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@YouFound_Lxam
Knowing something in advance does not = creating that thing.
Yet God created humans, causing the absence of God in humans. He knew it will turn out like that. He still did it.
Even if you knew that your child would suffer and go through those self-inflicted hardships, you still did not create those hard ships.
Sure you did. If you knew that your child is going to be a criminal, choosing to give birth to that child makes you responsible for why there is 1 more criminal in the world now.
If you knew that your child will suffer greatly, choosing to give birth to that child makes you responsible for its suffering.
There is simply no way to escape responsibility.
You know that action X causes bad outcome. You choose to do action X. Therefore, you are responsible for the bad outcome.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Are you saying that smartphones are more expensive now per use value?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I already gave you the example of bananas being increased by 5 cents. So no big difference.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Since you dropped that price of food, rent, healthcare and smartphones didnt increase by as much as you claimed, even decreased in some cases, I dont see whats there to talk about. I am not interested in your ranting or your opinions about how cement is expensive.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There are millions of products on the market, but most common is rent, food, healthcare, smartphones.
Did you know that smartphone prices have significantly dropped per use value.
In fact, a 4gb ram smartphone costs much less now than it did in 2019.
And I have already covered rent and bananas.
And Biden has covered healthcare, so people pay less for it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)
I didnt realize you were buying cement.
Should have bought banana instead. Its price has increased by only 10% since 2019, negating your claim of minimum 20% increase.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-year
Thats average for all apartments, including luxury ones. My link was talking about simple one bedroom apartments.
If it wasn't before the job loss than the total was not as of Jan 1st 2022.
Maybe you dont understand that government doesnt post statistics at the same time every year?
20% is the lower limit.
This is your assumption which you did not prove with any data.
It's from 2022 according to BLS. Whether it is from Jan or end of year I don't care
It makes your data outdated.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.
Its a price of a one bedroom apartment. You can see that same prices are here:
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@sadolite
It was just bread, milk, chocolate and meat, the day I got food poisoning.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Your logic is equivalent to me saying:I created a child. That child despite my best efforts chose to separate itself from me, therefore I created that separation.It doesn't't make sense.
It doesnt until you realize that your God has omniscience and knows outcomes in advance.
So he cannot say:
"I thought that human will turn out good".
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@YouFound_Lxam
But the absence of God was already a possibility before humans existed.
The absence of God in humans was not a possibility before humans existed.
"Absence of God" "in" "humans" are three conditions, all of which must be met in order for there be an absence of God in humans.
There must be humans.
There must be absence of God.
Absence of God must be in humans.
The sentence clearly tells us that absence of God is located in humans.
So if humans dont exist, there cannot be an absence of God in humans.
Let me explain it to you in a different way.
There cannot be humans with absence of God in them if humans dont exist.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Rent in 2023: 1180$
Rent in 2019: 1062%
Increase in price: about 11%.
So apparently, some prices only increased by 11% since 2019, where wages increased by over 20%.
Therefore, we see that your claims of 50% price increase may have been the drunk talk taken outside of average price.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
"In 2020, BLS derived totals of 10.5 million establishments, 139.1 million employed, and $8.9 trillion in wages"
"In 2019, BLS derived totals of 10.2 million establishments, 148.1 million employed, and $8.8 trillion in wages"
So not before the job loss, but thanks for playing.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?For what reason?
Because unemployed people dont get the money and the rich get more instead?
Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.
Wow, you walked right into that one.
"10496" is from january of 2022.
Its from two years ago.
So if it increased by just 2% since then, it follows:
21% >20% rise in prices.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I checked again.
Your data is from january of 2022.
So it doesnt even include year 2022.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.
My data is from late 2023. I already posted it. Did you forgot?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
10496/8905 = 118%
In 2019, it was 8769.
2020 doesnt count, due to high unemployment rate.
Thats why I was comparing 2019 to 2023.
You compared 2020 to 2022.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Your data for total wages ends in 2022.
Its 2024.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.
