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@TheUnderdog
Wait, do you think that child porn should be legal or that animated child porn should be legal?
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@TheUnderdog
The kids that get kicked out of foster care entered when they were like 13.
And who would adopt a 13 year old except map?
A better way to reduce the number of kids in foster care is to make it free to adopt; all expenses related to initially adopting the kid (lawyer fees) could be taxpayer covered and the kids would go into non pedophile run homes.
Adopting children isnt expensive. People just dont want it.
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@TheUnderdog
They can have STIs that last with me the rest of my lives; and the thought of me putting my physical body in someone's mouth makes me worried they would bite my dick off.
Thats extremely rare, but okay.
I count sexual abuse as physical abuse, so sexual abuse is a subset of physical abuse.
Thats just your assumption where you label two different things the same.
Do you believe that orphan leaders are going to be more likely to rape kids than pedophiles that adopt the kids? Please initially answer yes, not sure, or no, and then justify it.
Thats irrelevant. You are only talking about possibility of rape, and ignoring physical abuse and foster care children being likely to fill prisons.
And most map arent violent, while most foster care systems are.
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@TheUnderdog
There already is a standard. How would you modify it?
Allowing some map to adopt would reduce number of children in foster care significantly. Currently, over 20,000 children exist foster care without being adopted. Just kicked out.
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@TheUnderdog
How would you know that?
Really? You think blowjobs hurt?
A pedophile with a kid (his inferior) is going to produce much worse results.
Thats an assumption.
I would assume the pedophile adopting the kid could result in similar things.
You can assume anything, but only 14% of prisoners were sexually abused as children. Compared to that, 38% or more were physically abused. Therefore, physical abuse is worse than sexual abuse. And a lot more come from foster care into prison.
If they do reject sex, who is more likely to rape them? The government employee who raises kids for the state (and gets paid for what they do, so they have to keep things professional and they are certainly vetted to make sure they aren't sexually attracted to kids), or somebody that has a sexual attraction to kids and pays for 100% of the living expenses for the kids, so they feel entitled to have sex with them (even if the kids have the ability to consent but don't consent)? I think it would be person #2.
You can make as much assumptions as you want, but sexual and physical abuse is very common in orphanages.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I can understand that rewarding failure produces more failure, but wealth redistribution is a common government practice. It can be improved in many ways, but to say that we shouldnt have any kind of government help for the poor is a bit strange. I am not sure how that would work out.
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@TheUnderdog
I don't know why vaginal or anal rape would be worse than oral rape if the victim can't get pregnant.
Well, a blowjob doesnt hurt as much.
I would assume though that if a kid is with a pedophile; that pedophile is going to be raping that kid way more than what the foster system would do.
In foster system, there is much more physical abuse and medications. Physical abuse is more likely to turn someone into a criminal.
And having future of ending up in prison as adult is no good for the child.
Lets say (even though I don't agree with this) that a 5 year old can consent to sex. Why would they consent to sex with a pedophile that adopted them and not a pedophile that runs the orphanage?
I assume they can reject sex in both cases.
But that means pedophiles are really going to be able to have access to a really small subset of kids.
They are map, not pedophiles. But there can be a standard for who can adopt. As it is right now in USA, each year, over 20,000 children leave foster care without being adopted. They are basically just kicked out on the street.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If governments could be trusted to help the poor then a hundred million people wouldn't have starved to death in countries trying to implement socialism.
Well, governments usually try to help the poor. It doesnt always turn out well.
So who, according to you, can better help the poor?
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@TheUnderdog
I need evidence to back that claim up.
I already posted links.
"It found about half of the 1,000 children in custody in England and Wales have experience of the care system, despite fewer than 1% of all children in England, and 2% of those in Wales, being in care."
"Children in care are six times more likely to be cautioned or convicted of a crime than other young people, new research has found."
Foster care is related to 50% of criminals in prison. Compared to that, being abused by map is not related to even close that many.
Giving a baby a blowjob is a subset of infant rape which is a subset of child rape.
Maybe by law, but anyone sane would agree that its less bad than vaginal or anal penetration.
Foster care isn't great, but is your solution to foster care to let pedophiles adopt babies? That's probably not a good idea.
Thats how it worked for thousands of years in some countries. When child loses all family, it often used to be that child gets married to an adult. Foster care didnt exist back then, and early marriages were normal. Foster care is definitely a worse system, and a more expensive system too.
I thought you believe children can consent to sex.
