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@Benjamin
Quote me where I said that I was smart.
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@Swagnarok
The main expenses in the budget are
1. military
2. Healthcare
3. Social security
Obviously, military budget should never be cut.
So that remains healthcare and social security.
Social security includes public schools, national services, welfare.
Healthcare includes covering costs for low income families.
Healthcare also includes(which in my opinion is bad) paying private workers per amount of work done. This motivates doctors and dentists to insist on unnecessary procedures to get more money from government, and patients agree because its not their money being wasted.
So yeah, I would say that system has many flaws. So, what to cut?
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@Swagnarok
Would you support private healthcare, but government covers costs for low income people?
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@Stephen
I keep having to remind you, you do not know your scriptures. I am not surprised you don't know why, although the bible makes clear why humans were created.
I feel like they are trying to re-write the Bible.
Bible in its original literal understanding is morally impossible to defend.
I understand why they are going for methaphorical understanding, but thats just going to add divisions to Christianity as each group has different understanding.
It would be desirable for Christians if some new Bible came to replace the old Bible, or just take out undesirable parts of the current Bible.
By undesirable, I mean parts about Hell, or about God killing or torturing people, or about God creating people.
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Trickle down economics say that if corporations, stores and wealthy get tax breaks, it will trickle down to everyone else through lower prices.
So, would you support printing money as a replacement for all taxes?
So instead of collecting 4 trillion in tax, you just print 4 trillion dollars.
Now, keep in mind that USA already prints trillions every year. It wouldnt be a significant change in printing.
However, printing money would mean that no money has to be spent on collecting taxes. Collecting taxes is expensive, because it employs lots of people.
Printing money might sound as unfair to the poor, but with no taxes, it also means everyone has more money.
And inflation has a delayed effect. It only comes into effect after printed money is mostly spent.
(Example: if you printed 10 trillions, but spent none, there would be no inflation because none of the printed money entered economy).
I know some of you will say "Germany printed lots of money and ended with mass inflation".
The difference is that printing can be limited. Germany printed too much money, much much more than few trillions per year, on a population much smaller than in USA.
So I am curious. How many of you think that printing money could/should replace taxes? It has already replaced good part of them, so can it replace all of them?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Let's say you want to have a kid. So, you have a kid.Then when that kid grows up, he blames you for all his struggles and pain.He accuses you of creating the source of all his problems.That is illogical, because you created the child for a different purpose. For a relationship.Now why did you create that kid? I don't know.Same with God.
Its not same with God.
If I knew that the person I make will be a bad person and will burn alive for eternity, it would be immoral to make that person.
So yes, people who give birth to children to a certain extent have excuse of not knowing. Your God doesnt, as he has omniscience.
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@YouFound_Lxam
We as humans have always had free will.
Free will doesnt solve the puzzle either.
Your Bible says that God created a man.
Therefore, even if God gave him free will, any bad deeds resulting from free will would be a result of God's action of giving free will.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Evil people (according to the bible) don't exist.
So when Jesus called people evil, he lied?
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@YouFound_Lxam
You can't create evil. You can tune into evil, by separation from God, but it's not a substance you can create.
You do realize that changing words changes nothing in the argument?
Replacing "creates evil" with "tune into evil", still the same cause: God.
So God creates people. People tune into evil. Therefore, God caused those people to tune into evil.
If you say: "no, he didnt", you would be again just denying the obvious causation, where people who tune into evil are result of God's action of creating them.
If he didnt create them, they wouldnt tune into evil and he wouldnt have to torture them forever.
There is no word which you can use about evil people, without God being the cause of them being evil.
Maybe your God doesnt have omniscience?
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@YouFound_Lxam
If I create a watch, and that watch tells time, did I create time?
You still dont understand how causation works. The watch didnt create the time.
because time has always existed before the watch has. And you would be right. Same goes with evil.
Are you saying that evil people existed before God created them? Because you are making no sense.
I understand. It takes lots of logic twisting to justify Bible, because logically it cannot be justified.
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@zedvictor4
Real life problems usually have unexpected outcomes and unknowns.
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@Greyparrot
Prostitution.
Thats capitalism.
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@Greyparrot
You cannot attempt to disprove the validity of capitalism by providing examples that are not capitalistic in nature.
Are there any examples of capitalism anywhere? You know, other than illegal market of drugs, guns and theft of copyrights?
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@Greyparrot
Complaining about Capitalism is a luxury only 1st world nations engage in.
