AustinL0926

You knew what you were doing when you said this. Trying to put it back on me for calling you out is just fucking rude, dude. You can say it wasn’t scumreading, but you’re trying to build a narrative with it that relates to how you see me as scum. At least own that.

Well, if something is 95% likely, its as good as confirmed in a game which just happens to be based on guessing and hoping we guessed correctly. Besides, even mod asked a question about if he should notify a doctor. So, if that doesnt convince you, nothing ever will.

I care that you posted a long response to me, gave specific reasons why you sussed me, and voted me in a series of posts without tagging me on any of them. That’s basic common courtesy. You know how the tagging system works on this site, so yeah, I’m a little frustrated that you posted that much and conveniently kept me out of it. You want to scumread me for calling you out for it? Fine, whatever.

First off, I don't know why you'd give me all these responses without fucking tagging me. That's bullshit dude, especially when you're putting a vote on me.

I guess it depends on what roles are left to confirm him, track him or whatever. But if he dies to protect a town player, it is just as good for town because it wastes scum's night kill and increases amount of future targets for scum (more confirmed town players, so with 1 kill per night, scum cant keep up with town lynch due to too many confirmed town players as targets).

I am not lynching whiteflame this dp. I know even town players can act scummy, so if you think he is acting scummy, its not exactly an obvious choice. 

Still, he is a bodyguard, which I find a bit odd that both doctor and bodyguard are in game, but I am not ready to follow that trail to death now, but wait until more evidence appears in dp2.

I am hoping that at least 2 out of 3 (austin, barney, whiteflame) will confirm themselves, so we are only left with 4 targets (savant, joe, casey, and one of 3 which is unconfirmed). If that happens, our win is mathematically guaranteed.

I dont buy that Earth is scum faking cop. To be clear, almost all games have cop and doctor, so logically, we should consider these roles confirmed when claimed. Also, we cant afford to increase target count from 4 to 6 based on assumption of very unlikely setup, since that greatly decreases our chances.

Somehow, I think you're creating a false dichotomy. I believe that this isn't Joebob's real role based on the evidence I've given (which I note you haven't responded to), and I also believe that Joebob, who we both know to be cautious as scum, would be unlikely to CC Savant on the basis of poor-risk-reward ratio. I have to weigh two likely yet mutually exclusive propositions here and I'd like to see more behavioral evidence to tip the scale. 

I did respond to your "evidence," but you chose to ignore those responses, so fine.

You're tying yourself into a knot here. You believe that isn't JoeBob's actual role, but since you believe he wouldn't CC Savant, you're granting some probability that Moozer created this role, otherwise the CC wouldn't shake your conviction. Fine, so that long post establishing all the reasons Moozer couldn't have done it was not nearly as solid as you made it out to be. 

That's... not confirmable in the slightest. Or at the very least, it's no more confirmable than a role like Barney's decoy last game was. How do we know you're not framing or lawyering or stalking your target? Backtracking on your claim looks pretty scummy imo.

And your "role" is OP because if it really is 100% success rate, then you essentially guarantee that a crucial player, such as Earth, lives for a night (regardless of other interfering factors like roleblocker or strongman, I suppose).

You've clearly been been very selective in your reading of my posts up to this point if you think I'm "backtracking". I said this in post #278: [

I’ve never seen my role given to scum, but it’s also going to be very difficult to firmly prove, so I doubt I’ll ever be fully townread once I claim it.

So I acknowledged difficulty confirming it. What did you want me to say? That I'd probably only confirm myself in death?

Also, you and I have very different concepts of what "100% success rate" means. It means I protect my target at the cost of my life. How the fuck is that OP compared to, say, a doctor who protects their target without cost? Sincerely, I don't have any idea how you view my role as OP, especially since you acknowledge that it can be stopped or circumvented just like any other protective role.

Do you not find it strange in the slightest that whiteflame straight up and said "I'm confirmable" and it turns out his role, is, for all intents and purposes, equivalent to any visiting role (which conveniently, scum always has)? And that he clarified his role right after Earth revealed what flavor of investigative role he is?

Like whiteflame basically has free reign to do whatever he want as long as his NK target and visit target is different if he's scum now. I think whiteflame is smart enough to know what "confirmable" is, and this isn't it.

Trying really hard to push attention onto me, aren't you? I said confirmable with help (fun that you keep leaving that out) and then, when asked to provide more details, stated that confirmation would be difficult even with help well before I full claimed. And for some reason, you're scumreading me for claiming after Earth did. I was only asked to do so after Earth claimed - I wasn't going to just full claim to look townie.

Also, this is all pretty rich coming from someone who has so far refused to claim their role at all, as though that's somehow less sus than claiming after someone who was being widely scumread for his behavior.

I said it was confirmable with help. I would have to be either tracked to my target or watched at my target, or I'd have to just die protecting someone, though my death automatically confirms my role whether I used the BG to guard someone or not.

Also, how the hell is this role OP? I die using it to shield someone else.

Alright, given Earth's claim (which... come on man, at least don't claim you're not confirmable, that's part of the reason you've been pursued all this time for a claim), I agree that it makes sense to just out at this point.

