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@roosevelt
Wait, you blocked me... but you didnt block Kaitlyn??
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In order to live, you have to kill something.
Isnt life beautiful?
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@RationalMadman
The subjects taught me only minimal useful stuff.
Schools usually teach a lot of useless stuff. For example, I was never interested in biology. Yet I had to learn it. Hundreds of pages of it. I never used that knowledge anywhere in my life. I forgot almost all of it.
I can say the same for almost all subjects.
So naturally, one must wonder whats the point of teaching so many subjects. Parents force kids to learn useless knowledge to get good grades. So its just the parent's desire for approval.
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Most schools teach:
1) Knowledge
2) Rules, that are followed correctly by the lack of a certain bad action
What schools dont teach is doing good things, that is, doing the actions that are good.
Children are told to be quiet, to not cause problems. But children are not told "You must donate to charity today".
So why is following rules more important than doing good things?
If children were forced to do good things, wouldnt it be more likely that they will do more good things as adults?
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@Sir.Lancelot
Rejecting science just because it can be wrong is in the incorrect approach.
Accepting science when it is probably wrong is much worse approach, in my opinion. At best, I can admit that science is sometimes right, but I wouldnt exactly say that we should believe it all the time. However, I notice that many people accept everything what scientists say as pure facts.
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@TWS1405_2
That would hurt their feelings tho, and its not like you cant do your biology in private.
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@TWS1405_2
Being wrong about something means person doesnt know whats truth. So person cannot know if science is true. Science was proven wrong about gays, and Einstein was proven wrong too. That means Einstein could be wrong for believing in science, just as he was wrong about atomic bombs.
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@TWS1405_2
Okay. What do you lose when calling transwomen women?
Because if they say they like being called that, and it costs you nothing, where is the problem?
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@TWS1405_2
It means he could be wrong for thinking that science is real.
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@TWS1405_2
Emotional/mental pain is entirely subjective.
Okay lol
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@TWS1405_2
Einstein believed in science.
Einstein admitted he was wrong about atomic bombs. So he was probably wrong about plenty of other stuff too.
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His ideas are always valid. One could even say that they solve many if not all world problems.
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You have 72 hours maximum to prepare for nuclear war
Wait, how am I supposed to prepare for nuclear war? At best, I can hope that all the nukes miss me.
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I couldnt help noticing that society is slowly going back to oppressing transgender individuals.
I consider oppression of any kind to be bad not just for an individual, but for society as a whole.
Building society on hate should never be anyone's goal, as societies built on hate cannot last.
Transgender individuals have right to happiness. Preventing their happiness wont increase your happiness, but it will increase their pain.
Our society, in which just few decades ago your parents would kick you out of house if you told them you were gay and you would be homeless, today oppresses individuals who just want to be what they are.
Some people simply cannot accept that a person can want to be something more than what was given to that person at birth.
It costs you nothing to simply admit that a person can be what that person wants to be.
To place people in roles, against their will, is the same as enslaving them. Those roles, that people talk about, came from oppressive societies that existed in history. Those roles belong in history, not in present.
You wouldnt force someone to get married. You wouldnt force someone to have kids. Yet you want to force someone to be something simply because it suits your view.
However, we do not get to impose our views on others, as that is oppression.
If you want to be called the way you like to be called, why call others the way they dont want to be called?
If you want to be called a man, why call other person a man if that person wants to be called a woman?
It costs you nothing to call people the way they want to be called.
If you want to do that which makes you happy, why prevent others from doing the same?
After all, the standard is only just if it is universal.
If you dont want to feel pain, then you should also not want for others to be in pain.
Even if their pain is not your pain, it still follows that pain is bad irrelevant of who feels it.
If you desire freedom, then desire freedom for all. Desiring freedom only for yourself is both unjust and greedy.
Transgender persons cannot be denied of right to do what they want with their bodies.
If we do not own our body, then what do we own? Nothing.
