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@Tarik
I asked about morality in general, not solely in reference to you, but you’ve already made it clear that you’re a narcissist.
There is:
1. My morality
2. Morality of other people.
If you ask about morality of other people, you should probably ask those other people. I dont see why you ask me about someone else's morality that I dont hold. What do I have to do with them for you to ask me about it?
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@Tarik
If a car was about to hit a person, I wouldnt try to step in to save the person because it risks me being hit. I also would never donate a kidney to save someone. I never even donated blood. If I saw a person being beaten by someone, I wouldnt step in to help.
Do you need more examples or is this enough?
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Some religious folks have suggested that all evil is beneficial.
All evil that we experience carries some benefit for us, they say.
However, with that idea, we reach a bit of a weird situation.
Lets say you have a rape victim. Can you seriously argue that being raped was beneficial for her?
Because then you would basically be arguing that the rapist was actually helping her, acting in her interest and in God's interest.
How can you condemn a rapist while claiming that rape is beneficial?
Now, some folks like to throw around "free will". However, that contradicts with God's omniscience.
If God knew that certain person will commit rape, why would God create such a person? Its God's action of creating a rapist that made the rape happen, which makes God guilty.
So God wasnt simply "letting it happen". He was helping to make it happen. Its like me opening a cage with wild bear in it, and then when bear attacks people, responsibility would be mine.
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Title: The Problem of Evil: A Compelling Argument Against the Existence of a Benevolent God
Introduction
Throughout the course of human history, philosophers and theologians alike have grappled with the seemingly incompatible coexistence of evil and a benevolent God. This paradox, commonly known as the Problem of Evil, raises significant concerns regarding the existence of an all-powerful and perfectly good deity. In this essay, I will argue that the Problem of Evil convincingly disproves the idea of a benevolent God, as it highlights the inherent contradictions within traditional religious beliefs.
Defining the Problem
At its core, the Problem of Evil revolves around the existence of evil and suffering in a world governed by a supposedly good and all-powerful God. It poses deep and complex questions, such as: If God is truly benevolent, why does He allow evil? If He possesses unlimited power, why does He not prevent it? And if He is all-knowing, why did He create a world where suffering persists?
Logical Inconsistencies
The existence of evil and suffering serves as a direct contradiction to the notion of an all-good God. A benevolent deity would not idly stand by, watching as innocent people endure immense pain, violence, or tragedy. The religious argument that God is not directly responsible for evil, rather it is a consequence of human free will, does not absolve Him of responsibility. If God possesses omniscience, He would have foreseen the consequences of creating beings with free will and should have anticipated the immense evil and suffering that would arise as a result. Thus, the claim that evil is the product of human choice diminishes the extent of God’s power or benevolence.
The Magnitude of Evil
Evil is not limited solely to human actions. Natural disasters, diseases, and other forms of suffering afflict innocent beings who bear no responsibility for their afflictions. If an all-powerful deity exists, He would have the capacity to prevent or minimize such natural evils. The sheer scale of suffering and harm in the world, whether caused by humans or nature, undermines the notion that a supremely good and powerful God could coexist with such atrocities.
The Problem of Animal Suffering
The Problem of Evil becomes even more pronounced when considering the immense suffering experienced by animals in the natural world. Various species endure excruciating pain, starvation, predation, and other forms of anguish for reasons beyond human actions. The indiscriminate nature of this suffering raises profound questions about the purpose and compassion of a creator, further disproving the notion of a benevolent God.
Alternative Explanations
The Problem of Evil gains further strength when considering alternative explanations for the existence of evil, such as the absence of God, the inherently flawed nature of the material world, or an indifferent deity. Atheists argue that evil can be best understood in the absence of theistic beliefs, attributing it to human actions and the natural forces of the world—without the need for a divine overseer to explain and justify it. The existence of evil does not necessitate the assumption of a benevolent and all-powerful deity, but can be encompassed within the framework of natural causation and human agency.