Thats kinda strange, given that most 1st world nations arent capitalist.
And I am pretty sure that poor people in Africa complain about capitalism.
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@YouFound_Lxam
So, God created us, but we suffer by our own doing
You do know how causation works?
God created humans. Humans created evil. Thus, God created evil.
There is simply no way to break the causation chain of responsibility, as your all knowing God knew in advance which humans will go to Hell for eternity. He still created them, therefore doomed them to eternity of pointless suffering.
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@Mall
So you not doing anything wrong which from your view is holiness because you are without wrong or you stop doing wrong, would you still not want to be of that?
Wait, you are asking me if I would want to be holy by me first choosing what is holy and then being that?
Well, most people would be satisfied with the label "morally good" by own standards, but sure, "holy" sounds good too.
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@Tradesecret
Yes, I understand - an eye for an eye. It is not about attacking someone who attacks you. It is about fairness in the response against someone who hurts you.
So when Christians and muslims condemn atheists and trans first, it follows that exact revenge is required, making current atheists here justified in their actions.
Is this still too complicated for you?
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@Tradesecret
When did I defend any condemnation of trans people?
Right a comment ago, and one more comment ago, and one more comment ago.
Did you change your mind? Do you now think that Bible is wrong and that trans shouldnt be condemned or judged?
Common, make up your mind.
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@Tradesecret
I presented an argument that condemning someone for being who they are does not provide an automatic cause to produce suicide.
So you are playing clueless again.
First, your example had nothing to do with trans people. So you are just punching strawman.
Second, no one ever claimed that everyone who is condemned will commit suicide.
The studies consistently show that trans persons who are condemned by their parents or environment are much more likely to commit suicide.
Therefore, condemning them would make them kill themselves at a higher rate.
Therefore, condemning them is wrong.
You go around saying how you dont condemn trans while at the same time defending the condemnation of trans.
There is only so much stupidity that you can use before it becomes too obvious.
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@Tradesecret
at least attempt to prevent Brother or Stephen from their attacking and criticism and condemnation
No, I think they are beneficial to the site, since they mostly debate Christians and muslims. You do understand how Lex talionis works? Your God used it in the Bible, so the idea of you pretending to be some innocent victim while being the first to attack is absurd, but Christianity itself is absurd ideology.
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@Tradesecret
Condemnation DOESN'T cause suicide.
I have already provided you studies which show that condemning trans increases their suicide rate. I know that you reject science. Its obvious.
I provided two examples.
So you dont even understand how statistics work?
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@Tradesecret
And here is some more science related to Christianity:
"LGBTQ youth who report not hearing their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ were at significantly reduced risk for attempting suicide in the past year, regardless of whether religion was important to them. Overall, half (51%) of youth reported not hearing their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ, with lower rates among youth who said religion was important to them (44%). When adjusting for other related factors, LGBTQ youth who had not heard their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ were at half the risk for attempting suicide in the past year compared to those who had."
Some Christians have blamed the leftists because their trans kids committed suicide, but we can see who is really at fault.
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@Tradesecret
Social condemnation DOES NOT cause suicide. The studies simply do not stand up.
Every Christian rejects science.
You know when you teach your kids that being gay is abomination? That being trans is abomination?
What happens next is that your kids then go and bully trans kids because you brainwashed them to do so.
Of course, you cant understand this and you cant understand how condemnation causes suicides.
Honestly, your comment is filled with too much stupidity, so I dont see a point wasting my time trying to correct your every error. You will just come back again in a few weeks saying same nonsense. Its not worth the effort on my side, so I picked your dumbest point and lets see where that takes us.
"The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons."
"“While [ages 15-17] can be an exciting time, it is also very stressful, as adolescents experience a lot of peer pressure and can feel very isolated. This is especially true for those who express gender and sexuality in a nonconforming way.”"
"“[W]hile bullying and cyberbullying is an important factor, it is not the only factor. Other factors related to feeling supported at home, at school, and in their communities are likely also very important.”"
"Overall, Dr. Colman said his team’s findings clearly show that gender and sexual minority youth need better support.
“They need safe places where they can explore and express their true selves,” he explained. “Furthermore, they need to be consulted and included when suicide prevention programs are designed. They know better than we do as to what will serve them best.”"
“They need safe places where they can explore and express their true selves,” he explained. “Furthermore, they need to be consulted and included when suicide prevention programs are designed. They know better than we do as to what will serve them best.”"
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@Greyparrot
As I said, the democratic party needs opposition for a functional democracy.