If someone else gets to decide what we do with our bodies, then that person owns our bodies. If someone else owns our bodies, that is slavery.
You have nothing to lose by respecting others.
So why not do it?
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@zedvictor4
You use the internet, because scientists worked it out for you.
Well, that cant be true. What really happened is that God gave those scientists an internet and told them to give it to me. Yeah, that makes sense.
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@zedvictor4
My parents didnt need science to raise me. They just told me that every time I do something bad, God kills a puppy. Really improved my behavior and made me think of the consequences of my actions. This is why we need God.
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@zedvictor4
Science is the systematic study of the natural environment and it's processes, through observation and experiment.
Study means learning knowledge. That doesnt change anything in my definition. We already established that science can be wrong in its observation and experiment, so no need to repeat that.
Why do you utilise the internet when all you need to do is pray and think of a GOD?
God told me to use internet. Obviously.
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@zedvictor4
Don't think you quite understand what science actually is
The knowledge located in people's brain and written knowledge.
I was tempted to say "correct knowledge", but we know that scientists were wrong about many things that they claimed were correct. It means that what was believed to be science was wrong. Therefore, science is wrong.
I wanted to do some research into gene mapping.
Why would you do that when you can pray instead and think about God.
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@Vegasgiants
So you've never seen a doctor and never will?
I have been to the doctor as a kid, not really by choice. I have been forced to take psychiatric drugs too. Nothing by choice.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There are no poison wells in logic.
Logic is produced by the scientist. Scientist can be wrong. Logic can be wrong.
A person can be wrong but reason cannot be. The error originates from imperfect information or imperfect reason.
So first you say that reason cannot be wrong, but then you say that it can be wrong. However, we know that reason is wrong because scientists produce reason. Scientists are wrong. Therefore, reason is wrong.
At most it is a reason to learn the science when there are clues you are being misled.
Science changes all the time. Since you can never have all knowledge, you can never know if your reason is correct.
I'm not saying scientists are infallible. I say reason is infallible.
Reason is part of a scientist. Scientist is wrong. Reason is wrong. We have already seen where scientist's reason was wrong regarding gays and smoking. Scientist used reason to tell us that gays are wrong, then he changed his mind and proved himself wrong.
Therefore, reason and logic can be wrong, since they are part of people and people are wrong.
Bible, on the other hand, never changes and was never proven wrong. So people should learn the Bible.
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@Vegasgiants
Why would I see anyone? The sooner I die, the sooner I go to heaven. Besides, I never get sick because I drink prayer water which keeps away bad thoughts and diseases at the same time.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Finally, I see you now have the racial pride flag as your avatar.
I now have an alliance with the pride people.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Science didn't say "gay is wrong" people role playing as scientist did.
You cannot separate science from scientist. Science only exists in scientist's head and in what scientist has written.
Therefore, if science comes from scientists and scientists were proven wrong, then science was proven wrong.
Science comes from scientists and scientists were proven wrong.
Science was proven wrong.
Science is reason applied to repeatable observation
Reason requires a person. Person can be wrong. Reason can be wrong. Observation can be wrong. Science can be wrong.
Just because someone claims to be a scientist does not mean their pronouncements were the result of applying reason to repeatable observation.
So you cannot know who is a scientist using science and who is not. Another reason not to trust science.
Science didn't change its mind.
Science is produced by scientists. Scientists produced different contradicting science. Contradicting means changing mind. Therefore, science changed its mind.
but if you were applying the same standard you would have to admit the preachers and the bishops are always changing their minds and disagreeing with each other.
I didnt say that bishops are infallible. I said Bible is infallible. Bible didnt change its mind.
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@FLRW
Einstein advocated for use of atomic bombs, but then changed his mind some time after. That means he admitted he was wrong.
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100 years ago, scientists said that gay is wrong and a mental illness.
Today, scientists say that gay is okay.
Therefore, science changes its mind all the time.
