members have, then it makes sense they would want to use it as soon as possible to get a useful ability for themselves. I was suspecting Luna was a PR with the way he played yesterday honestly.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You need to confirm whether or not you are a role swapper. Either a yes or a no is acceptable (as long as it is true) but we do need a yes or a no.
No.
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