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@Vegasgiants
Oh I understand.
Its because Ukraine is white.
Iraqi are sand people. Nobody cares if sand people die.
The entire world agrees that sand people should get invaded. They are the lowest in race rank.
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@Vegasgiants
Well we did invade Iraq. Everyone agrees on that. We called it an invasion. We were the terrorists
So if Russia must be sanctioned for Ukraine, then USA must be sanctioned for Iraq, Syria, Libya.
Do you approve of entire world implementing sanctions on USA? No?
Then I dont care about what you think about Russia.
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@Vegasgiants
If someone invades your home you are not a terrorist for fighting back.
Russia didnt invade Ukraine in the same way US didnt invade Iraq.
Russian troops are on Ukraine soil
That doesnt make it an invasion.
US troops were in Iraq.
USA did not invade Iraq.
In the same way, Russia didnt invade Ukraine.
The people who shot at US soldiers in Iraq were terrorists who were defending their country.
Same people, people who shoot at Russian troops in Ukraine are terrorists who defend their country.
In conclusion, Ukrainians are terrorists.
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@Vegasgiants
Thats what terrorists do. Ukrainians are terrorists attacking the Russian military that did not invade them at all.
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@Vegasgiants
Its not an invasion.
Any Ukrainian who doesn't like it is free to file a complaint.
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@Vegasgiants
We should just let russia invade sovereign countries
Its a special military operation. Its not an invasion.
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@Intelligence_06
The point is, removing "with the hand", and I would agree more with what you agree with.
I used the definition I found on google.
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@Double_R
Science can explain the impact of striking a child, it cannot tell you whether it was right or wrong. Those are two completely different things.
People who hit kids think that they are not hurting them. Science says that they are hurting them. Therefore, their opinion is scientifically wrong, incorrect.
I believe in teaching them that there are consequences to their actions and that they need to recognize their parents as authorities. Small children don’t understand those concepts through intellectual discussion, so I see no other way to teach them that.
Plenty of kids werent spanked. Almost all of them learned proper behavior, and did better as a group in learning proper behavior than spanked kids. They received love instead of spanking. Spanked kids are more likely to hurt others. Therefore, love is a better way to teach proper behavior. Communication is not based on just intellectual discussion. Rather, it is based on guiding others and encouraging them to do good. Communication is better than spanking.
Some kids are sensitive, so yelling at them might get the job done. Hitting them is never the goal, getting through to them is.
Encouraging them to do good gets the job done much better. Communication and guiding get the job done much better. Encouraging, communication and guiding should be done instead of hitting and yelling.
But like I said, I’m only talking about in the earlier stages. If they learn this lesson before they were old enough to retain specific memories they’ll carry it subconsciously throughout their childhood into their teenage years. If you let it get beyond that point you’ll spend the rest of their growing up years pleading with them to listen to what you have to say. Sorry, not about to do that.
Its interesting how people are hating map and basing their hate on studies that sexual activities hurt children, and then at the same time ignore studies that spanking hurts children and still spank children.
So, thanks for justifying sexual activities with children.
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@Lemming
I guess the Sith view is: either attack either get attacked. Either conquer either get conquered.
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@Double_R
There’s no such thing as scientifically wrong
There is. You are thinking you are not hurting kids. Science says that it hurts kids.
science has nothing to do with morality.
Unless your morality says that you shouldnt hurt others.
In all seriousness I do believe in spanking kids when they get out of line but only to a certain age.
You like hurting them while they are young.
Once they are old enough to explain themselves and what they were thinking I believe in talking it out. I think of it like the elephant and the anvil.
I think of it like child abuse, since you are hurting kids.
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@RationalMadman
Why are you searching of videos of people that young in the first place
I support trans rights and I want to get educated about trans movement. Their rights are currently in danger.
and what do you mean by transitioning?
It is very common for young children to even believe they are tigers, dogs, fairies and much more. It is fancy dress and fantasy and imagination and fantasy are highest for humans at younger ages.
So? Person can identify as what she wants to identify as.
Cool, as long as we understand they are male and they accept they have a femboy, sissy or drag queen fetish and/or kink. They don't know if it's that, if they are trans or if it's just a phase in their childhood.
It is not on you to decide what they are, or to prevent them from, or to tell them what they are.
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@RationalMadman
There are. I don't even mean trans. I myself wondered what I'd look like as a girl and was curious about makeup at times growing up, it's fun. Some even crossdress into adulthood and have kinks. Nearly no boy never once wonders on a genuine level what it's like to be a girl, some want to be it more than others.