Bible never changes its mind because Bible is the Infallible Word of God. Bible can never be proven wrong.
Science was proven wrong many times. For example, scientists used to claim that smoking is healthy.
Science changes. But my Bible doesnt.
My Bible will say the same thing in 20 years as it does today. Scientists wont. Thats because Bible is infallible, and science makes mistakes all the time.
Would you trust a person who changes his mind often?
Nuh-uh.
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@FLRW
Bible explained the entire bloodline of humans much before science. Thats why I dont believe in science.
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@FLRW
I dont think thats true. Person can move to Canada, therefore increasing Canada's population. That doesnt mean person didnt exist before moving to Canada.
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@IlDiavolo
In that case, its probably not a good idea to let muslims in after bombing their countries.
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@FLRW
Your Afterlife will be the same as your Beforelife
I dont remember what my beforelife was like. Maybe it was good, but I dont remember it.
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1. Does God want you to become a cult leader and commit mass suicide?
Well, probably not. I am not one of those who condemn suicides tho. I understand that life is too painful for some people.
2. Does God want you to murder your entire family when things get tough to spare them the pain of this life?
I dont have children, so I guess they are already saved from pain.
3 does God want you to live a life that sucks by avoiding fun things like orgies or tattoos or pork all because the next life will make the shitty life you have all worth it?
Pork? I literally find all meat disgusting.
Tattoos? I dont care about tattoos.
Orgies? Well, I cry while I masturbate. Thats just as good.
Is it worth it? Not sure. I am still trying to figure out why God created me.
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@IlDiavolo
People dont like being called incels. I mean, if thats not obvious, then I dont know what is.
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Well, I can live with that. I guess its just logic from now on.
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@TWS1405_2
What’s with the Skittles colors for your avatar???
Its a pride flag.
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@IlDiavolo
Calling someone who doesn't fuck an incel is not a punishment whatsoever.
Well, no, of course not. People enjoy being called incels, losers... no?
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I am not really in favor of such culture. Technically, in capitalism, you have a right to not do buisness with a certain group that you dont want to do buisness with. But such right is simply taken too far sometimes. People depend upon stores to live. Thats where they buy food. When right of a buisness becomes more important than right of a people to live, is when society has a problem.
I simply dont see the point of denying services to people you disagree with.
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@Roosevelt
Tell me how killing gay people would increase life then
It wouldnt. I think its wrong to kill gays.
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@IlDiavolo
3. Paid sex.
Well,
A) only possible for those with money
B) doesnt negate shame
4. Masturbation
Doesnt negate shame.
So, there is no excuse to rape.
This isnt about excuses to rape.
To put it simply, this is about society punishing those who choose not to rape.
There are two options:
1. Person refuses to rape
2. Person chooses to rape
1 should be encouraged, not punished. Why punish people who dont rape? Why cause pain and shame to person who doesnt commit the crime?
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@ponikshiy
People fall for shaming tactics all the time. Are you seriously trying to say that autistic people cant feel shame, cant be shamed by society?
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So any woman who can’t have a child should be killed
I dont think that would increase life.
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@TheUnderdog
What is the consistent theme of the GOP?
I dont think there is one.
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@TheUnderdog
Many policies the right advocates for are not based on popular support
Sorry, I meant to say there "on popular support of right wing voters".
What's the difference between increasing happiness and decreasing pain?
Well, for example, not giving birth to children would eliminate all pain those children would feel, but it would also eliminate all happiness. Giving birth increases pain for those children who are born, but also increases their happiness.
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@TheUnderdog
Where in the bible does it say that?
One of the 10 commandments is thou shall not kill.
One of the first commands God gave to humans was "multiply and fill the Earth".
So the conclusion from that is: "increase of life" is the standard of the Bible.
The New Testament says: "Dont resist the evil doer", "Dont seek revenge", and repeats "Do not kill".
"Do not kill" has meaning of increase of life, since not increasing life is equal to killing life that would have existed if not killed.