Children can want sexual activities. The desire to have sex doesnt always start at age 18.
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@n8nrgim
Political correctness?
There is nothing politically correct about nature.
The video says that attractive people get more praise.
Its easier to hate ugly people than it is to hate attractive people.
The idea that looks dont matter is based on delusion of equality and equal chance.
People are not equal, so dont have equal chance.
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The value of pain, life, or happiness, can be estimated.
Just imagine the situation you would want to avoid at all cost.
I would like to avoid great pain at all cost. In fact, great happiness is of less importance than lack of great pain.
Great pain usually includes lack of happiness.
Even with great happiness in life, the presence of great pain makes such life undesirable.
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@n8nrgim
we can't know bliss without non bliss
I would prefer to give up on happiness if it meant no pain in life.
But my designer disagreed.
Now, since you agree that increasing pain doesnt increase happiness but almost always decreases it, it follows that reducing pain is necessary for increasing happiness too.
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@n8nrgim
idea of maximizing happiness for everyone, as a moral thing to work towards
Sure, I like being happy.
those who suffer, will one day bring glory to God, when they no longer suffer. i know i've told you these ideas, and you've rejected many of them... but i'm just reiterating
Well, I am an atheist. I am certain that my afterlife will be bad if Jesus turns out to be God.
we can't know bliss without knowing non bliss
Are you suggesting that people cant be happy without pain? If that were true, then most abused people would be most happy, and we all know thats not the case, otherwise we would have moral duty to abuse others.
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"More and more people are delaying having children until their late 30s or 40s. But as you age, so do your ovaries and the eggs inside them. You cannot see or feel these changes, and they happen faster than you may think."
"A woman's peak reproductive years are between the late teens and late 20s. By age 30, fertility (the ability to get pregnant) starts to decline. This decline happens faster once you reach your mid-30s. By 45, fertility has declined so much that getting pregnant naturally is unlikely."
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@n8nrgim
Woman who is older than 30 years has only 50% chance for getting pregnant.
Women usually prefer to wait until they are older to have kids.
This reduces their chances of having children.
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@FLRW
I always figured that if animals didnt evolve to feel pain, they wouldnt run away from danger or predators, which would make life as we know it impossible, which would still probably be better than the mess we have now.
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"Virginity is a social construct traditionally used to control young women, but for young men in the last decade, the social construct has haunted them instead."
"About 27% of men under thirty report that they haven't had sex since turning 18, according to this chart attributed to the University of Chicago's General Social Survey, up from 8% in 2008."
I am a virgin. Being virgin isnt so bad. Person can drink.
Plus, its kinda double standard.
Women who are virgin are more often praised. Men who are virgin are more often shamed.
Its really a pointless social pressure.
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@n8nrgim
maybe humans are made to put them to death for sinning
Death is not the punishment.
Life is the punishment.
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I think morality that is focused on reducing pain is the best morality.
This is because pain is the worst thing in the world.
If I had a choice between:
1. Living for 100 years, but burn alive every day
2. Not live at all, die instantly
I would never choose option 1.
So we see that life is not worth living if person lives in unbearable pain every day.
So the morality system should mainly be focused on value of reducing pain, or not increasing pain.
Pain even outweighs happiness.
Lack of great pain is prefered over lack of great happiness.
This is meassured usually by the "desire to remove current state of things".
People who lack great happiness dont rush to remove that and achieve great happiness.
But people in great pain rush to remove great pain.
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@FLRW
Yes.
"Blame them for that which we are guilty of" was Hitler's main propaganda technique.
As well as blatant lies he used. Up until 1945, he kept claiming he will win the war.
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"It found about half of the 1,000 children in custody in England and Wales have experience of the care system, despite fewer than 1% of all children in England, and 2% of those in Wales, being in care."
"Children in care are six times more likely to be cautioned or convicted of a crime than other young people, new research has found."
"Over 70 percent of all State Penitentiary inmates have spent time in the foster care system. (California State Legislature)
A federal study of former foster care wards reported that 75 percent of Connecticut youths in the state’s juvenile justice system were once in foster care. (Bayles et al, 1995)
When children are tempted to engage in unacceptable behaviors, children with strong social bonds have a greater likelihood of conforming, and are less likely to become delinquent. (Furstenberg et al, 1995)
Eighty percent of prisoners in Illinois spent time in foster care, according to a survey by the National Association of Social Workers. (Azar, 1995)
Problems with early attachment are seen to globalize during the adolescent years and set the stage for a failure to bond as an adult. The result is a higher incidence of both aggression and passionless crime. Greenberg in 1999 summarized the research on the links between attachment, adolescent delinquency, and adult criminality."
