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@ILikePie5
Dude that doesn’t work. I can vote Greyparrot and no one will quickhammer him, making him town right?
The difference is that you and greyparrot can both be scum, but you and me couldnt both be scum, and lack of quick hammer would prove one of us is scum.
You were about to be outplayed beyond belief.
Give thanks to Bullish for win.
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@ILikePie5
I asked him 15 times why he thinks me and Wylted are scum. He provides zero reasoning.
Anyone who goes after doctor in dp2 is scum, or at least thats what I thought.
I figured if Wylted is going against doctor and saying that you are confirmed town when you didnt even claim, he is scum.
My mistake in dp2 was choosing Wylted instead of you. He was just so scummy that I have no idea how can that be town play.
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@ILikePie5
Everything what you say is false.
You know very well I could have just VTL Pie in dp3, and it would be obvious you are scum as no one would hammer.
I was planning to do it as soon as greyparrot posts, thats why I said "dont vote until we agree" to prevent everyone else from voting someone else first.
I could have proven that you are scum. It was a perfect plan until Bullish ruined it by voting joe.
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@ILikePie5
That doesn’t mean anything because scum could just be offline
On this site, you can check who is online by going on their profile.
I should have just went with what tarot said and lynch you.
Wylted took my attention in dp2, as I simply couldnt believe town player would say that you are a confirmed town.
I was certain you two were scum.
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@ILikePie5
LVP = Korea
I had 3 trolls on my team.
Wylted said for no reason that you are confirmed town, before you even made any claim of role or character..
And he said I was scum after I claimed doctor.
Joe was just randomly voting people.
Bullish voted despite me specifically saying not to vote before we agree.
Still, well played. I was close to lynching you, but town literally was just trolling me the whole time except Austin.
And we had a bad luck of losing cop in dp1.
It happens.
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I should have just voted pie at start of dp3 and I would prove that he is scum because he wouldnt be insta hammered by anyone.
I still cant believe that tarot correctly predicted he was scum in dp2 post 15.
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@Bullish
So 2 out of 3 vanillas are scum then, if both me and pie are town.
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@ILikePie5
I also don’t think a doctor is possible with basically two town investigative roles.
How certain are you about that?
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If town has 4 vanillas and 3 useful roles, then one of vanilla is scum and either me or pie are scum.
If town has 3 vanillas and 4 useful roles, then two of 3 vanilla are scum.
I will wait to see as situation develops, because all our roles are disabled and neither pie nor I can at this point confirm our role.
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2 town vanillas are already dead.
So town has at least 2 vanillas.
There are 2 scums (vanillas) and 7 town players.
There are 4 role towns (korea, pie, austin, whiteflame)
4 + 2 = 6 out of 7 town..
Only one vanilla in this game can be town, if pie is telling the truth about his role.
Its one of the vanillas, where other vanilla are scum, if pie is telling the truth.
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1. Best.Korea - Doctor
2. Greyparrot - Vanilla
3. ILikePie5 - Tracker
4. Bullish - Vanilla
5. JoeBob - Vanilla
Something doesnt make sense here.
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@ILikePie5
Austin town read me and you know it.
He suspected you a lot.
His final word was to lynch Joe if Wylted turns innocent.
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@ILikePie5
Irrelevant and it’s not 100% necessary to always have a protective role in the game.
What percentage of games have a protective role?
A very large percent.
What percentage of games have doctor?
A very large percent.
So your reasoning only applies in small minority of cases.
It could be a fake role that Mharman gave you. We also know you run gambits like crazy, so it could be that
And by could be, you mean 10% likely to happen?
Well, if you are willing to gamble on 10% likely, go ahead.
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No one else has a protective role except me, otherwise they would claim it in dp2 when I claimed doctor.
No one made a counter claim and you all know that well.
And if I somehow was faking, why would I pick doctor, one of the most common roles and most likely to be cc?
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@ILikePie5
So why do you scumread him for doing that only in DP2 but not DP1?
I literally answered that in text you were responding to.
Has it occurred to you that a confirmed townie scumread you and thus even if you are town you’re scummy af, and another reasonably townie like me would scumread you as well? My point is that this is OMGUS
Confirmed town also read me as town, and suspected you.
