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@badger
Tricked how btw?
They didn't like being talked down to, obviously us soldiers were healthy due to miracle American medicine (you cannot convince them we do not have a "cold pill" which lets us operate with all that equipment in the heat), not simply drinking lots of clean water. So I gave the children in that village a tiny subcutaneous injection of saline solution (which I was later told off by a doctor for, because what if they were allergic... Seriously), and told them that the medicine would only work if they followed my instructions on how to clean their drinking water.
Ok worst thing you've ever done?
Every criminal story I've got, had altruistic motives, so really aren't bad...
There's plenty of regrets.
- When I was 18 and escaped, I left my cats behind. As punishment for me for not returning, they were denied basic medicine. I was later informed one of them died from a flea infestation (and yes, they had plenty of flea medicine available; they just weren't given any). I don't know for sure about the other, hopefully just old age.
- Basically everything until I was 18.
- My past treatment of women. I suffered imposter syndrome for a long time, so sabotaged any potential good relationship.
And a bunch of others, but those are the ones which come to mind.
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@Greyparrot
What's the closest you have been to near death?
I've been through a few things that I'm told should have killed me...
The closest I felt to death was when I was in the hospital for a possible Bacterial Meningitis (turned out to just be a migraine), and they gave me a little too much morphine. Feeling my heart and everything else slowing down from it, was one of the most unpleasant experiences of my life. And yes, they did give me Narcan... And then more morphine.
The one time I really should have died was our final mission in Iraq. The kid I trained (we got sent some extra medics midway through deployment, and they came straight from school) ended up being where I was supposed to be on a patrol, and was taken out by an IED.
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@Best.Korea
Everyone should probably copy some top debates from top debaters, because if this site goes down, you are not going to have access to them anymore. Some debates on this site are too good to be lost forever.
Wholly agreed. A good place for backups is: https://web.archive.org/save
Additionally, please post any exceptional ones to: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4688-best-debates-by-subject
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@Double_R
and with the uncertain future of the site...Did I miss something?
See post #9
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@Owen_T
How do you balance your liberal ideology and your religious beliefs?
Religion comes and goes for me, but when I am at my peak levels of being religious I am still just as progressive.
I don't view there as being a conflict. God doesn't hate women, even while some early members of the church did... Nor does God hate children, unlike forced birthers... The important thing is God, not any douchebag who claims to be representing God.
(some days you can plug in the FSM for God; even on this I don't understand why people force a conflict)
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@ebuc
I dont have any extra money. What would it cost to buy Dart?
I don't know. It's a cash drain rather than an asset, so Michael would probably divest for very little if not outright for free; the main thing would just be paying for hosting, domain services, and putting the time in to code and recode it (which most people would be lost at).
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@badger
What's the best thing you've ever done?
In short:
Saved some lives while I was a medic.
At length:
That takes a little explaining... My mind works differently than other peoples, which lead to things like teaching myself literacy...
When I enlisted as a medic, the training standards that were they way they were because they were always that way... As you can guess, I did not care for the appeal to tradition, and as I learned I designed a significantly better training standard and outargued the instructors even as they smoked me. Since they were not brain dead, my standard was taught to every class thereafter.
Oh, and I tricked a ton of villagers into learning how to clean their drinking water, and I think I convinced them to teach others. Dysentery in one of the top killers of children internationally.
Sadly, I lack access to the datasets needed to quantify how many lives were saved by those efforts.
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@ILikePie5
What is your most memorable experience as a moderator?
Sadly, the repeated problem of having to tell people that I do not pre-approve every post on the site. Not just the general trend of this type of thing, but precisely that thing!
There are some good times with it. Like someone in the mod chat used to put quotes from site drama onto South Park characters (it was only funny because of how well it fit each time).
I'll also say that being a moderator helped me to mature a ton. I was happy to engage in flame wars, not even realizing that even if I was in the right, I was being stupid for being in a flame war with some stranger online... I have not lost my sense of humor or anything, but I am more conservative in the application of it.
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@Best.Korea
What are some songs you like the most?
I listen to a decent number of musicals, including TV musical episodes. Beyond that, I average two concerts per month, so my taste is pretty wide.