Implications and Conclusion
The Problem of Evil presents significant challenges for those who adhere to traditional religious beliefs centered around a benevolent God. The logical inconsistencies, the magnitude of evil, the problem of animal suffering, and the availability of alternative explanations all combine to cast doubt on the existence of such a deity. The concept of a good God is incompatible with the rampant evil and suffering witnessed in the world, significantly undermining the arguments and claims presented in support of a benevolent higher power. It is through critical examination and reflection on the Problem of Evil that one can confront these contradictions and seek alternative explanations that are more consistent with observable reality.
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@Tarik
You asked about my morality. I told you about it.
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Trump is the republican party now. All their ideas are his ideas.
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@Tarik
They dont. But in any situation where its me or them.
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@Tarik
Morality?
If I had to choose between
1. Me suffering
2. Others suffering
I would choose 2. The morality is really, all about me and doing myself a favor.
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I have been thinking a lot about this. If I am to believe in some God, it should be the God I can see.
When I saw Slifer as a kid, in Yugioh season 2 episode 17, it was for the first time I have seen an actual God in glory.
I remember cheering "Kill them, Slifer, kill them!"
Later I learned that Slifer is one of three Egyptian Gods. In my mind, he is the coolest God among the three.
He is red and black, which are my favorite colors.
I am pretty sure Slifer would beat Christian God in battle. He could also beat muslim's Allah, I think.
No one ever seen Christian God or muslim god, but we have all seen Slifer. We know he is real. There are videos of him, and photos.
Slifer has two mouths, which make him look very cool.
He also has control of lightning and skies, and he is a dragon with large wings and long tail.
Plus, Slifer is Yugi's favorite God. Yugi is a good person. He fights for justice. So I am on the right track.
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@FLRW
It is usually best to skip those parts of the Bible that cannot be in any way justified by any sane individual.
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@Tarik
still have to answer to the man above
I like fairytales too. Do you like Zeus? Or maybe Amon Ra?
I think Slifer The Sky dragon is the real God. He will destroy all other Gods and claim total victory.
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The perfect world is made out of two components:
1. All the desirable things it has
2. Lack of all undesirable things
One can move closer to perfect world by creating more desirable things in the world or removing the undesirable things.
There is, of course, a question of importance. Is creating more desirable things more important than removing the undesirable things?
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1. Imagine the most perfect world you can think of, with all the desirable good qualities and without any undesirable qualities.
2. Take steps to move closer towards creating such a world. Do everything to make it happen without losing good faith.
This seems like a rather simple moral system. Of course, people might disagree on what desirable and undesirable qualities are.
People should always have their perfect world in mind when making decisions. Every decision should bring them closer to it.
One must construct his perfect world in mind before constructing it in practice. He must, like builder, imagine and create.
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Its called playing the victim. Nothing is ever Trump's fault.
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@n8nrgim
I view God as unwilling and to some extent unable but unlike atheists i say it'sfor a good purpose. It's in our best interest to experience what we do.
So every murder and every rape is in our best interest? It is all good for us? Its all good? Yeah, how about some other theory, preferably the one that doesnt say how being raped is in victim's best interest.
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@Critical-Tim
I believe that the big mistake people make is not writing down ideas. Human mind often forgets, is unable to think of many things at once.
Also, I noticed that people are not much curious about their ideas being wrong or tested. People refuse to be uncertain about something which is important to them and which matters much. To me, being uncertain comes naturally as I know that almost every idea can be wrong.
We should test everything. We shouldnt blindly trust. Maybe we are wrong.
I think that uncertainty is important, maybe even more important than curiosity. To me, someone who doubts everything is more likely to explore everything.
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For those Bucky Fuller afficinadoes
Always start by insulting the students. Like my religion teacher in highschool.
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@Greyparrot
"No you" was always the strongest tool of every politician, even in this day.
Or as Hitler's supporters said: "Blame others for that which we are guilty of".