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@ILikePie5
So a failed lynch which you just did on Wylted.
You had one failed lynch.
I had one failed lynch.
So you’re just going to ignore DP1 when he hammered 7k series too?
I thought he was new and just obeyed what he was told because everyone else was going that way.
Also why do you not suspect GP and Bullish as much?
You asked me to pick 2.
Joe is about as inconsistent as one gets, and voted on both mislynches while randomly changing votes.
And you are targeting me too much. I know I am town, so your behavior is suspicious to me.
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After roles are claimed, I might change who I wanna lynch.
Joe is vanilla, pie I dont know yet.
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@ILikePie5
Okay, before any roles are claimed,
Ilikepie - 1 failed lynch and an attempt at lynching me, and buddying wylted bit too much.
Joebob - His switching of votes from Wylted to me just seems like he is willing to lynch either of us.
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@ILikePie5
Why did you no longer townread Austin
It seemed that he defended me and my vote a bit too much, almost like he knew it was wrong.
Similar goes for GreyParrot, so I figured the only way to make sure one of them is town is to protect one of them and hope scum targets them.
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@ILikePie5
If you’re somehow town, you need to be blacklisted from games.
Save compliments for later. Lets first focus on not losing this one.
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Okay, so Austin died, so roles no longer work?
You all need to claim now, as your roles are likely not working anymore.
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@ILikePie5
So you thought Greyparrot was townier than Austin? Why?
I didnt. It was random guess to protect him.
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@ILikePie5
You’re not in any shape to tell me what to do.
You know its best for town if we all claim now.
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@ILikePie5
You are claiming a roleblocker roleblocked you as well?
Yes, this night.
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@ILikePie5
Why would you protect GP over someone you townread
I dont town read anyone who is currently alive.
I only town read austin, but when that dp2 ended, it made me doubt him as well.
So without certain town reads, I only wanted to confirm that GreyParrot is town in case he is target, but that didnt work.
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@ILikePie5
Explain why we shouldn’t lynch you
First we should go with full claims.
Dont rush with lynch.
I cant confirm my role in any way now, as there is no cop and I didnt intercept any scum's kill.
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@Bullish
who did u protect
This night, I protected GreyParrot, but there is some role which can stop my role apparently.
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In dp2:
For Wylted - Greyparrot, BestKorea, JoeBob, Austin
Austin is obviously not scum. Wylted is obviously not scum.
So on both votes, common voters are:
GreyParrot, JoeBob
This doesnt have to mean they are scum, as scum can choose to vote in one and not vote in other, or one scum voting in one, and the other in other.
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I also want to analyze votes, so here is who voted in dp1:
For 7k - Pie, Greyparrot, Wylted, Bullish, JoeBob
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@Bullish
I will answer questions best I can.
Then we all claim.
Then we agree who to vote for first, but no voting until we agree.
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@Bullish
I made a mistake. I am sorry.
I was certain Wylted was scum, but apparently thats his town play.
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It takes 3 to lynch, 2 are scums, meaning if just 1 town votes badly, game over.
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Russia isnt even a sustainable country on its own.
Low birth rates, poor economy, war, dying in suspicious accidents...
Why would anyone want to move to Russia?
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Ukraine should just end war by surrendering.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So you understand the philosophy like yoga cat ladies understand Buddhism. Got it.
Yes, thats about right.
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@WyIted
If you turn town and I die before dp3, sure, they can lynch Joe anyway.
My biggest worry is you turning town and me surviving to dp3, because they will turn to lynch me and town will lose, thats already clear so I dont even need to pretend that such outcome isnt possible.
I will admit that lynching Joe was an easier path for me, not sure if easier for town.
It all now depends on if you are scum or town.
This game already put town at great disadvantage. We lost the most important role in dp1, mislynched town and then even doctor got revealed.
But if you are scum, town turns this around.
Well played regardless.
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I guess I can just repeat what I heard top debaters say:
Convince voters or learn what voters want, because they decide who wins and who loses.
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So yeah, I probably shouldnt be giving advice on how to go up on leaderboard, because I really dont know lol
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I am number 3 on leaderboard when you count backwards.