For individual songs, Higher by Michael Bublé; Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me by U2; Hurt by Nine Inch Nails.
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@thett3
I’ve been off for a while, what’s uncertain about the site?
Michael, the owner, has withdrawn from the hobby of this site, and in July there was an issue where the domain briefly expired.
If the site gets a new owner, it could continue for a long time. If not, sooner or later it will go away.
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@ebuc
1} do have a leaning more or less toward the concept of belief of whether occupied space Universe is infinite { volume size et } or finite?
Finite, even while it might as well be infinite.
2} do have leaning more or less twoard the concept or belief of whether our occupied space Universe is eternally existent in various phases. Ex expanding contracting, all EMRadiation then all quark soup then all plasma etc type of feasible existence?
I did not understand all of that, but we can measure the Doppler Effect to determine both that it is expanding, as well as the age. Granted, we can do thought experiments that things might be different elsewhere in the universe, but until we can test it, we are forced to assume the same laws of physics and such.
3} what trait of humanity gives you the most hope that, the end date for humanity is not going to occur within 100 years?
Weirdly, our overall incompetence. Have you watched The Brink? Brilliant Jack Black show about the start of WWIII, and when Pakistan tries to nuke Israel, their facilities are so bad the missile bay doors don't open. While that was fiction, it spoke quite well of trends.
4} what trait humanity gives you the least hope that, the end date for is coming sooner rather than later in the future?
Our gullibility. Did you know that because John McCain wouldn't brown tongue a draft dodger, he was a war criminal who tortured and burned to death hundreds of our soldiers, and took out an aircraft carrier?! The same people who believe that load of rotten orange, loved McCain as little as a year prior, and would have seen right through those lies had they come from a source on the other side...
So yes, we're so damned gullible, we'll be talked into anything by snake oil salesmen.
5} end date for DArt?
I don't know, but after the outage we suffered a couple months ago I do not trust the longevity. It feels like a reprieve, rather than a new life. So, I'm going to operate under the assumption that the domain won't be renewed again and will expire in July 2025. If it keeps going past that, I'll still be around to help as needed.
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It's been a couple years since I did one of these, and with the uncertain future of the site there is unlikely to be another from me... Might as well do one last one for old times sake.
So, ask me anything!
My previous ones may be found at:
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Those new handless pagers are a real blast!
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@Best.Korea
Hitler also survived many assassination attempts.
My grandpa was involved in one of the many… Norwegian sniper… sadly, Hitler’s schedule was changed in response to another failed attempt on his life.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I was thinking more of lobotomize a few skinheads until they have the IQ of dogs... Err, maybe give them brain stimulants instead to raise them to that esteemed level?
Anyways, you take the dumb as dog skinheads, and have them listen to speeches while measuring their reactions.
It should go without saying that you'd test them with some Hitler speeches first, to get a baseline.
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@Greyparrot
I'd add that "dogwhistle" is massively overused. You don't need to be that over the top overt to gaslight people into what words mean.
I actually haven't heard the term very often, but I'll take your word for it.
Specifically in the case of Trump, most of the racist stuff he says is openly racist instead of subtle signals.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I have seen no mechanism by which "racist dog whistle" could be objectively evaluated.
Well, we could see if racist dogs answer to it? 🐕🐕🐕
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@HistoryBuff
@ADreamOfLiberty
In case either of you are curious, here's a good source on his statement:
He routinely does racist dog whistling, so it's hard to verify if a statement is or is not racist.
Also, the word Nazi is massively over used. If he praised white supremacists that day, it doesn't mean he drank the genocide Kool-Aid and praised actual Nazis...
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@FLRW
OMG, did Trump say that because he is in love with Travis Kelce?
That is the only possible answer!
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@FLRW
Hitler or Kamalabla?
False dilemma. You can hyphenate, or use one as the first name and the other as the last.
If going with the second option, I suggest also photoshopping Hitler’s mustache onto her (works wonders with Michelle Obama)… Oh and anytime anyone accuses you of using photoshop, just claim your pictures are the only non-photoshopped ones.
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@Greyparrot
How the hell do you remember these things.
I don’t… I was looking for a different old topic I had started, and the preview of this one had that bit about dogs.
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I’ve started a little project which will make this relevant again.