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The Fox News host Chris Wallace invited Trump to deliver a two-minute statement. And he was off:
So when I listen to Joe [Biden] talking about a transition, there has been no transition from when I won. I won that election. And if you look at crooked Hillary Clinton, if you look at all of the different people, there was no transition, because they came after me trying to do a coup. They came after me spying on my campaign … We’ve got it all on tape. We’ve caught ’em all. And by the way, you gave the idea for the Logan Act against General Flynn. You better take a look at that, because we caught you in a sense, and President Obama was sitting in the office. He knew about it, too. So don’t tell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned, it’s a disaster. A solicited ballot, okay, solicited, is okay. You’re soliciting. You’re asking. They send it back. You send it back. I did that. If you have an unsolicited—they’re sending millions of ballots all over the country. There’s fraud. They found ’em in creeks …
And so on, until the end of the second minute, when Wallace attempted to break in and end the monologue. He tried five times before regaining temporary control.
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Title: Trump's Guilt in Attempting to Overturn Elections: A Disregard for Democracy
Introduction
The peaceful transition of power lies at the core of democratic societies. It ensures that the will of the people is respected and that those elected to serve govern in the best interests of their constituents. However, the events that unfolded during Donald Trump's presidency have raised serious concerns about his guilt in attempting to overturn the 2020 elections. This essay will delve into the evidence and arguments surrounding his actions, highlighting the detrimental impact they have on democracy.
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1. Subverting the Electoral Process
Donald Trump's guilt in attempting to overturn the election results is evident in his relentless efforts to undermine the electoral process. Despite no substantial evidence of widespread voter fraud, he persistently propagated baseless claims that the election was rigged. Trump's refusal to concede and his relentless legal battles aimed at overturning the results were clear attempts to delegitimize the electoral outcome and sow doubt among his supporters.
2. Encouraging Insurrection
One of the most egregious displays of Trump's guilt was his role in inciting the deadly insurrection at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. In a speech prior to the attack, he urged his supporters to march on the Capitol, repeating unfounded claims of election fraud. This act not only endangered the lives of lawmakers and law enforcement officers but also struck at the heart of democracy, as it sought to overturn the will of the people through violence.
3. Abuse of Power
Trump's guilt is further compounded by his abuse of power in pressuring state and local officials to overturn election results. Phone calls to Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, where he urged him to "find" enough votes to change the outcome, exemplify his disregard for democratic norms. Such actions not only violated ethical standards but also undermined public trust in the electoral process, eroding the very foundation of democracy.
4. Undermining Institutions
Throughout his presidency, Trump consistently attacked democratic institutions, including the judiciary, the media, and even his own administration. His relentless assault on the legitimacy of these institutions contributed to a growing distrust among his supporters, ultimately laying the groundwork for his attempts to overturn the election. By undermining these pillars of democracy, he sought to consolidate power and maintain control, even at the expense of the nation's democratic ideals.
Conclusion
The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to overturn the 2020 elections. His relentless efforts to undermine the electoral process, encourage insurrection, abuse his power, and undermine democratic institutions demonstrate a clear disregard for the principles upon which democracy is built. These actions not only erode public trust but also threaten the very fabric of American democracy. It is imperative that such attempts to overturn elections are condemned and that steps are taken to reinforce democratic values and protect the integrity of the electoral process.
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@FLRW
That sounds like Trump was ordering his supporters to overturn fair elections. Trump still today claims that elections were rigged and that he won.
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@FLRW
Trump doesnt believe in democracy. He wants to be dictator.
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According to data collected by The Washington Post, police shot and killed at least 1,055 people nationwide last year, the most since the newspaper began tracking fatal shootings by officers in 2015. That is more than the 1,021 shootings in 2020 and the 999 in 2019.
Black people, who account for 13 percent of the U.S. population, accounted for 27 percent of those fatally shot and killed by police in 2021, according to Mapping Police Violence, a nonprofit group that tracks police shootings. That means Black people are twice as likely as white people to be shot and killed by police officers.
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Racism, a persisting issue in the United States, eludes simple explanations. Its intricate roots can be traced back through the nation's history, societal structures, and individual biases. Understanding its existence requires acknowledging multifaceted factors that perpetuate this harmful ideology.
Firstly, history plays a pivotal role in fueling racism. Centuries of slavery, followed by systematic segregation and discrimination, have left lasting scars. These injustices and the resulting intergenerational trauma have created a deep-seated division among races, hindering unity and fostering prejudice within society.