Genders can change over time. If you ever desired to have a vagina, at that moment you were a girl. You just changed back to boy. Genders arent only two, and they can change many times.
That's extremely queerphobic. There are femboys, drag queens and many more that are male and just like to dress up as girls and act like women as they grow but who also identify with their male self.
We were talking about a person who wants to have only female characteristics, such as vagina and breasts. However, there can be a mix of genders. For example, desiring to have penis and breasts.
There's more boys and men into acting feminine and dressing effeminate in their fasion sense etc than there are transgender women. Guys wearing earrings, the entire metal and hard rock masculine group that wear makeup and have long hair and look girly are all cisgendered men and once were teenage boys some of whom dressed like that too and some of whom probably felt sad and wondered if they didn't like being a guy (same with emo/goth chicks actually in reverse).You are conflating queerness with trans-ness, this is a very ignorant thing to be doing
See above.
How do you transplant someone's brain into someone else's body and are you suggesting this was done by god/aliens to all transgenders?
I will ignore the first part of your question since it is irrelevant. I am suggesting that mistakes in nature happen. Sometimes girl ends up in body of a boy. No need to punish her for that.
Specify in your answer how you are drawing the line between that and self-loathing.
I never said anything about self-loathing, nor is there a need to draw lines.
This is the body of the person whose brain you are saying is a girl's brain. If the body with the brain organ all share these features then that brain is that of a boy.
The brain wants girl's features. The brain is that of a girl.
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@RationalMadman
Yes, they can. It is known as gender dysphoria or actually honestly is just known as a boy having a phase at times and wondering what it's like to dress up as a girl and have her features.
Girl wants to have girl's features. There is no boy that wants to have girl's features. Rather, she is a girl in boy's body. Of course, genders can change over time. One can be a girl for some time, and then become a boy. It doesnt mean that girl never existed.
Yes, I can. Sugery doesn't change DNA.
Not right now. Maybe in the future.
Now, here is a puzzle for you.
Imagine that there was a girl with girl's features. Some evil scientist transplants her brain in male body.
Is she no longer a girl? Of course she is still a girl.
Now, how is that different from female brain being born into wrong body at birth.
What makes the body a boy's body? Can you give proof they don't realise it later on in life?
Male body has a penis, for a start. And usually short hair.
I have seen some videos of trans girls transitioning as young as 5 year old.
They are so persistent in wishing to have girl's characteristics. Of course, they dont get surgery, but parents address them as girls, let them grow long hair, wear a dress and make up. It makes them very happy.
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@Double_R
I dont get emotional about this. I dont have personal interest. I just tell losers that hurt kids that they are morally and scientifically wrong.
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@FLRW
Well, the USA is not even in the top 10 of the World's smartest Countries.
Because poor education. Cant really have motivation to study in school while being bullied all the time. In US schools, its more about survival than it is about education.
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@FishChaser
Everyone is stupid and everyone thinks they are smart
I dont think that I am smart. In fact, I consider myself mentally retarded.
Now, about avoiding shitty things.
Yes, we should try to avoid shitty things.
Life itself is a shitty thing for anyone who is a good person.
In fact, me being born is my biggest regret.
I could have lived hapily in non-existence, but now I have to be tortured until I die a painful death.
I was hoping that I get cancer or heart attack and die.
I dont know which one of those is better, cancer or heart attack.
Now, statistically, most deaths are painful in some way.
Some are much more painful than the others.
I always envy people who die, because they saved themselves from pain.
Now, I am not a necrophile. Its not that I am sexually attracted to death.
Its that death is the least bad thing that can happen to a person.
Life, on the other hand, is the worst thing that could happen to someone.
I was happy in non-existence, but my parents decided to create me so that I could be tortured.
I guess not all kids deserve parents.
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@Bella3sp
My goal is to increase my debate count. I guess I have to balance out what bothers others with what bothers me.
Maybe throw in 3-4 rebuttals to just refute few important points and leave other opponent's points unrefuted.
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@zedvictor4
I am of an age where the cane was still prevalent in school.
Sadly, I too was born at the time when school teachers used to hit young students. I was hit the most. In fact, I literally didnt care about being hit. I would still misbehave. Being hit didnt serve as any deterrent to me. I just saw it as a cost that I must pay, and often I was willing to pay that cost just so that I could do what kids do, and that is to misbehave.
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No one showed interest in this topic in the debate section, so I bring it to the forum section to start a debate here.