I don’t want to spill the beans just yet, but I could really use some more best of the best debates to look at.
Dat’s all I’ve got to say right now.
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I'm a speciesist. This is evident by my consumption of cows, but not of dogs.
It is quite strange how some jokes age…
But yes, as an immigrant I must have lied about my exclusionist behavior towards dogs…
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@badger
GP I remember that pic of you and your son. You were a lard ass among lard asses and he was a dweeby four-eyes. The fuck are you talking about T levels for, you're a hermaphroditic whale.
Whatever else is going on here, leave his family out of it.
Also if he didn’t post picture in this thread, then you’re risking targeted harassment.
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Date: 9/6/2024
Moderator: Barney
Moderator: Barney
IwantRooseveltAgain has been banned for 30 days for targeted harassment.
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@Greyparrot
Took me a moment to catch the joke. Well played!
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Seems weird that so many are “pro-life” without first being pro quality of life.
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@Best.Korea
While this is such a niche bit of the net, it is also unique in the value proposition.
There's several of us on the various discords, usually very low activity levels, but a nice place to stop in now and again.
I know a lot of banned members are on DebateIsland.com
They're basically a really nice comment section for a debate, minus the debate.
Due to their mass spam, and deceptive practices (they promise the moon but don't even know what to sky looks like), I will not be caught dead there.
Reddit doesn't feel like it has the options to host formal web debates. To my understanding, it's just a forum, which would suit most members but not the debaters.
I'm inspired and anti-inspired by EDeb8.com, as it is meant to be the perfect platform, but I suppose in processing power couldn't do it? Plus they're great at coding, I'm an amateur, if I tried to build a formal debate site it would fall well short of their offerings and I would not know how to fix whatever glitches creep up if it even got that far.
I do have one idea cooking in my brain, but it'd be very different to say the least, and I doubt it could foster any community like this. However, it might serve as methamphetamines to the heroine that is formal web debating.
I'll add that with advancing technology, I do not see a future in formal web debating as we knew it.
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@Best.Korea
Admittedly being a cynic, but I advise backing up any data you may wish to look back on later:
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@Greyparrot
We may not post such links, even if it's a public figure. As previously stated:
do not point to the URL of any site hosting said nudes. I.e., you can Google dirty pictures of a certain purple dinosaur, but saying they're at https://www.XXX.PurpleDinosuar is crossing the line (even if not posted outright as a link).
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@Greyparrot
@FLRW
@Best.Korea
I've posted the issue the moderation discord for review, so more may follow. I will however give more immediate feedback...
Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.You can see more nude pictures of Melania on ____________.com
- Melania as a public figure is not protected by the CoC. Were she a site member, this would be an automatic permanent ban (doxxing someone's real name, that they posed nude, and where to find said photos).
- While I am not endorsing telling anyone to look up nudes, but if it ever must be done, do not point to the URL of any site hosting said nudes. I.e., you can Google dirty pictures of a certain purple dinosaur, but saying they're at https://www.XXX.PurpleDinosuar is crossing the line (even if not posted outright as a link).
- The above does not apply to PMs, but consent still does. Sending not requested links to any nudes, is basically the same as sending dick pics. To post those links on the forum, is equivalent to airdropping it.
- Please do not argue over if any nudie photos are "explicit adult sexual material" or not. Some phrasing doesn't need to be explicit for the see-through intent.
- I've checked and double checked, but I cannot find said photos within the biblical book of Jude. That whole book will forever be a disappointment now.
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@WyIted
some asshole told me how season 4 of Dexter ended
Good show for awhile there. I hope the new one lives up to the early seasons... But always weird when there's a true destined end point for the characters.
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Alien Romulus was really good.
There were of course flaws, but it was really nice to see the series have a story told after Aliens…
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Date: 8/25/24
Moderator: Barney
Moderator: Barney
Shila has been banned for one month for the August 2024 incursion of the Silent Majority, which is to say an en mass spam necro-posting; and responding to requests to cease with more necro-posting.
The occasional necro-post is an inactionable offense, but the scale of their chosen actions makes it highly actionable.
Excessive necro-posting fits the site's definition of spam.