Yeah, trusting official data is just as bad as trusting random people on internet.
Just like I can call BS on your borrowed claims. Which I did.
Ah I see. So you had to impose a standard where I "cant trust anyone and everything is false except personal research which I cant even prove I conducted and cant even conduct on large scale."
Good luck with that.
In the end, your standard destroys your own claims, because we cannot blindly trust you. Therefore, nothing to complain about under Biden regarding economy. Sounds like a win for me. I dont know what you were trying there.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own.
Sorry, I thought you came here to debate about wages of entire USA, but you just came to compare your friend's wages to friends of other people here.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results.
Great. So I can reject your complains.
Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off.
Data really isnt about what masses (who cant do math) think.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Okay, I will try this one more time with you.
You are saying:God created humans. Humans created evil. Thus, God created evil.There are fundamental problems with this statement.1. Humans did not create evil. Evil is in its purest form, the absence of good, which is God.Therefore, God creating humans does has nothing to do with the creation of evil.
Let me make it simple.
God created humans. Humans chose the absence of good(God). Therefore, God caused the absence of good(God) in humans.
See? Changing label does nothing to the causation link.
Now go ahead, say what you dont get about this.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
there is no point in asking you to justify your borrowed claims
You mean other than plenty of research sites being on my side, none being on your?
And if we dont trust any data, then I dont trust your data either, reducing your claims to nothing and then you have nothing to complain about under Biden.
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You trust they collected the data. You trust that the data they collected has no sample bias. You trust that they made sound calculations from that data. You trust that they aren't committing equivocation fallacies (changing the meaning of words).
Plenty of sites collected the data about average wages and prices in 2019 and 2023.
You of course collected the data of what, 10 people?
10 out of 200 million.
I guess you can see right now why I am not going with your data?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I actually had the idea that anyone who wants to vote or run must memorize and be able to repeat basic laws of logic, morality, laws of assumptions, and certain events from US history.
A simple test that currently 70% of Americans would fail.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data.
I see. I should trust you over people who have actually collected the data.
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He should have used the military long before that day
This is one of those things when you wish its a joke, but you know the person is serious.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
then what about those 9.6 million people who lose their jobs?
That was under Trump. Most of them got the jobs back under Biden. Biden has lowest unemployment rate.
No wage increases for me none for anyone I know
I guess we are just supposed to trust you over any official statistics.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I am not going in circles. I already refuted those points. You just somehow forgot that and brought them up again.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I have already explained to you the causation link. I am not going in circles with you anymore.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I am saying they deserve to live, no matter the outcome, because everyone deserves life.
Its immoral to create evil people and then burn them alive for eternity. There is nothing "nice" about such life which your God creates. It just makes God himself evil, so now he must burn himself too.
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Many countries tried to solve low birth rates by offering rewards.
What must be understood is that these rewards themselves are virtually meaningless and low. The mere cost of raising children outweights these rewards.
It is more profitable to be without offspring.
So naturally, to counter, state must make it more profitable to have offspring, and not at all profitable not to have offspring.
So, a tax on people without children!
The less children you give birth to, the more tax you pay!
The tax should first apply on people who are 18-22 years old, because highest female fertility is at ages 15-22, and 18 is when you should be paying taxes.
Some countries have very low birth rates, such as Japan and South Korea, and unless they introduce some punishments for not having offspring, these countries will cease to exist in few hundred years.
The lowering of birth rates is a slippery slope. When birth rates lower, population gets older. Older population is less fertile, causing further decrease in birth rates, which further makes population older.
Its a cycle which, if not broken, guarantees country's collapse.
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Trump must lose way more than 35 lbs.
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@Stephen
So you preferer to totally ignore the holy scriptures and rewrite them.
Many Christians know by now that Bible cannot be understood literally.
Literal interpretation of the Bible is not only self-contradicting (New Testament says that Old Testament will always be valid, then says its no longer valid),
but there is no way to practice it.
