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I tend to trust big companies over small companies.
Its just that small companies tend to disappoint more often, where big companies have reputation to hold.
Really, if you want any product, just look at top 2 companies who produce it - thats likely where the most quality is.
Small food stores often give me crappy food, especially if they are the ones making it.
Thats because workers in small stores are under less supervision. They do a poor job and no one cares enough to check.
But walk into any big company's store, and you not only get more choices and better prices, but also quality.
Small stores cant compete, but not because big stores cheat, but because big stores offer better quality and price.
Its same for almost any product. Buying from small producers will almost never give you better quality than buying from big producers.
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@Double_R
focus only on one small part
Sticking to one point and ignoring everything else is a fine strategy for trolling, and a common one here too.
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@Double_R
That's because biology is not the either/or that simpletons like yourself seem to think.
That was unwarranted.
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@Mall
As long as we define perfect as that which doesnt need to be changed by the person, any intentional change in skin color would make the original skin color unperfect from the point of view of the one who changes it.
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@TheUnderdog
What links do you know of that confirm your position?
Well, I hope it wont derail the topic, but basically all studies show that spanking doesnt work.
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@Mall
Tattoo doesnt really compare to clothes. Clothes are worn because you have to wear them and they are much easier to take off and are taken off much more often.
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
I rest my case.
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@Greyparrot
So not only do you assume that bribing Trump is unnecessary and that its enough to just bribe one part of USA, but you also assume that Trump helps Putin achieve his goals.
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@Greyparrot
So you assume Trump helps the enemies of democracy?
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@Greyparrot
So you assume that.
You also assume Putin supports Trump for no reason. You assume Trump as president doesnt help Putin.
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@Greyparrot
So you assume it would be neccessary to bribe just one part of USA to undermine it, and you assume China wouldnt take the extra step of bribing president Trump to make sure.
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@Greyparrot
No, you just assumed it would be unnecessary to have help from Trump as president to undermine a country.
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@Greyparrot
So you assume Trump can help undermine a country as president?
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@Greyparrot
Show us where wiki assumed that Trump cant help undermine a country as president.
Did you know that Putin supports Trump? Do you just assume he supports him for no reason?
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@Greyparrot
Thats your assumption, where you assumed that president cant help undermine a country.
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@Greyparrot
You assume China cant bribe both them and Trump? You assume China would only bribe one of those two parts? Eh, you and your assumptions.
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@Greyparrot
There are many chiefs in DC. A great many greedy chiefs. Most of DC is devoted solely to the lobby business.Most federal lobbyists are based in Washington, DC; an estimate from 2018 suggested that the count of registered lobbyists who actually lobbied that year was 11,656.
So you assume they will undermine a country, and you assume a president cant undermine a country or add to its collapse.
Well, good luck with your assumptions.
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Well, people only trust science when it suits them.
Science does say that spanking is bad, but most people still spank children.
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@Greyparrot
He cares about neither.
Thats your assumption. 😉
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
Let me demonstrate.
Hey Greyparrot,
You just assume that Trump cares about this country more than he cares about money. When China bribes Trump to screw up USA, it will be MAGA's fault.
I rest my case.
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@Double_R
What Trumpers have learned from Trump is that critical thinking is irrelevant. If you are confronted with a fact you would rather not hear, the source of that fact in some way will always originate with a person, so all you have to do is figure out who that person is and search through that person's history for any blemish you can find. And when you find something, anything, you get to just hand waive away anything that came from them. And if others said the same thing, well then just categorize them all into one bucket and paint them all with the same brush. Crisis averted. This is MAGA 101, and it works everytime.
Dont forget dragging debate into assumption reasoning.
"So you assume those officials dont have hidden interests and are just working to improve our country? Well, good luck proving that assumption!"
I learned that any rational conversation can be quickly turned into meaningless rant as soon as you add relevant assumption which the other side cant disprove and you cant prove.
It forces conversation into meaningless rant where neither side can defend or prove their positions or disprove other side.
I know that I introduced that tactic few days ago, but I probably wasnt thinking straight and I just gave all MAGA here the ultimate weapon against any reasonable discussion.
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@Greyparrot
US enemies love Trump.