Secondly, structural inequalities contribute significantly to the persistence of racism. Racial disparities are evident in various areas such as education, wealth, and healthcare. These inequities stem from policies that favor a dominant group, perpetuating racial hierarchies. Economically disadvantaged communities face limited opportunities for socioeconomic advancement, perpetuating biases and prejudices.
Thirdly, racism persists due to the preservation of cultural norms and ingrained beliefs. Stereotypes, passed down through generations, perpetuate prejudice and discrimination. Individuals growing up in racially homogenous environments often lack exposure and understanding of diverse cultures, reinforcing mistrust and misunderstanding.
Moreover, individuals' implicit biases perpetuate racism in society. These deeply rooted attitudes, often subconscious, influence perceptions and lead to discriminatory behaviors. Biases are shaped by various factors, including media depictions, personal experiences, and cultural influences. Challenging these biases requires self-reflection, education, and empathy-building strategies.
Political factors also contribute to the existence of racism. Political leaders' rhetoric and policies play a crucial role in shaping public opinion. Politicization of issues related to race and immigration reinforces divisions rather than fostering inclusive dialogues. Polarizing rhetoric can foster a climate that normalizes racist behaviors and contributes to the perpetuation of discriminatory systems.
In addition, the emergence of social media and online platforms has provided a platform for the spread of hate speech and racial discrimination. The relative anonymity and lack of consequences on these platforms enable individuals to express their prejudiced attitudes without repercussion. Online echo chambers further exacerbate these views, as individuals seek and find reinforcement among like-minded individuals.
It is crucial to recognize that each of these factors is interconnected and operates in a complex web. Overcoming racism requires a multipronged approach that addresses these various aspects. Education plays a central role in dismantling the perpetuation of racism. Schools should foster inclusive curricula, teaching accurate histories and encouraging empathy and understanding among students.
Beyond education, policies aimed at eradicating systemic inequalities are essential. Fair and unbiased approaches to criminal justice, employment, housing, and healthcare can help dismantle structures that perpetuate racial disparities. Political leaders and decision-makers must prioritize inclusivity and actively work towards social justice.
Individual responsibility is paramount in combating racism. Engaging in self-reflection, challenging biases, and fostering interracial dialogue can contribute to personal growth and dismantling discrimination. It is crucial to actively listen to marginalized voices, amplify their narratives, and champion their fight for equality.
Together, as a society, we must strive to create a more inclusive and equitable future. By collectively dismantling racist ideologies, addressing systemic inequalities, and fostering empathy, we can create a society where race does not determine one's opportunities or worth. It is not an easy process, but it is necessary for progress towards a truly equal and united nation.
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@Greyparrot
I meant specifically for USA and americans. What is their endgame for this war? Because the defeat of Russia wont happen. Is the goal endless war or what? How do they imagine this will end?
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When black people are obviously shot and killed by police at a much higher rate than white people, one must naturally wonder how obvious the racism has to be for people to notice it being there.
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Of course racism doesnt exist. It sure doesnt, nuh uh.
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@zedvictor4
Immigrants commit less crime than rest of population. Its strange that nation of immigrants bans immigrants.
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What is endgame for this war?
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Every previous war was a mistake. But surely this one wont be.
How many times can it repeat? Americans keep falling for wars constantly.
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@Critical-Tim
When I started with debating, all I cared about was winning.
I wanted to win even if I was obviously being wrong.
Over time, I learned to not care about winning at all.
To me, it became more like role playing rather than debating.
I simply played the role which was good at given time.
It seems that I learned the most after I gave up. I didnt care about emotional wins and about defending my views.
I just cared to have a conversation, which made me learn.
I think its important that people give up on winning debates.
As long as person has attachment to winning, person is blind.
Blind to all the possibilities which other side has to offer.
People need to practice different, opposite views to gain the understanding.
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@Critical-Tim
Once a person fully grasps the consequences of ignorance and they are intentionally seeking out understanding of the world they will then appreciate the 12 traits and desire to embody them as they will be able to accomplish understanding much more effectively.
I think the best way is to ask: "What if I am wrong?".