Slight disagreements within the party are hardly a good enough opposition to the party.
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@Stephen
@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
I am surprised that Tradesecret claimed:
many people are Christians and don't believe in Hell or that God tortures people for eternity.
I mean, Hell is mentioned in the Bible, so to claim that Bible doesnt say what it obviously says...
Might as well just make the new Bible, just this time take out all the parts which dont suit this century.
So maybe just keep nice parts of the Gospels and a bit of Acts, and some peaceful parts of the Old Testament. Thats the only way Bible fits modern times.
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@n8nrgim
I can read summary and quotes. AI chat can sum up things which I am really interested in.
I dont read books anymore, other than fun books like Harry Potter.
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@Mall
So would you consider being of holiness or not?
Well, no, not according to the holiness of the Bible.
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@Greyparrot
No. Democracy wouldnt make sense without opposition.
Although in this case, both position and opposition seem to love Israel.
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@zedvictor4
The problem was mainly fast food. I didnt make the food. While fast food poisoning is rare, taking fast food for decades kinda increases the risk.
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@FLRW
I am better now. All it took was drinking water to flush out whatever was causing the poisoning, while not eating anything to prevent adding to the poisoning, and some pills for pain to be able to sleep.
I actually read somewhere that harmful bacteries in your body's digestive system tend to die or be flushed out sooner if you dont eat food at all, since they feed on the food you eat and they cant reproduce well without that food.
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"Donald Trump positioned himself as the most pro-Israel candidate in the field. “I will defend our friend and ally the State of Israel like nobody has ever defended,” Trump told the 1,000-plus crowd of donors and activists. Twice Trump said: “I love Israel.”"
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https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-use-north-korean-missiles-ukraine-reveal-effectiveness-2024-1
"Russia's use of North Korean missiles in Ukraine will help us figure out how effective they actually are on the battlefield, military analysts said.
South Korea's ambassador to the UN accused North Korea of using Ukraine as a "test site" for its nuclear-capable missiles on Wednesday.
Joonkook Hwang said Russia used them in attacks on December 30, January 2, and January 4."
South Korea's ambassador to the UN accused North Korea of using Ukraine as a "test site" for its nuclear-capable missiles on Wednesday.
Joonkook Hwang said Russia used them in attacks on December 30, January 2, and January 4."
First, what must be said is that this article thinks that North Korean missiles used in Ukraine will be same as the ones that would be used in war with North Korea.
This article obviously doesnt understand North Korean military first policy, which prioritizes North Korean military over military of its allies.
It is very unlikely that North Korea would give its best missiles to Russia in an amount that would be equal to their use in South's war with North Korea.
Russia might get few good missiles from North Korea in exchange for technological secrets, but to claim that any calculation can be made about their effectiveness is unrealistic.
This is because in case of war with North Korea, it wouldnt be just mass amount of nuclear weapons that would be used most at once to break holes in defense, but also biological weapons and artillery all at once. This would be very different from simple conventional weapons used in Ukraine and a slow, defensive way of warfare.
In fact, even if South Korea could stop 80% of North Korean nuclear missiles in first wave assuming 100 nuclear missiles, it would still mean that at least 20 nuclear weapons would hit South Korea, which would create massive holes in defenses making further defense almost impossible. Ukraine has not faced the same, but still struggles to stop missiles and drones.
Reality is that war in Ukraine cannot be a basis for any calculation about North Korea.
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@Mall
A lot of things are wrong according to the Bible.
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@FLRW
"Flies must rotate on their penis, sometimes even a full 360 degrees, to keep fucking.""Since female bed bugs don’t have vaginas, the males developed a spear-cock to stab her body."
God is a pervert.
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@zedvictor4
64% are clearly not grateful for their parents efforts.
Well, condemning me to a life of pain and then also a likely highly painful death isnt exactly something which I would be grateful for. I am not sure why anyone would be grateful for that.
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@FLRW
36 percent believe that having kids is essential to fulfillment.
Some people have natural urge to reproduce. They just cant resist their programming.
10,000 years of recorded history tells us that human life is not exactly beneficial.
In fact, its even less beneficial if you are Christian, since majority of children you give birth to will go to hell.
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@Swagnarok
Those are just bunch of assumptions that you stated.
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@zedvictor4
Can you explain how a trolley that will kill 5, can be diverted to only kill one.One would assume that a trolley that will kill five, if diverted, would therefore miss all 5.
Apparently, trolley has only 2 possible paths.