Putin's position on chess board largely depends on if Trump becomes president, because Biden is kicking his ass back to Moscow.
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@Greyparrot
Its not, because we already know that US enemies are happier with Trump as US president.
The only question now is why do you support US enemies?
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@Greyparrot
Looks like you just made a bunch of assumptions there.
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@FLRW
Putin must pray to Lucifer every night that Trump is elected President.
Makes you wonder why US enemies want Trump as president, and why should we help US enemies get what they want?
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I went with estimation that there are 30 million poor people in USA.
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There are three types of free healthcare:
1. Private payed by government.
2. State owned
3. Private payed by the poor with money provided by government which doesnt include obligation to spend on healthcare
Lets examine these 3, and why only 3 works well.
In case of 1, what happens is that private doctors know that government will pay any expense for the poor people, so private doctors do lots of unnecessary procedures and examinations on poor people,
essentially wasting resources and causing overcrowded healthcare system.
In case of 2, doctors get lazy. State-employed doctors often care much less since they dont make profit from helping patients.
In case of 3, poor people would be able to choose if doctor gets the money and which doctor gets money. They get to choose which examinations to have and which not.
So it seems that case 1 is the worst, case 2 is only slightly better, and case 3 is poor people spending money according to own interest, which is most optimal.
Of course, how to implement 3 is a bit more of a question. Do poor people get free income? Do they get money if they get sick?
Its a question because not all poor people have same healthcare requirements. Some have much more healthcare needs than others.
I am thinking that government should have a group which examines the cases, and sends money accordingly.
What must be noted is that almost every system of free stuff is open to either abuse either not being effective enough.
Technically, giving poor people 500$ per month would help them a lot, but it wouldnt help much in cases of severe illness which takes more than 500$ to treat.
I dont support universal basic income, since I dont see the point in giving money to both rich and poor equally.
Technically, you are only supposed to give money to the poor or poor unemployed, but not in enough amount to make it preferable to be unemployed.
So I am guessing poor people should be getting 500$ per month. Thats 6000$ per year, which is about 180 billions in total for US.
Its not a significant cost per year, where universal basic income would be much higher (1,8 trillions).
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You guys and your WAPO spam. Not all of us want to pay to read that.
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@cristo71
Well, I dont know that, because capitalist mode of economy, the private buisness, has always been mostly or partially the basis of working economy.
Some countries did try to abolish private buissnesses and introduce socialism, but that didnt work.
I am guessing if we ever reach the point where robots do all the work, including the work to produce more robots and fix them, private buisnesses only then might be abolished or reduced significantly.
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@cristo71
I believe it should be printed just enough to prevent deflation or cause 1% inflation.
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@Greyparrot
Ah, more of your "I dont trust data which doesnt support my world view" nonsense.
Trump dropped more bombs than Biden or Obama. Thats just a fact which you cant swallow, because it doesnt suit your conspiracy theory.
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@cristo71
It is not the zero sum game you imply.
Not when money is printed.
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@Greyparrot
That's the kind of numbers the Military Elites demand.
So your theory is that military elites were less happy with Trump than Obama, despite Trump dropping more bombs and selling more weapons?
You ride along with your little 8 billion number assumption though.
Hey look, you lied again.
"The United States sold $55.6 billion worth of weapons to allies in fiscal 2018, a massive 33 percent increase over 2017 as the Trump administration has given the Pentagon and State Department a green light to sell more, more quickly, overseas."
Any more lies you want to throw around?
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@Greyparrot
Ah, I see. First you lied that Trump sold less weapons, and now you are just ranting assumptions.
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@Greyparrot
He sold a lot less bombs around the world, leading to world peace.
Hey, look at that, you lied again.
"Arms sales have increased dramatically under Trump's watch, with Saudi Arabia as a top customer. Exports of major arms from the US grew by 23% in comparing the periods 2010–14 and 2015–19."
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@Greyparrot
Because drone strikes are the only ways to drop a bomb.
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@Greyparrot
Trump is a peace loving president?
The dude dropped more bombs than Obama.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Billionaires aren't billionaires because they literally have billions of dollars.