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@TheUnderdog
Morality is subjective, but it's a horrible opinion to defend the right to rape 2 month old babies.
He didnt say rape. He said blowjob.
Now, there are cases where blowjobs are the lesser evil.
For example, if its a choice that:
1. Baby is in foster care
2. Baby is with map who will give it blowjobs
We see that foster care is kinda worse option. In foster care, children also get sexually abused, but what also happens is that foster care is a criminal factory. About 40% of children in foster care end up being criminals.
Plus, foster care works like prison, so those who spend too much time there grow insensitive to prison.
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Some contradictions in the Bible can be solved by using basic principle of what a contradiction is.
Logical contradiction:
Something cannot exist and not exist at the same time.
Something cannot be true and false at the same time.
Something cannot be and not be at the same time.
The main clue is "at the same time".
I can exist today, but not exist after 50 years.
So I can both exist and not exist, just not both at the same time.
The laws of the Old Testament can be true for their time, and not be true for time of and after Jesus.
So they can be true and not true at the same time.
(Edit correction here: I meant to say they cant be true and not true at the same time)
The laws of logic are not simple. In fact, I often say that the most logical things usually sound very dumb.
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@Morphinekid77
I was spanked too. Now I am avatar.
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"The term wu wei constitutes the leading ethical concept in Taoism.[158] Wei refers to any intentional or deliberated action, while wu carries the meaning of "there is no ..." or "lacking, without". Common translations are nonaction, effortless action, action without intent, noninterference and nonintervention.
[159][158] The meaning is sometimes emphasized by using the paradoxical expression "wei wu wei": action without action.[160] Kohn writes that wuwei refers to "letting go of egoistic concerns" and "to abstain from forceful and interfering measures that cause tensions and disruption in favor of gentleness, adaptation, and ease."[147]
In ancient Taoist texts, wu-wei is associated with water through its yielding nature and the effortless way it flows around obstacles.[161] Taoist philosophy, in accordance with the I Ching, proposes that the universe works harmoniously according to its own ways. When someone exerts their will against the world in a manner that is out of rhythm with the cycles of change, they may disrupt that harmony and unintended consequences may more likely result rather than the willed outcome.[162]
Thus the Tao Te Ching says: "act of things and you will ruin them. Grasp for things and you will lose them. Therefore the sage acts with inaction and has no ruin, lets go of grasping and has no loss."[147]
Taoism does not identify one's will as the root problem. Rather, it asserts that one must place their will in harmony with the natural way of the universe.
[162] Thus, a potentially harmful interference may be avoided, and in this way, goals can be achieved effortlessly.[163][164] "By wu-wei, the sage seeks to come into harmony with the great Tao, which itself accomplishes by nonaction."[158]"
Its kinda like the Art of War, that says how you should try to win by not doing anything.
The important Taoist principles are inaction, simplicity and living in harmony with nature.
It would be good if Christians, Muslims and Jews practiced inaction and stopped circumcising babies and killing each other.
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"They interviewed Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and secular people from several different societies and found that no matter which culture they came from, they were biased against people who did not believe in a god or gods."
"Q. As part of the study, people were told a story about a man who tortured animals as a child and moved on to other violent acts as he matured, culminating in murdering five homeless people. Then the people were asked: is this man more likely to be a teacher? Or a teacher who does not believe in god(s)? Those two answers are logically inconsistent – why did you ask that question in that way?
A. This question was designed to exploit the “conjunction fallacy,” a common logical error that people make when asked to estimate the probability of some specific condition versus a more general one. This is also known as the “Linda problem”, and it is typically presented in the following way: “Linda is 31 years old, single, outspoken, and very bright. She majored in philosophy. As a student, she was deeply concerned with issues of discrimination and social justice, and also participated in anti-nuclear demonstrations. Which is more probable? a) Linda is a bank teller, or b) Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement.
The correct answer is of course a), because the number of feminist bank tellers can never be higher than the number of bank tellers. But most people give the wrong answer to this problem, because the person’s description sounds more representative of option b). Our study simply looked at how often people committed this fallacy when the person in the story was described as atheist versus religious. This allowed us to examine people’s intuitions, rather than more reflective, politically correct answers."
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Religion shapes politics.
And Trump has more sins than satan.