One path has 5 people in its path.
Other path has 1 person in its path.
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@zedvictor4
1. Women on average tend to wear more and more revealing clothing and tight clothing typically to make out the buttocks area.
Well, yeah, they do.
2. Easy readily excess to explicit content in multiple mediums.
You mean porn?
3. Extending sexual behaviors beyond sexual intercourse such as oral sex, anal sex, use of sexual toys, scatology, the use of any bodily part for sexual stimulation.
Well, people find it fun.
4. Through t.v., movies, media, less and less restraint on sexual matters, more explicit, less sexual innuendos but more coarse
Thats just Satan slowly winning.
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@zedvictor4
Well, real life situations are far from trolley problem.
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@Tradesecret
homosexuality is still considered sinful
Social condemnnation causes suicide, so its same as killing. New Testament condemns homosexuality.
Christians don't want to kill trans.
Yet they condemn them all the time, increasing suicide rates, therefore killing them.
The Bible is clear about this - that rape is wrong and sinful
You do realize that Bible Old Testament forces victim to marry her rapist? And Bible New Testament says that husband has a right to rape a woman because her body doesnt belong to her. I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about.
Many Christians don't believe it is ok to beat children.
So many Christians refuse to follow the Bible?
What I want to do is not necessarily what is the best thing to do.
Yeah, so you cant know if thinking that you are a sinner is the best thing you can do.
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@Mall
Would you consider being holy?
What does it mean to be holy?
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I am not Christian because:
1. I dont want to kill gays.
2. I dont want to kill trans.
3. I dont want to praise a God who after creating people, tortures those people by burning them alive for all eternity.
4. I dont think its okay to rape women.
5. I dont think its okay to beat children.
6. I dont want to live a life thinking that I am a sinner just because I was born.
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@FLRW
Trump had his 4 years as president. He screwed up badly. Highest disapproval rate since Nixon. Plus, his supporters proved that they are ready to reject democracy, by rejecting election results. Its a great cover up to pretend that people want Trump. Trump lost popular vote both times by difference in millions.
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@Greyparrot
maybe something's in the water today.
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@FLRW
Do you think ADOL wears a hat with horns and carries a spear?
Yes.
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"The trolley problem is a thought experiment in ethics about a fictional scenario in which an onlooker has the choice to save 5 people in danger of being hit by a trolley, by diverting the trolley to kill just 1 person."
The trolley problem gives you a choice to take action that kills 1 person, or take no action which results in 5 people being killed but not because of you.
Now, rules would say:
Its always wrong to kill innocents.
Therefore, you acting to kill 1 innocent person would be wrong even if it saves 5 lives as its result.
Consequentialism based on life or happiness would say:
Action that contains harm, but is more beneficial than harmful, is a good action.
Therefore, such consequentialism would justify the action that kills 1 person to save 5.
Consequentialism based on reduction of pain would argue that its same either way, as those 5 people would likely experience a lot of pain in life and even cause pain, so saving them this one time does not guarantee a reduction in pain.
But what I noticed is that most people are incapable of comparing benefits and harms. In fact, most people fall for bias and search only those information which support their view. Therefore, most people are not capable to use consequentialism in a way that its supposed to be used. This is why for them, its better to rely on rules.
The basic rules, such as do not lie, are often violated by people who think it brings some greater benefit. But ultimately, it produces a society of liars, because you cannot lie and expect that nobody else does the same.
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@TheUnderdog
Consequentialism is statist; "freedom from", whether it be, "freedom from climate change", "freedom from religion", etc
Consequentialism would violate both types of freedom under circumstances where it brings some greater good.
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@TheUnderdog
But if morality is arbitrary to everyone, then what's the point of political parties? How elections should be done is anyone with over .5% national support runs in one general election (if there are 20 people, fine). On the top 5 issues to Americans, every candidate has to state their opinion as honestly and as detailed as they can. The candidates then can also have 5 issues that they in particular care about that are not on the top 5 for the American public, and every candidate runs on 10 issues; the candidates rank their issues from most important to least important out of the 10, and then that's their personal platform.
Political parties tend to ignore will of majority. Well, the system in USA doesnt elect according to majority in USA. If it did, Trump would never become president.
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@TheUnderdog
How can one be happy if you take away their freedom? If someone has infinite freedom, they do whatever makes them the happiest.
There are cases where individual's freedom is violated to achieve happiness for more people.
For example, plenty of civilians die in wars and its often thought of as justified despite being the most obvious violation of freedom.
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