No, they obviously have 0 dollars in cash, or just 1000$. I mean, do you honestly believe billionares spend all their profit?
Paying people doesn't add value to the market. People producing things to sell does. Wages don't add value, working does.
Oh, you dont know? If there are no wages, people cannot buy anything. Paying people wages is essential to the market.
The only rule is that whatever unit of value I compute in has to show a net gain or else I'll run out of value.
Okay, so how will you pay wages 500$, and earn 200$, and not run into a loss of profit?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
... but I have a bunch of sticks and a car.I'm the loser in this scenario?
Yes, because you cant earn money. I thought it was obvious. Thats what happens in capitalism when money is extracted from the economy.
Not magic, deflation
I have already explained to you that prices of ingredients cannot magically drop unless wages of those who produce them also drop.
Yep, that's what "uniform deflation" means
Sadly for your fantasy economy, even if all prices dropped proportionally at the same time as well as wages, you would still have battle for profit because wages have to be payed and those who had more profit before can afford higher wages, therefore taking over the buisness who pays workers less.
But if a buisness who runs into deficit simply lowered wages of its workers and prices, but other buisnesses did not do the same, the workers in that buisness would starve because all other prices would be higher than their wages.
And thats assuming you could lower price. Cost of production, machines and materials will not drop any time you need reduction in price of your products.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Or think of it in this way.
Trade only works if no one is saving.
If I sell you a stick for 5$ and you sell me a car for 5$, thats equal trade.
But if I sell you a stick for 5$ and refuse to buy your car for 5$, I now have 10$. And I can invest 5$ to produce more sticks to sell it to you until you run out of money and I get rich.
Capitalism makes rich richer and richer. They keep draining money from the economy until they take it from everyone else.
The rich, who save money, are the only ones benefitting from your deflation.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You do realize that if they can't keep it forever it's not really out of circulation?
New rich people come after them, so yes, they can keep it forever.
You can if the value of the currency goes up or more people buy the product. In this case we're talking about the value of the currency going up.
You obviously miss the point, again.
If you pay worker 1000$, and you sell total product for 1200$, you earned 200$ profit. You cannot reduce price of total product to 900$ and sell it for 900$ while paying worker 1200$ and still expect to make profit. Wages must go down if price of total product goes down.
Reducing wages and price of total product again creates same scenario where there is less and less money in circulation, profits drop because people keep extracting money from the economy.
Your deflation solves nothing.
Burger is $1 today, and $0.99 next year, but if everything else is 99% of the price next year then the value gained by selling the burger hasn't changed at all.Let's look at an extreme example to make it obvious:You sell burgers. You buy milkshakes and burger ingredients.Burger ingredients cost $0.80. You sell burger for $1. You buy milkshake for $0.20That milkshake is your profit. The worth of your labor (your wage as it were). Wages are the profits of employees.Oh No! Massive but uniform deflation occurs!Now burger ingredients cost $0.40. Milkshakes cost $0.10. If you tried to sell a burger for $1 everyone would go to your competitors. You sell it for $0.50Now you're saying (because you don't understand money) that "my wages have gone down, it's the end of the world" and I'm saying "You can still buy a milkshake for every burger you make and sell"
So in your example, prices of ingredients magically dropped, your wage dropped to exact same what it was.
And thats all irrelevant, because any money removed from economy as profit cannot be made up for in price reduction, as making profit and keeping it takes money away from other buisnesses, causing them to collapse. And wages must constantly drop as a result.
Since amount of money on the market constantly decreases, and buisnesses cannot make profit without some other buisness being in deficit, it follows that many buisnesses are doomed to collapse.
Kinda like, if I pay my workers 500$, and you pay yours 500$, the total value we put to market is 1000$. So if I earn 800$ from selling to that market, you can only earn 200$. So one of us is doomed to fail.
Thats how capitalism without printing money works.
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@FLRW
I know its possible to survive for long on very little food. There are ways to reduce calorie needs.
Sleeping more means you burn less calories, since people burn less calories when they sleep. Drinking less water means you burn less calories, as body burns calories to heat water you drink.
Drinking less water and drinking in smaller amounts per drink also means your body needs less energy to heat water you drink.