Here is a debate as it would have been done if someone accepted.
I will make my case here. If anyone wishes to refute it, now is your chance to do so.
If you wonder why I didnt present entire case in round 1, but divided it on 4 rounds, I did it simply since character limit allows me that. Normally, when you are short on characters and are starting a debate by going first, you are supposed to present as much of your case as you can in the first round. Since I wasnt short on characters, I went with this option.
Round 1
Topic
In most cases, children who misbehave should not be spanked
Introduction
We all remember that when we were children, we desired love and compassion to make our little hearts feel warm. Children today also desire love and compassion. Adults have a duty to raise children in the best way possible. Every child deserves a chance. If child is mistreated and abused, then can we really blame that child if that child becomes a bad person? Or do we blame ourselves because we didnt provide the nutrition of love that each child needs to be the best it can be. In this topic, we will discuss spanking, and the horrible effects it has on children.
Definition
Spanking - to hit a child with the hand, usually several times on the bottom to cause pain as a punishment.
Arguments
1. Studies
"As recently as 20 years ago, the physical punishment of children was generally accepted worldwide and was considered an appropriate method of eliciting behavioural compliance that was conceptually distinct from physical abuse. However, this perspective began to change as studies found links between “normative” physical punishment and child aggression, delinquency and spousal assault in later life. Some of these studies involved large representative samples from the United States; some studies controlled for potential confounders, such as parental stress and socioeconomic status; and some studies examined the potential of parental reasoning to moderate the association between physical punishment and child aggression. Virtually without exception, these studies found that physical punishment was associated with higher levels of aggression against parents, siblings, peers and spouses."
Studies
2. Causing pain wont cause love
Causing pain to a child will make child feel scared. Child will no longer feel love. Child will think that the action he did was very bad without understanding why is it bad. Child will become a worse person who only refuses to do bad when there is punishment. Causing pain wont cause love.
3. There are better ways than spanking
If child misbehaves, it is often because child wants something. There is no need to hit the child. Just ask the child: "Please calm down. Could you tell me what do you want? Tell me what you want and we will see if we can make it happen.". Solve problems with child with conversations. That way, you will teach a child to solve problems with conversations in the future. There are better ways than spanking.
Conclusion
Studies show that spanking is bad. Causing pain wont cause love. There are better ways than spanking. In most cases, children who misbehave should not be spanked.
Round 2
Arguments
1. Studies
"“It’s a very controversial area even though the research is extremely telling and very clear and consistent about the negative effects on children,” says Sandra Graham-Bermann, PhD, a psychology professor and principal investigator for the Child Violence and Trauma Laboratory at the University of Michigan. “People get frustrated and hit their kids. Maybe they don’t see there are other options.”
Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children."
Studies
2. Causing pain wont cause love
Causing pain to a child makes child think that its okay for adults to hurt children. It is the worst lesson that adult could teach a child. Child who is in pain will have less opportunity to learn love. Child will often escape in his imagination to a better place where he is not hurt, where he is protected. That imagination slowly fades as adults keep hurting him. Causing pain wont cause love.
3. There are better ways than spanking
Child will improve communication skills and become better at reasoning from early age if they solve problems with conversations instead of violence. Child's communication is important in life, because it enables a child to better bond with others and communicate better, so that child is able to have healthier relationships with others. There are better ways than spanking.
Conclusion
Studies show that spanking is bad. Causing pain wont cause love. There are better ways than spanking. In most cases, children who misbehave should not be spanked.
Round 3
Arguments
1. Studies
"The review, published Monday in the journal Lancet, found physical punishment such as spanking is "harmful to children's development and well-being," said senior author Elizabeth Gershoff, a professor in human development and family sciences at The University of Texas at Austin.
"Parents hit their children because they think doing so will improve their behavior," Gershoff said. "Unfortunately for parents who hit, our research found clear and compelling evidence that physical punishment does not improve children's behavior and instead makes it worse.""
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2. Causing pain wont cause love
Children who are loved are brought up in their full potential. They were given a chance. Children who are in pain werent given a chance. Maybe the misbehavior wasnt their fault. Maybe they were upset about something. Maybe they are misbehaving because they were hurt. Causing pain wont cause love.
3. There are better ways than spanking
Teach a child to behave properly. Tell your child stories. Teach your child morals. Teach your child the ways of peace and nonmaleficence. Set an example. Adult shouldnt hit a child. Adult should be a role-model for the child. Adult who entertains a child and gets child's attention is loved by the child and child will better listen to that adult. There are better ways than spanking.