If Trump is the most moral person Christians could find to represent Christian morality,
then Satan has already won.
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@Mall
If you are curious about why your child is misbehaving, the proper approach is:
1. Ask a child why he misbehaves.
2. Ask a child about what he wants or what are his desires.
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@Mall
There are rewards and there is denying service.
And children usually misbehave because their parents starve them of attention.
Really, the idea that you can put a child in a corner and expect him to stay there for hours without negative consequences is itself a misunderstanding of human relations.
Children need social contact, just as any other human being.
The idea that you will fix a child you neglected by beating him is just another delusion.
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@TheUnderdog
I do agree that the claim "Lovers of All Ages" includes all ages. In fact, it would be a logical contradiction if it didnt.
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@zedvictor4
Well, statistically, yes.
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Child spankers are the group of people in society that rejects all science and statistics about spanking, and goes against them.
Now, my debates about spanking almost never get accepted.
I assumed if they were easy to win, someone would accept, but nope.
Now, obviously, there is no scientific research that supports spanking.
In fact, non-spanked children turn out much better by far.
So one must wonder, with all these pure facts available and well known, why are there still child spankers?
The only explanation seems to be that parents are turned on by spanking. They find some sadistic pleasure in it.
Anyone sane knows that you train animals with rewards, not punishments.
And children are smarter than animals, so rewards work even better on them.
But sadistic child spankers cannot resist!
They are ready to go against all science just so that they could abuse children.
And I am not even talking about minority in society, but majority in society.
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@zedvictor4
Priests lie.
They dont all practice abstinence.
They dont all practice abstinence.
In fact, I can imagine that, with so many abuses reported, way more is unreported.
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"When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual."
So yes, some cultures are fine with giving babies blowjobs.
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You do realize that USA is forced to support Israel?
Even Trump would support Israel. Israel is not something US presidents disagree on.
They all have exactly the same position of unconditional support for Israel.
Any belief that Trump would act differently is pure American delusion.
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@TheUnderdog
It's not ok to give a blowjob to a 2 month old baby.
And since morality is arbitrary, anyone can disagree with that assumption.
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@Greyparrot
I like how you confuse people judging you with people celebrating you.
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@zedvictor4
"A large number of people died after being infected with COVID -- Japan has reported about 72,000 pandemic-related deaths since the onset of the disease in early 2020. But the underlying reason is the graying of society, with a government estimate released last month showing that 29% of the population is now 65 years old or older."
"The number of deaths was nearly double that of births. The number of newborns fell 5.1% to 799,728 in 2022, with the pace of decline accelerating from 3.4% the previous year. This stems from the shrinking number of Japanese of childbearing age and their declining propensity to have children."
When Japan disappears, it can then be easily conquered by Korea.
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@zedvictor4
"In fact, immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy in many ways. They work at high rates and make up more than a third of the workforce in some industries. Their geographic mobility helps local economies respond to worker shortages, smoothing out bumps that could otherwise weaken the economy. Immigrant workers help support the aging native-born population, increasing the number of workers as compared to retirees and bolstering the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. And children born to immigrant families are upwardly mobile, promising future benefits not only to their families, but to the U.S. economy overall."
USA can make up some difference with immigrants. Its Japan who needs to really worry.
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@zedvictor4
40,000 per year.
Thats 400,000 in 10 years.
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@Swagnarok
Christian priests do tend to get carried away with young boys.
Jewish priests sometimes suck infant's dick after circumcision.
"When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual."
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@Statichead
the pope has authorized same-sex marriage, even though it was considered a sin just a few years before. What changed???
Bible is interpreted according to interest.
The judging of gays no longer pays off to the Church.
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I aint getting any more vaccines.
God will create an invisible magical barrier around me that repels all viruses.
Why they simply dont invent a tiny device that repels viruses. Something like mask but better.
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@TheUnderdog
He's a journalist. He thinks his choice of words carefully.
Maybe.
He did not stutter. He thinks it's ok to have sex with 2 month old infants.
But he thinks there should be no vaginal or anal penetration. So he just supports massage and blowjobs.
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@Mall
So we shouldnt copy Jesus.
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Although I would bet on 10,000 years, when AI replaces humans completely.
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@sadolite
Well, when society agrees on some moral absolute, it will be a good day.
So maybe in 2000 years if we are lucky.
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@TheUnderdog
Sex Without Intercourse: A Hot Option for Lovers of All Ages
That was probably poor choice of words. I doubt he actually thinks that.
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