I'm the bodyguard. The way it's framed in my PM is that I have a phantom shield (had to look that up) that I can use to protect others. As for the justification, it's honestly a little confusing, since he said initially that the shield is used to protect myself and others, but it doesn't protect me at all. It's just, as he put it, a "100% succes rate" BG that I can use on anyone (it's not limited to a single character like Sam's was last game and I'm not required to use it).

Alright scum had to have fake claims then. one of these major characters is scum. Austin, whiteflame can you role claim? I have a feeling I know austin is but I think we just mass role claim here because im pretty sure their would be a town cop, didn't expect it to be earth though. One of those major characters has to be scum. Which takes austin and whiteflame back off the "confirmed town list"

What I don't understand is why people seem to be shoving the Savant/JoeBob situation off as a non-issue. I disagree with him, but I can better understand why Barney's pushing a lynch on JoeBob than just ignoring it entirely. I know we don't want to lynch Savant this DP and it doesn't seem like a lot of people scumread JoeBob for his claim (I certainly don't), but we have the information this DP to know that it's likely one of them. If we're not lynching one of them this DP, they need to be top of the list next DP.

This is clearly not the role on mafiauniverse, which functions as a Vig, but it is the role as described on some websites, e.g. https://mafia42.fandom.com/wiki/Soldier. It's not clear from my reading of either that role or the one JoeBob claimed that he can survive any NK, just the mafia NK. Worth asking about, though I'll note that even if it does soak up the Granny shot, it would have to be confirmed by JoeBob that he no longer was BP in order to confirm both of them, and we don't know if he'll receive a message to that effect.

With the Passive skill [Bulletproof], you can survive from Mafia's attack for one turn.

With the Passive skill [Night Watch], you are immune to the skills of Spy, Thief, Swindler and Hit Man. If they use their skills on you, you will be informed of their identity. Sol bf is Cop.

• Moozer got no input from Pie on the role names
  
• Moozer ignored the exact same role being completely different in a previous game
  
• Moozer decided to make a role immune to night kills
  
• Instead of going to either Mafiascum, Mafiauniverse, or Mafia.gg, which all list the role as "Bulletproof"
  
• He went to Mafia42
  
• I'm not even sure how this happens honestly. I searched for "mafia game role ideas", "mafia game role list", "mafia role that can survive kill", and I didn't get a single hit from that website. (Feel free to verify)
  
• Moozer then didn't even implement the role as it's described
  
• Since that role apparently is also immune to negative actions, which Joebob never mentioned
  

Ok. I am soilder. I can survive one mafia NK.

Yeah, despite my belief that all four of the Champions are likely town, you’re the biggest outlier in terms of behavior, timing of your claim, and being unconfirmable. A full claim is in order.

We must lynch someone to confirm Lunatic, however, we shouldnt lynch casey before we get role claim from Earth. His role might give us a clue, especially about if all roles from previous game are used, which is what I am wondering about.

It could help in late game if we get down to 2 scum vs 2 town, but I'll admit it would be very unlikely for him to live that long at this point.

To be clear,

The game is divided on 6 main characters

And 3 (austin, lunatic, savant) who are not main characters.

Lunatic is pretty much confirmed town by the end of this dp.

Austin is, by his role description, most likely town, even tho I am curious about his role.

Now, I dont think scum was given 2 fake claims. They were likely only given 1.

So only 1 out of 6 main characters could be scum.

That leaves Savant as other scum.

I know this logic has its flaws, but I find it hard to believe that scum was given 2 fake claims or that scum had courage to fake claim to be two out of those 6, or that 1 scum was given fake claim of one out of 6 while the other also dared to fake claim one out of 6.

Maybe I am overthinking this, and yeah, I agree that we should let Savant play to dp2, and its up to lunatic to decide, but we are going to have to lynch someone this dp, as I dont think we can have no-lynch because lunatic needs to confirm his role this dp.

I still need to hear from Earth about if his role is confirmable, but so far the only non-confirmale roles are granny and bleeder.

Just realized something. Couldn't we vote for whoever Luna tells us to, and then he gets to keep his power for later? Still puts the onus on him to prove his role tmrw.

Do you have any problem with claiming your role now, since I dont think scum will target you regardless?

Since its a negative utility role, it would help town to know what it is in advance, so if what you are saying is true, do you have any reason not to claim role?

Alright im caught up. You know what? I'll go ahead and full claim, I don't really see any reason not to, except for I guess if I wanted to use wagonomics to see how people voted and reacted, but honestly any analysis garnered from that is more or less WIFOM anyway. 

I am King Roham, the ruler of Hyrule. He's the old man you meet in the beginning of the game. Turns out you find out later on that he is King Roham (kind of a spoiler for me I guess since I haven't got to that part where that is apparently revealed, but it's been a year since I started the game and have only played it a few times casually since picking it up, so it's my fault for not finishing it earlier I guess).

My role is "King" (Ironically a role I've wanted to use myself for a while), I can unanimously decide the day's lynch at any point in the game. Like I said earlier I was planning on using this day phase one anyways, since I usually die pretty early as town (last game was an exception). 

I don't have a ton of reads at the moment, other than I am town reading BK who seems to be putting in a great deal of effort compared to their usual play. I am getting a good feeling from BK overall. Not sure who I will unanimously lynch yet, but I am in no rush. I will use the role at some point before EOD.