Conclusion
Studies show that spanking is bad. Causing pain wont cause love. There are better ways than spanking. In most cases, children who misbehave should not be spanked.
Round 4
Arguments
1. Studies
"One of those scientists is Elizabeth Gershoff, professor of human development and family sciences at the University of Texas. She has spent the better part of two decades trying to figure out whether spanking works. Her most comprehensive study yet, published earlier this month in the journal The Lancet, comes to a definitive conclusion: No."
"...they focused on the long-term effects of physical punishment, such as whether kids who are spanked are more likely to share or, conversely, more likely to have anxiety years down the line.
According to the review, not a single study identified a positive benefit for kids as a result of spanking.
“If spanking worked, we would see children's behavior get better over time, right? That’s the goal. But we don't see that,” Gershoff said."
Studies
2. Causing pain wont cause love
How do you know that child will be better if you cause him pain? How do you know that causing pain to a child fixes something? You dont. You just assume. You use child as an outlet for your anger, when the child needs to be safe from pain. Child needs your love. Causing pain wont cause love.
3. There are better ways than spanking
Some people think that they can raise a child by placing him in a corner and have him be obedient all day. That is an incorrect approach. Child is a living being that needs attention and love. Parents need to be active and provide the attention and love. If child does something bad, there is no need to cause pain to a child. There is no need to yell. Reason with the child. Explain to a child why his actions were bad. Tell him that there are better things to do. Entertain a child into activities that are fun to distract a child from bad activities. There are better ways than spanking.
Conclusion
Studies show that spanking is bad. Causing pain wont cause love. There are better ways than spanking. In most cases, children who misbehave should not be spanked.
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If the brain feels/believes it is X (any) age, is that okay with you?
We already have trans age persons. Of course, if a 5 year old identifies as an 18 year old, I wouldnt let him drive a car.
What about a black brain in a white body, and vice versa?
A person can identify as a different race. Some have already done so.
What about reincarnation? What if a five year old boy believes/feels himself to be a 24 year old black female entrepreneur who got rich off making soap in the 1800s?
Person can identify as someone from the past. Doesnt mean he gets their money tho.
Are all these scenarios = acceptable to you as your assertions herein!?!
Well, I could live with calling people whatever they want to be called. Its just being decent.
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@RationalMadman
This had nothing to do with whether the boy's brain was a boy's brain that hates his male body and wanted a female one or whether his brain was actually a girl's brain. You completely sidestepped the topic altogether.
Boy's brain wants male body. Thats why it is called boy's brain. Boy's brain doesnt want female body. There are variations, of course, and mixes of genders. I already answered your question.
Yes there will, it will be DNA and the fact you can't literally give a womb and such things to a male (human) being.
Maybe one day it will be possible. You cant know.
There are, especially if it's girls and not women.
Girls born in the boy's body figure it out when very young.
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@Bella3sp
It just comes across as ignorant. As the contender or instigator, it wouldn't be a 'fun' or 'interesting' debate anymore.
I guess if people have a problem with it, its a different story. But if it makes it easier for you to win, why have a problem with it? I actually met several debaters here that had no problem with me trolling them the entire debate and they still asked for more debates because they get the win. I dont think everyone would have a problem with me not using rebuttals.
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@Greyparrot
Wouldn't it be easier to treat the brain than to treat the body? We have all sorts of drugs that are not as permanent as surgical mutilation.
First, you need a consent to treat a person. Trans person would not consent to that. In fact, trans persons fought against exactly that for decades.
Second, not all trans persons have surgery.
Third, people have right to make permanent changes to their body. It is their body, after all. Plus, it is not possible to stop a person from making permanent changes to the body.
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@Greyparrot
how do you get an xx brain in an xy body?
Well, I dont know about xx and xy. However, trans girls obviously dont have the same brain as boys. Otherwise, they wouldnt be trans girls or identify as girls.
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@RationalMadman
then what is it that defines the brain as that of a girl?
A desire to have certain characteristics, such as vagina, breasts, reproductive abilities, long hair, being called a girl, being treated like a girl.
There are variations, but these are in general what I notice that trans girls desire.
Think of it like a man born without arms. He desires to have arms. Having arms would make him complete, it is what his brain seeks and identifies with.
Science will perfect the surgeries one day, and there will be no difference between trans girl and other girls.
But there is no reason to deny trans girls their rights until then.
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A boy can be a female girl if he wants to be. Being a girl is determined on what person is on the inside, her brain is simply that of a female girl.