Usually spam (saving for ad spam), would net at most a 10 day ban, but that was written with a much lower amount of it in mind; such as if someone created too many threads of the same topic their thread creation privileges could be revoked.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I commend you in your efforts to ensure no straw man is lonely, but rather has whole families of straw people.
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This is all quite applicable to debating.
There have of course been times when I lost track of it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
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Trump deserves the Olympic gold medal for mental gymnastics…
I think I’ve cited that very case in a debate about if he’s racist or not. Contextually, he was calling for the death penalty for those young men, something I guarantee he would not have done if they were white… I make that guarantee, because that’s what crusty old white men in positions of power have done. Death penalty for blacks but as low as six months for whites who commit the same crime (not even counting the literal lynchings of innocent men).
All that said, Trump at least seemed to genuinely believe their guilt when he called for their deaths. It’s a base emotional reaction, amplified by racism, but it’s not evil in it of itself. The police and the prosecution framed them, and frankly did a good job of it. That Trump cannot accept he got tricked says many negative things about his poor mental functioning now, but when he ran the ad he was just of mediocre mental ability.
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@Lunatic
Oddly not yet. I will in next night or two .
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Put me down as a backup.
Also Alien nerd here… The reason the original trilogy feels so odd, is Alien 3 was actually just Alien 2. Like literally. They decided to save a few bucks by using an already purchased Alien 2 script, rather than ever making a sequel to Aliens (we nearly got one made by Neill Blomkamp, but it fizzled in early pre-production)
That said, the unused non-CGI monster effects for Alien 3 are worth looking up. I’m cracking the whip here, they’ll make your day!
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Hall of Fame V
This year the winners were decreased to two per category, in addition to merging miscellaneous and threads so as to be more inclusive while not diluting the HoF. Due to a continuous stalemate on tied runner-up's, three users were still inducted.
Pursuant to the fifth Hall of Fame election process, the following are inducted into the DebateArt.com Hall of Fame:
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WyIted (formerly Wylted... there's an i now)
165 IQ, ex-President of DART, the guy your mother warned you not to hang around with... He's that guy. Homophobic, misogynistic, racist and worst of all a good family man and Christian, this is Wylted.He's apparently funny too, you'd need to hide your wife from him but he's a devout Christian and would never cheat unless it's with Salma Hayek, God allows all men 1 exception, or more as Trump would say.He will get you riled up in all kinds of ways, you can never tell what he'll do next... Well you can tell it will seem stupid until it's not.At first that's your guy, Wylted. Eventually that's your fear, Wylted. Finally, you feel something down there, that's your d- *censored by avid first amendment supporting anti-corporation private military corporation, Ponikshiy Inc.*-RationalMadman
Lemming
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zedvictor4
A proud father, a fan of the cycling cardio machine and an ever-present landmark of the website.Zedvictor4 is a casual poster so you may wonder why he is in the hall of fame. The fact of the matter is that he has the 6th highest post count but 2nd-most likes from posts.He tends to stick 'down the middle' of most issues and offer an almost poetic way of revealing how both sides of things are futile yet isn't exactly pure-neutral when it comes to site users.It's safe to say you don't read zedvictor's posts to be highly stimulated but to chill out and go 'oh so that's the middleground approach I didn't think of' before taking your side and fighting your adversaries in the forums that represents the other side.-RationalMadman
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The exploration of such a taboo subject, when done as well as it is here, is incredibly educational; which is the pinnacle of what debates ought to be.Pro was quite successful in his clear goal of getting the audience to question the status quo on drugs, and he proved that better education would decrease drug death. However, his case highlights the problems of scope creep and interdependencies. Education was not the topic, and can be done independently of legalization. Legalization was the topic, and with so much focus on the other, its success seemed dependent on education.Con showed how concise a good argument can be, with it growing shorter each round. He even brought up date-rape drugs, to which pro had zero defense for their legalization. While giving proper credit, he excellently quote mined authoritative sources on the topic, such that only about half his characters limit were his own words. And he (figuratively) ended the debate on a rare mic drop, having only a single line of arguments in the final round.-Barney
-- Misc.--
This year there is no stand-alone forum category, rather it is combined into a catch-all for what is outside of general user or debate excellence.
If You Have a Random Thought, Post it Here.