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I think one should operate on a principle:
Do not cause pain to anyone.
If someone causes you pain, you can either apply punishment or forgiveness.
In life, I usually find rewards, verbal punishments, deenying things and forgiveness to be sufficient to handle most issues, because
1. All are legal and you dont need to beat anyone up and wont cause more problems than it solves
2. You can actually control people through rewards.
If you help/reward someone who harms you, you actually greatly improve your relationship with that person.
You just need to learn their interests and what is it that they want.
3. Verbal punishment often hurts more than a beating.
4. Denying something to a person actually motivates them to think about their actions
5. Forgiveness is easy and doesnt require effort.
I was never in a fight for my whole life, so I think I am using the right method given that I was even in prison and even survived there without having to attack anyone.
Of course, these are not simple tactics to use. One actually has to sense which option to use at a time and using only one of them is usually bad.
For example, if you just use verbal attacks all the time, you are just gonna make enemies.
If you just use forgiveness, you will become bully target.
If you just reward people, people will take a lot from you.
If you just deny things to people, they have no motivation or reward to actually cooperate with you.
Turning the other cheek is much more than just turning the other cheek.
It even worked well for Jesus, because he broke 100 laws in few days, and if he in addition to that didnt turn the other cheek, he would get nailed on day one.
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@Mall
Yes.
Thats a lie, because life without pain would be better even if there are no any gains.
Even death is better than life in pain.
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@Mall
Thats a good answer.
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@Mall
There is no beneficial pain, as every good thing which possibly comes from it is greatly outweighed by bad things, and they are not separable either.
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Of course, the non-contradictive rules often get complicated, so the first list of perfect rules is most simple to follow.
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Lets first begin by perfect rules:
1. Do not cause pain
2. Do not cause destruction of life
3. Do not cause reduction in happiness
4. Do not cause reduction in freedom
5. Do not cause decrease in knowledge
These are perfect rules because they cannot contradict each other. They are most perfect rules to follow, as neither part of them contradicts the other.
Now lets move onto non-perfect rules:
1. It is good to reduce pain and not cause pain.
2. It is good to save lives and not cause destruction of lives.
3. It is good to increase happiness and not cause destruction of happiness.
4. It is good to increase freedom and not cause destruction of freedom.
5. It is good to increase knowledge and not cause reduction in knowledge.
These are non-perfect rules right now, because they contradict each other and one often excludes the other.
But if we unite them together, contradiction disappears:
"It is good to reduce pain and save lives and increase happiness and increase freedom and increase knowledge and not cause pain and not destroy lives and not destroy happiness and not destroy freedom and not destroy knowledge."
This is perfect rule, as it can only be applied when all of its parts are true, so there is no contradiction between them as they only apply when they all are true.
So this rule and first list of perfect rules can work together, because first rules tell what shouldnt be done while this one tells whats good to be done.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you've been reading Rand you need to keep reading because rights don't contradict
I only read 1 page of Atlas Shrugged and some of her quotes which say what I said.
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@WyIted
BK is not going to die tonight. If he does it makes the game easier.
Are you suggesting that you are town and scum will spare me because I am the next lynch, and they win because I get lynched in dp3 at 3 - 2?
Honestly, I considered that possibility, but that possibility only works if you are town as well.
I was thinking to just lynch myself this dp to avoid that outcome, but it would again put us at 3 - 2 and then you would be the next lynch.
If we are both town, I will admit that scum has outplayed us greatly.
But if you are scum, then I am certain scum loses this game.
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@AustinL0926
If Wylted isnt scum, it will be very hard for town to win, but I am 90% sure he is scum.
The other scum might be pie or bullish, but joe seems to have accidentally lynched wylted as you both posted lynch vote at about same time.
I am not sure how to read joe, but him switching from me to wylted to me again... I think he just goes with path of least resistance and quickest lynch.
I know some people who were town in past games and were eager to lynch someone, anyone, just to move game forward.
I admit that I could have lynched Joe and could have led the lynch on him, so if joe is scum, its my fault for not going for him.
But if wylted is scum, then town almost certainly wins this game.
It was a gamble on my side, and I went for it.
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