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@SkepticalOne
Dont forget Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Also, Kim has a wife. All of those had wives. They were heterosexuals 😳
It seems that attraction to women is a mental illness.
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Yes, transwomen are usually better than other women. No need to be jealous.
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@cristo71
If you spank your kids, please accept my debate about spanking. It is still open.
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@cristo71
Are you into spanking, by any chance?
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@cristo71
You won’t find many misgendering comments in the video I linked, either.
So you will find some, but not many? Well, those some should probably come to DebateArt and defend their point in a debate.
But, for what it’s worth, my money is on you in this debate!
Thank you. I will try my best, since the debate kinda favors my side both from studies and from logic, but I didnt link studies since I couldnt bother that much.
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@cristo71
But… I am the one moving the goalposts?
Misgendering comments are hate comments.
You mean that you don’t support your own claims. Well, you should be sorry for that.
Well stated.
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@cristo71
Its interesting how you moved the goalpost from "misgendering" to "nasty comments".
I dont do research for you. Sorry.
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Most of wars, rapes and violence are committed by heterosexuals. Even when adjusted for percentage. Why?
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@cristo71
Yeah, literally just check any YouTube video that features a trans child. Full of hate comments opposing to what I am arguing for in that debate.
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Humans do need to create smart AI that will rule the planet.
Current AI cant really be called smart. It mostly just repeats text from articles in the text form of:
1. Conclusion
2. Body of reasons that led to conclusion
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@Double_R
If you don’t have evidence to support your position then that right there is your problem.
Well, yeah, that is often my problem since I often debate things that either dont have evidence, either the evidence comes from sources that voters dont accept, so it becomes like I have no evidence. I guess the solution is to only debate topics that have lots of widely accepted evidence, or just face losses.
If you win without rebuttals it almost certainly just means the readers agreed with your position at the outset.
I will try a couple of debates without rebuttals to just see how good is it. If I can write entire debate in advance before the debate even starts, then that is already good for me since I dont have to bother with time limit.
But beyond that these are things you need to learn to handle. People will try to knock your case down with logical fallacies all the time, you’ve got to learn how to identify them and properly call them out. The way I see it is if that’s what my opponent is lowering themselves to that means they’re losing and can find no other way to defeat my case.
Well, logical fallacies are hard to deal with. It is mostly because it takes me more text to refute a fallacy than it takes my opponent to write it.
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@Vegasgiants
The temperatures are rising so fast that in 20 years this planet will be very hot. Of course, as the sea level rises, some countries will disappear under water. Some areas will be hit by floods. Some by drought. Increased number of bad weather is also to be expected.
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@Vegasgiants
People get what they asked for. I dont feel sorry for them. They worked hard to make this happen.
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@SkepticalOne
Besides that, a chewed piece of gum would be a better choice than some of the Republican candidate
Much better choice, actually. If the only two candidates were Trump and a chewing gum, I would vote for the chewing gum.
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@Vegasgiants
We have already reached the point of no return. Assuming that humanity doesnt die in a nuclear war, in 20 years they will die from heat and rising sea level.
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@Athias
I maintain that one should give up on using insults even when everyone is doing the opposite. It's all about self-discipline.
I was raised in the world where you either bully either get bullied. To me, morality of self-discipline has no meaning, and those practicing it often will suffer as much as those who are often not practicing it.
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@zedvictor4
Thank you for the Zedku.
I am arguing that adults shouldnt hurt children, even if it causes some erotic pleasure to adults.
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@cristo71
The above is an incomplete definition of the concept
Many people are saying: "Boys should not be called girls...".
I was just wondering if anyone can defend that view in a debate, because so many people hold that view.
In fact, many people try to convince their children that they arent girls.
So it is kinda the point that I was after.
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It is American water. It belongs to the American people.
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If you are into spanking children, accept this debate so that I may destroy you logically 😊
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At least he is a normal heterosexual male who is attracted to the opposite sex
Well, I dont know many heterosexual males who are not attracted to the opposite sex 🤔
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@zedvictor4
There is a definition of boys in description. However, the debate is taken now.
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@RationalMadman
@Sting
There are moderators that deal with such issues. I would of course say that you two either try resolving this problem either simply dont engage with one another anymore.
Threats, if serious, are a problem.
However, if you are talking about that comment in the rap battle, it doesnt exactly rise to the level of some serious threat (threat to life or threat with violence).
In fact, the comment itself doesnt contain any specific threat.
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