This whole thread started because spam threads were outlawed... it serves the same function as a spam thread, but you have to think of a thought in order to post something. So it's able to continue on without mods ruining it, because it isn't a spam thread.I think this thread is a great piece of site culture. And I think it's closer in terms of content to the "Record Attempt at Most Posts" thread from DDO than the DART version that got put on read-only.-MHarman
Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman
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Conclusion
This concludes the induction announcement. Congratulations to all those inducted!
P.S.: Sorry for the delay... Again.
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@Earth
That’s a dumb statement.
Town or scum, does not decide how busy I’ve been with real life stuff.
Town or scum, does not decide how busy I’ve been with real life stuff.
Granted, if I had any game changing magic insights, I’d be telling people to hold off voting while I write them down. I’ve got the general impressions and analysis anyone else should have.
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If you’d all like, I take do the hammer. I’ll give some final reads, and you’ll have plenty of got days remaining to find the remaining scum.
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@ILikePie5
As written by the xenomorph queen (seriously, first thing that came to mind):
Hiss...
You are the Hunter of the Hive, the first of your kind to rise to power among the lesser beings. Your name echoes through the corridors of their history—Barack Obama. The humans tremble at the memory of your ascendancy, marking it as a momentous occasion, as if you were a queen taking her throne in the chamber of the stars.
This election, a battle that shall never be forgotten, signified your dominance. You were awarded their precious trinket, the Nobel Peace Prize, for bringing unity to their fragmented nest.
As the Protector of the Hive, you choose one of your brood each night to shield from the lurking threats, ensuring their survival until the dawn of victory. Your loyalty lies with the town, the collective, and you shall fight to see it thrive. Victory belongs to those who serve the greater good, and you shall lead them to it with the might of a true queen.
Roar of triumph...
You are the Hunter of the Hive, the first of your kind to rise to power among the lesser beings. Your name echoes through the corridors of their history—Barack Obama. The humans tremble at the memory of your ascendancy, marking it as a momentous occasion, as if you were a queen taking her throne in the chamber of the stars.
This election, a battle that shall never be forgotten, signified your dominance. You were awarded their precious trinket, the Nobel Peace Prize, for bringing unity to their fragmented nest.
As the Protector of the Hive, you choose one of your brood each night to shield from the lurking threats, ensuring their survival until the dawn of victory. Your loyalty lies with the town, the collective, and you shall fight to see it thrive. Victory belongs to those who serve the greater good, and you shall lead them to it with the might of a true queen.
Roar of triumph...
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Since that's probably useless, here's as written by president Obama:
Let me be clear,
You are the election of 2008, a turning point in American history. You were the first-ever African American to be elected President of the United States. The name associated with this momentous occasion? Barack Obama. The significance of this election cannot be overstated—it was a symbol of hope, change, and the belief that America could heal and move forward together.
So impactful was this moment that you were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, not just for leading a campaign, but for embodying the spirit of unity and reconciliation that this nation so desperately needed.
As the protector of the people, you have a responsibility. Each night, you may choose one individual to safeguard from harm, ensuring that they see the light of a new day. Your mission is to win with the town, to stand together, to work together, and to ensure that in the end, justice and hope prevail.
Thank you, and God bless.
You are the election of 2008, a turning point in American history. You were the first-ever African American to be elected President of the United States. The name associated with this momentous occasion? Barack Obama. The significance of this election cannot be overstated—it was a symbol of hope, change, and the belief that America could heal and move forward together.
So impactful was this moment that you were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, not just for leading a campaign, but for embodying the spirit of unity and reconciliation that this nation so desperately needed.
As the protector of the people, you have a responsibility. Each night, you may choose one individual to safeguard from harm, ensuring that they see the light of a new day. Your mission is to win with the town, to stand together, to work together, and to ensure that in the end, justice and hope prevail.
Thank you, and God bless.
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@ILikePie5
When I’m on my laptop this evening I’ll knock that out for you. Any particular theme you’d like me to have it redo the PM as?
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@ILikePie5
Smooth job self confirming your role.
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We’re far enough ahead that it’d be highly statistically improbable for us to lose.
I’m 2008, doctor for Obama healing America. Last night I attempted to protect Austin. Obviously the protection didn’t work.
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