To enter heaven directly, you need to be:
1. Virgin
2. Poor
3. Give all your wealth to charity
4. Basically donate your house
5. Not have any extra clothes
6. Pay for other people's healthcare
7. Share your food to anyone who doesnt have it
Obviously, only a very small percentage of Christians qualify for this, none of them are on this site because access to internet means you arent poor.
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@YouFound_Lxam
If your child grows up, and they do as they please, and then blame you for their bad deeds, is that logical?
If you knew that your child will be evil, then yes, its your fault for that evil since you willingly and knowingly took action to bring that evil into existence.
Of course, I already answered this once, but you ignored the answer just so that you could pretend to defend 2000 year old nonsense which doesnt stand up to this century's criticism.
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@Greyparrot
"Real weekly earnings for the median worker grew 1.7 percent between 2019 and 2023.[3] This means that one week of pay for the median worker now buys more than a week of pay did in 2019, despite higher prices."
And the growth continues.
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@Greyparrot
You do realize that everyone has more than they had in 2017-2019?
The lowering of wages which you refer to can only be called "lowering" when compared to sudden increase in wages in 2020, last year of Trump.
Why did sudden increase happen in 2020?
Because Trump put a bunch of money in economy, and increased unemployment. It was, by all means, temporary increase which could not have been sustained. Trump knew that, but it was his last year as president, so he went for it.
"Wages grew historically fast between 2019 and 2020—6.9% for the typical or median worker—but not for good reasons. Wages grew largely because more than 80% of the 9.6 million net jobs lost in 2020 were jobs held by wage earners in the bottom 25% of the wage distribution"
As I said, everyone has more than what they had in 2019.
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@Greyparrot
let me know when that 20% price increase in all goods since 2020 is eliminated. That way people will say Biden didn't screw anything up.
You can do the math yourself. Its called statistics based on expected values.
Inflation per month: 3%
Wage growth per month: 6%
Difference: 3
20/3= close to 7
So 7 months.
But we already had 5 months of these values, so 2 more months.
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@Greyparrot
You do realize that that score has to be maintained for a year for it to have any meaning?
Let me give you a clue. Wages now grow faster than prices.
Employment is growing.
The current wars are the only downside, but the point is that no US president would stop supporting Israel, and ceasing to support Ukraine means Putin wins.
So while polls reflect a current opinion, they dont reflect an opinion a year from now, and American's opinion has always been a flip flop.
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@Double_R
Well, USA has free speech guaranteed in its constitution.
So does North Korea.
But just because something is guaranteed by constitution, doesnt mean it will be guaranteed in reality.
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@Stephen
Tradesecret did make many absurd claims, but the claim that pointing gays towards religion that will condemn them is "beneficial", its just nonsense.
One must ask: Who benefits from that?
The Church which once used to put gays to death, now when short on members, expects gays to join the Church claiming its "beneficial".
So why wasnt it "beneficial" in the past?
One must take note how Church's opinion changes with the amount of members it has and with the amount of power it holds in society.
Likewise, tradesecret's interpretations of the Bible change to suit the times.
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@TheUnderdog
- Generally bad idea
In most cases, its a bad idea.
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@sadolite
Sounds like your generation assumed Wonder Woman's gender!
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Wait.
In free market, money would be printed too.
Every exchange currency would have someone capable of producing more of it.
In free market, money would be printed too.
Every exchange currency would have someone capable of producing more of it.
Just what amount of money printing are you fine with?
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Every shop owner knows:
When migrants come, they bring money!
Every employer knows:
Migrants are skilled workers willing to work for less.
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USA = most immigrants
USA = number 1
I am seeing a causation!
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Well, its an interesting choice.
Pro life non-"white supremacist"
Or
Pro choice white supremacist
Its actually rather unpredictable who would bring more pain in the world, especially in USA which is a country with many races.
But if white supremacist is like Trump, just pro choice instead of pro life, then yeah, I guess he would be maybe prefered.
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@Benjamin
Debates are different, I guess.
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