Eating once a day burns less calories. Reducing calorie intake reduces the amount of calories you burn. Not breathing fast or deep reduces calories you burn.
Lack of masturbation also reduces amount of calories you burn. Delaying pooping/pooping less often lowers calories you burn.
So when you reduce calories you burn, you need less calories and therefore less food.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Are they immortal? No.
You do realize that they dont need to be immortal to extract money and keep it for decades?
Nobody cares about dollars. They want value. Goods and services. Dollars are just trading tools and (rational) people only care about them to quantify the relative value of goods and services.The profit of a burger joint is entirely defined by how efficiently they produce burgers vs how many people with things to trade want those burgers.It doesn't matter at all if the burgers cost $10 one year and $0.98 the next. It doesn't matter if they were sold for bitcoin or gold coins.
The profit is determined by earnings minus cost.
Deflation isn't a strategy it's a phenomenon. The name for the increasing value of currency due to the increasing production.
Irrelevant.
Yes. Why does that make "capitalism" (economic liberty) impossible?
I never said it makes it impossible. I said it demands money to be printed.
No, still the exact same amount. If you "have" to reduce wages that implies you aren't sitting on an ever growing pile of currency.
Okay, you are obviously trolling.
Wages are cost of production. Prices of product determine how much you earn.
You cannot reduce the price of total product and have equal earning.
With lower prices, you earn less so profit falls.
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@n8nrgim
cause the only bad thing about inflation is that it erodes the spending power of savers who dont invest.
Printing money to prevent deflation or cause a small 1-2% inflation is fine.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Human economies ran just fine for the 8000 year we used gold.
Gold was also produced. They used gold coins to make more money. The amount of gold was increasing.
But there is no record of their economies being good. In fact, poverty and war for resources were too common.
Their economies mostly consisted of small trade.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You're going to spend that $1200, so nothing is out of circulation.
Actually, there are plenty of billionares who dont spend all their money, and they only spend to earn more.
In fact, it would be silly to assume that buisness would spend all extra money for any purpose other than to get even more money from the economy.
This less money/value, which in of itself is not deflationary so long as the dynamic value (how much is traded) doesn't change. Unfortunately the dynamic value tends to grow with static value; in fact there isn't much in the way of static value besides land and very well designed buildings.Deflation doesn't cause the collapse of anything if it's slow enough. Just a slight impedance to coinage and/or dealing with decimal places.Deflation favors savers. Uniform inflation favors investors in real assets. Thieving inflation (what governments do) is no different from counterfeiting, favors the people who manufacture the money.
The deflation itself would cause a fall of profit in buisnesses, leading to race to the last dollar.
In fact, with same amount of money always in economy, deflation doesnt solve the issue, but adds to the issue, as the ones capable of lowest prices are the ones who already extracted most money from the economy.
And with deflation, wages would also have to constantly decrease because its impossible to pay worker more than you earn from him.
Also, deflation would just add to the profit loss since anyone lowering prices without previously lowering wages would face profit loss, and if wages are lowered then there is even less money circulating.
In other words, deflation would cause even more buisnesses to fail.
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We all know how buisnesses work. Each buisness tries to make profit. Profit, by definition, means earning more money than you spent.
So each buisness tries to take more money from economy than it put in it. The more profit buisnesses make, the more money is taken out of circulation.
Think of kinda like this. I invested 1000$. I got 1200$. Now there is 200$ less dollars in circulation than it was before.
Therefore, the more profit buisnesses make as a whole, the less money there is in economy.
This would produce an effect where buisnesses have to fight and fight until there is not much money left, causing collapse of economy.
Thats why money printing is mandatory in capitalism. The extra money which would be injected into economy increases profit rates by increasing available money to make profit from.
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@blamonkey
Neo-Nazis get tattoos. I don't think it's because they hate their skin color.
You gotta appreciate how they think white is the perfect skin color, but then they decide to paint it in different color by getting tattoos. I guess they didnt think it was perfect in appearance.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Makes the punishment for armed rob is ..Forced ( man laying with / men. )Thats somewhat a little hash isn't it.They dont force male homosexual to lay with females do they.
People sometimes even tend to turn gay in prison.
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