So with "increase of life" and "do not resist the evil doer", it follows that Christians, when faced with situations where they have to choose, can choose one of those two.
Bible matthew 5:39
Bible Romans 12:19
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@Roosevelt
Students can attend a college close to home and avoid those costs
You do understand that not everyone has college in their neighborhood?
And the list of those who have desirable college in their neighborhood is even smaller.
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I dont think there needs to be just 1 standard.
I think there can be two of equal value.
For example, "increasing happiness + decreasing pain".
A person, when faced with situation where he has to choose between the two, can choose any of the two as they are considered equally important.
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Eh, its difficult to say.
For example, Bible commands "increase of life + not resisting evil".
Therefore, a Christian has a choice to either act to save lives or to not act at all and therefore not resist evil.
Its a perfect mix, since for some people in some cases saving lives is too difficult of a burden to be followed.
However, right wing policies are based on popular support and while partially based on the Bible, they most certainly arent entirely based on the Bible.
They are simply based on democratic choice of right wing voters.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I remember this guy from YouTube, nicknamed Zazef.
As a kid, he made a video on YouTube called "I got hugged by a girl". The video went viral.
For years, he posted videos of him approaching adult girls and getting rejected. He could never get a girl.
People teased him in comments, shaming him for being virgin.
When he turned 18, he was arrested for trying to date a 13 year old.
His videos are still on YouTube.
He had autism and couldnt communicate properly. Shaming from society made him try date a minor instead of trying to date an adult, as he was rejected by adult girls so many times.
Pressure from society to get a girl made that guy go in wrong direction.
Sometimes, people impose society's pressure on themselves. If society shames person for being a virgin, then person starts feeling shame for being a virgin. Person tries to remove shame he feels by going in the wrong direction.
So yes, "damned if you do, damned if you dont" is a sign of society's failed morality.
Some people prefer to risk doing illegal things to remove shame they feel about being virgins, shame imposed on them by society.
If there are people who will commit a crime due to being shamed for being virgins, then shaming virgins increases the chance of a person to commit a crime.
There are people who will commit a crime due to being shamed for being virgins.
Shaming virgins increases the chance of a person to commit a crime.
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@Intelligence_06
Hence the question: why condemn both?
Why condemn people who choose not to rape?
These options:
1. Punish 1 and punish 2
2. Not punish 1 and punish 2
3. Encourage 1 and punish 2
Option 1. makes it least desirable to be 1, while all 3 options are same punishment for 2.
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@Intelligence_06
not being able to have sex consensually
People who cant have sex consensually are either virgins either rapists.
Therefore, condemning people who cant have sex consensually means condemning virgins who cant have sex consensually.
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Before you all get upset about this topic, try to abandon your defensive stance for a second to actually understand what I am about to tell you.
In our society, there are lots of men who have consensual sex with women.
However, there are also men who are completely rejected by women. Lets talk about those men, and see how society encourages them to rape women.
If a man cant have sex consensually, then he can:
1. Stay a virgin
2. Rape
Our society should, by all standards in such cases, encourage 1 and condemn 2.
However, our society condemns 1.
By condemning 1,
by calling virgin men incels and losers, society is pushing virgin men towards committing 2.
Consider this example:
If a man rapes a woman, they call him an abuser.
If he doesnt rape her, they call him an incel.
So why is a person punished for choosing not to rape?
By all standards, 1 should be encouraged, but our society discourages and punishes 1.
So naturally, the question is: why?
Why punish people for being virgins? Why insult people who are virgins?
If somebody cant get sex consensually, thats not his fault. So why tease and insult someone for something thats not his fault?
This is especially common among young people, where they shame others for being virgins.
So one must wonder, why does society punish those who choose not to rape anyone?
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@oromagi
The way you've created an insulting nickname especially for Roosevelt, gotten others to target him with you
Does Roosevelt even get a warning for insulting so many people on the site?
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