That is the fundamental question. Some ignorance is not harmful, but some is. When being wrong results in bad consequences, we should make sure that we are not wrong.
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@Critical-Tim
If person admits lack of knowledge, it opens the path to learning and better complex view.
If person rejects knowledge and curiosity to upold a view, that is obvious path to ignorance.
But people hold onto this latter because they are attached to a certain view too much.
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@Critical-Tim
I think the problem might be in society shaming the lack of knowledge.
People will defend their position with fallacies to avoid being put to shame.
Saying "i dont know" is looked down upon, but it might be crucial.
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@Critical-Tim
Certainty
Our brain seeks certainty, in a sense. We want to have something that lasts. However, if we are certain about something, it might make us much less curious. Exploring the opposite side might become uninteresting. If I am certain that God exists, I might not explore arguments pointing contrary.
I think debating both sides is better. It opens the mind to entire world.
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@Critical-Tim
The question about curiosity
How to make people curious? How to make people explore different paths that dont interest them?
To me, it seems like people are only curious about that which confirms their world view.
They are not curious at all about that which goes contrary to their specific world view.
They often have defense mechanisms set to reject contrary without giving to it consideration at all.
It seems that such defense mechanisms play a role in defending their position when strongly challenged.
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@Critical-Tim
I would recommend to start with one point, preferably the most important point. I feel like right now, you are overwhelming readers with ideas and topics. It is difficult to work with that much in a one single read. These topics will get much more responses if they start with one point.
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@Sidewalker
No. I think he makes a very good point. These virtues are indeed necessary to properly understand everything.
Especially the attachment emotion being at core of ignorance.
I noticed that in my own case of reason. I get attachment to idea and cant let go. Even if idea cannot work, I still push it. I try to find ways to make it work.
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Kingdom of ends is a rather difficult moral standard to hold. Some decisions are such that not everyone is an end himself.
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@Greyparrot
The inflation harms poor the most. If you have 10000000, its easy. Bread goes from 3 to 6. Not any big deal for you. Very big deal for the poor. The war in Ukraine costs USA. It is paid by average taxpayer. Every war has an economical price. Without wars, everyone would be richer. Except the military complex, of course. Illegal immigrants are harmed by prices. They are cheap labor for economy.
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@Greyparrot
Homelessness is due to rent prices. Rent prices are due to inflation. Rent costs 2000 dollars per month. In 3rd world rent is cheaper. The US wage is 3000 dollars. People are not left with much. That problem existed for long time.
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The tent costs like about 80$. Why cant they buy a tent?
Yes, you should house illegal immigrants. There is moral perspective of helping.
Dont expect it will be good. For you, it will be bad.
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The main standard of bodily autonomy is not to decrease bodily autonomy.
This solves the moral issue of both examples by lack of action.
For example, in scenario 2, it is permissible, but not mandatory action.
So you would not be wrong for doing or not doing it.
Not doing it would be okay because it is lack of action. Lack of action is not morally wrong and is not an action.
Doing it would be okay as it increases autonomy of multiple people.
So anyone having problem with doing it wouldnt have to do it.
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Guys had a plan to overthrow election results. At this point, nobody can seriously defend them.
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@Critical-Tim
I noticed that when I like some idea a lot, I defend it despite everything. However, it often makes me disregard obvious problems with the idea.
Do you think that the source of all ignorance is attachment?
Because to me, it seems that only when a person is attached to some idea, person can diminish obvious counter evidence to prevent breaking the attachment.
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Money is the root of all evil. When at war, be ready to spend.
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Woke ideals promote social justice and equality.
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Through woke ideology, marginalized voices amplify.
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Woke fosters empathy and understanding among communities.
Open discussions challenge deeply ingrained societal biases.
By being woke, people educate themselves constantly.
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They foster environments where all thrive.
Woke is a catalyst for social progress.
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$862 billion - The amount of personal savings held by Americans, down from $2.3 trillion when Trump left office
Biden taxes the rich more. So rich now have less. War in Ukraine is there. There is no cheap war.
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@IlDiavolo
Thats a very strange death threat. You win this time, alien lover.
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