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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@Mharman
DP ends in 1 hour. Please vote, or at the very least give some of your suspicions.
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Actually, that's a rather poor idea, considering I might be in class during then.
If badger is guilty: Korea reads scummy
If badger is innocent: Earth, Pie read scummy
Supa, Mhar, Lunatic read town for me.
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Wonder if this is some last-ditch gambit by badger, or whether he's just given up.
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@Best.Korea
Badger is the most likely to be scum rn, based on available evidence. Obviously it's D1 and we don't have concrete proof, but we don't want this day to end in a NL.
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@badger
Ok, if you're not going to claim, could you at least say why?
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@badger
In which post did you give your reasoning for VTL'ing lunatic?
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@Best.Korea
Lynch badger then. Basically everyone has townread me at this point, and mhar is clearly leaning town. That leaves pie and badger - if your theory is true, at least one of them (or both) are mafia.
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@badger
Why did you VTL Lunatic? It really seems like you're lynching people until something sticks.
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@Best.Korea
Transferring the vote is allowed - several people did it earlier and Wylted counted it in his official vote board.
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@Best.Korea
You're not even in danger of getting lynched rn, since anyone who hammers is obviously scum. Just claim.
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@Best.Korea
Just claim. We're not trying to lynch you unless you continue to be anti-town.
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@Best.Korea
Agreed. IDK why everyone has been tunneling on this.
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@badger
Ok Austin is reading pretty town again. It's TUF for me.
Honestly... this only makes me more suspicious of you. I pushed back aggressively because I wanted to see how you would react. I find it strange you would drop it so quickly if you were suspicious of me, since you would get a similar response from either town or scum.
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@ILikePie5
Not really.
The role guide wasn't super helpful, since it was just a giant list of roles.
The forum guide was good - it was a clear, simple introduction to how forum mafia worked.
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@badger
Austin feels like he's posting a lot and adding nothing. Not that I expect him to add anything, but these "currently" posts really are ugly. Anyone else would just change their vote, not announce to the town that they're debating changing their vote. That telegraphing just reads wrong, as if afraid a sudden switch will draw attention.
That's literally selection bias... If I did change my vote, you would accuse me of trying to lynch people until something stuck. If I don't change my vote but noted that I might (as I did), you accused me of "telegraphing." If I didn't change my vote, then you would probably accuse me of ignoring evidence.
For the record, I do find it pretty suspicious that every single post you've made has been trying to lynch some random person.
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Although I think that Korea's behavior is suspicious, I also think that we might be tunneling on him too hard for what is a fairly trivial point.
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As far as I can tell, the two mafias are perhaps:
- Pie and Mharman, teaming together to frame Korea (certainly possible, especially considering they're veterans)
- Korea and Badger, who have had a suspicious lack of direct interaction - Korea is also dodging a lot of questions
- Lunatic and Korea? Notice how they came to completely opposite conclusions for me, perhaps to show that they're not on the same team
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Currently catching up and debating whether I should change my vote.
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@Mharman
Your logic looks reasonable. I'll give it another look in the morning.
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@Wylted
In the first post, you asked people to help Korea because he was new. Was your non-mention of me deliberate or an accidental oversight?
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@Vader
Well, pardon me for not stalking Lunatic's past games /s
Anyway, it all depends on what you consider new. I'll admit I could have made it more clear, but I think I've sufficiently clarified it by now.
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@Vader
1. Why did you claim you were new to the game of mafia and assuming Wylted forgot about you as well?2. How come you did not state "It has been awhile since I played the game of mafia."3. Why do you suggest that Pie is town for Korea's inconsistencies yet you still town read Korea?4. How come you blatantly ignored the example of lunatic tunneling Pie for a whole game and stating that this behavior is not the form for Lunatic?
1. I claimed I was new because I haven't played Mafia for a while, and knew I would probably do some silly things. My comment to Wylted was a good-natured jibe because I thought it was funny he mentioned Korea and not me.
2. Because it wasn't really relevant? My past experiences with Mafia haven't been great, and my abilities are probably barely above amateur.
3. Generally I find an aggressive DP1 play a towntell, and I'm more suspicious of lurkers. For the record, I still have my doubts regarding Korea, but I don't think he's an experienced enough player to be so active while not giving away some clear scum tells.
4. When did Lunatic tunnel pie?
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@ILikePie5
How about you two explicitly tell us what you do know and what you don’t know about mafia in general and then forum mafia
I read through the entire Captain America Mafia (that was a fun 30 min), and I've also read the Guide to Forum Mafia and the Mafia Role Guide on DART. I would consider myself knowledgeable enough to know the ropes of this game.
I've played three mafia games before, all on a website called chess.com. Two of the times, I got vanilla townie; one of the times, I got doctor. Town lost all three of the times because of the sheer number of inactive people. That's why I haven't played mafia for a while, but I have high hopes for this one.
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VTL Badger
Your actions this game have consisted entirely of lynching people without explanation. Why did you VTL Mharman?
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Looks like we have a nice split decision here... we'd better get some pressure going.
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Currently on a phone cuz math is boriing. Wont be typing much but following alone.
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@Best.Korea
IIRC an ideally balanced mafia game is supposed to have roughly 50/50 chances for both sides. In practice tho, due to poor town coordination, mafia wins like 2/3 of the time.
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@Best.Korea
No matter how well town reads, the same problem with a 5-3 split remains: all town players need to unite to lynch. A single inactive user or dissenter basically throws the game. 5-2-1 is possible I suppose: idk if we're allowed to ask Wylted if there are third parties.
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@Best.Korea
5-3 town-scum would be extremely scum-sided. All five town players would need to unite on a single player to lynch. In addition, if town mislynched on the first day and Mafia got a successful night kill, it would already be a town loss.
6-2 seems far more likely.
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I was mostly suspicious because Korea seemed eager to lynch Lunatic, but considering that badger started it and Korea is fairly new, it makes sense.
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