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What most people dont understand about genes is that different combinations can have same result.
For example, in math these two different combinations have same result:
1 + 5 = 6
3 + 3 = 6
Therefore, it is very likely that there are multiple combinations of genes that result in homosexuality.
Searching for just one gene or one combination that fits all cases could be the reason why they still havent discovered "gay gene".
I believe AI will do better job than humans when searching for such pattern.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The hypothesis is that sexual deviants don't form reproductive relationships.
There are these options:
1) Its a part of a genetic chain as reproductive pattern, where, for example two straight people who have sex have 1 in 100 chance of producing a homosexual offspring. Pattern repeats and pattern is inherited. Therefore, even if offspring is heterosexual, that offspring inherits the pattern. When offspring reproduces, his children still have 1 in 100 chance of being homosexual.
2) Its a combination of genes. When male and female have sex, genes are combined in a unique way. Its just not yet discovered which particular combination results in homosexual.
3) Reproduction by reproduction of environment - Certain environment produces homosexuals. As long as that environment reproduces, homosexuals will reproduce even if no homosexual has children.
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@Public-Choice
So there is a much greater correlation between sexual abuse and homosexuality
Being sexually abused is not a choice, so if homosexuality is in some cases result of sexual abuse, then it cannot be a choice at the same time.
What must be noted is that correlation can only be treated as causation by rule of all other options being excluded.
For example, we know that some people who were sexually abused didnt become homosexual. We also know that many homosexuals werent sexually abused. Therefore, we cannot say that sexual abuse causes homosexuality or that sexual abuse is the only cause of homosexuality.
Clearly, there is something more than just sexual abuse which plays the role in creating a homosexual.
While sexual abuse may increase the chances of person becoming homosexual, there is no direct causation. There are other parts of the causation that are not yet discovered.
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@Greyparrot
In an event of attack, plenty of UK politicians would use the attack as an argument to ban muslims from migrating to UK. They would use muslim's status as a protected class as an argument that such status allowed the attack to happen. In other words, the attack by muslims would just harm muslims.
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I dont understand why they target UK specifically. I mean, sure, UK was involved in wars against muslim countries. However, plenty of other countries did too. What makes UK special for them?
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@Double_R
I have asked multiple times for anyone here to provide a single example of where a person can choose to make themselves aroused
Being aroused is a feeling, like happiness, pain or hunger. Choosing what to feel is impossible, otherwise I would choose to be happy all the time and to not feel any pain. I dont know why people insist that attraction is a choice, other than to try to put blame on a person for being gay. I mean, imagine trying to change your attraction. How would you even do that?
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@Athias
The subject of choice is essentially futile. It doesn't matter whether there's a choice or not.
I agree that it holds little to no value, but to some people it does so I went with that to make topic.
Acting on attraction comprises, at least in part, one's sexuality.
Yes. Attraction is part of that equation, just not the only part.
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And considering all the other problems going on, going after a retiree who isn't going to hurt anyone any more is a low priority.
If a person is retiree, he shouldnt answer for crime of killing million people. Justice is not important.
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Have you ever wondered how some people are able to have endless conversations about the dumbest things possible?
It seems that there are people who are able to have daily endless conversations about cats, dogs, cars...
Now, to have endless conversation where both sides are constantly agreeing with each other seems impossible. Yet I see people do it all the time.
I figured out there must be a pattern.
And yes, there is a pattern.
Take this example, just to make a case:
"Cat owners are people of high class and good being."
This sentence says:
Cat owners = people of high class.
Cat owners = people of good being.
Therefore, "cat owners" are put in group of "people of good being" and in the group of "people of high class".
How would you respond, to continue the conversation?
Very simple.
You must do one of these:
1) Say what other group belongs in group of "people of good being"
Or
2) Say what other group belongs in group of "people of high class"
Or
3) Say what other group do "cat owners" belong in.
Or
4) Say what other group belongs in "cat owners"
Or
5) Say what group do "people of high class" belong in
6) Say what group do "people of good being" belong in.
So the conversation goes like:
-Cat owners are people of high class and good being
Response:
-I would say that dog owners are people of good being too
Therefore, we place "dog owners" in group of "people of good being" to continue the conversation.
Simply, no matter what the other person says, just use one group the person previously mentioned and add something to it or add that group to something.
-Cat owners are people of high class and good being
- I would say that dog owners are people of good being too
-I agree, dog owners love animals in the same way cat owners do
-Loving animals is a sign that person loves everyone and cares about others
-If my cat has a problem, I care for her as if she is a human being. Her pain becomes my pain.
-If people dont care for the pain of an animal, how can they care for pain of humans?
-Humans need to help animals, since they are so similar to us
-Some people think that they have no duty to help animals. That bothers me.
-If someone is suffering, they have a duty. Everyone needs to know that.
-I dont understand how can people still hunt animals and increase their suffering. I would feel disgusted if I lived off someone's suffering.
And so on to infinity. Two persons can basically ramble forever by just using groups previously mentioned by other person, and then adding to those groups or adding those groups to something.
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You say you would like to do it, but none of you Americans are doing anything to make it happen. So you are either lying either mentally disabled.
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@Vegasgiants
I say hahaha when I see Biden falling.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Oromagi's rationality might be questionable overall, but I do have an alliance with LGBT now, so I am ready to overlook Oromagi's bias.
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So why dont you seek to punish Bush?
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Best action for a country is to steal from other countries. So I assume you think Putin is justified too, and Hitler. Now naturally, if you were consequentialist, you would know that accepting stolen things is wrong even if you didnt steal them yourself.
But who wants to be a consequentialist these days.
Much easier to 1. Elect a war criminal, 2. Have him steal from others and give it to us, 3. Accept the stolen goods while denying personal responsibility, 4. Repeat.
Also, there is no need to sentence a war criminal, since he helped USA by stealing from other countries and bombing them.
Evil was beneficial for Americans. So Americans like and tolerate evil when it benefits them.
This is who spreads democracy around the world?
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@Vegasgiants
If science is not clear, then that means we must trust our belief and believe that gay is a choice. Of course, one must wonder why gays in muslim countries chose to be gay. Maybe they like getting killed by muslims.
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@Vegasgiants
The way I was treated in life was also incorrect, so cant really expect correct from incorrect.
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So lawyer was also justified because he thought his evil would benefit him.
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He wanted to steal some oil. Evil, but at least a tangible goal that could benefit america.
I am glad that you think that evil benefits America. For a second, I thought you guys were honest people who would never justify evil. Glad you proved me wrong.
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I concede that all of your presidents are war criminals.
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Bush was a monster who killed alot of people. But he at least took his job seriously.
Wait, what?
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If only presidents were required to follow certain professional standards, maybe US would have less criminals as presidents.
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Fundamentally flawed legal opinion would be to think you should have a war criminal living comfortably in your country, such as Bush. Remind me again, why didnt Bush face charges for war crimes and lying about the weapons of mass destruction?
Hey, maybe Canada has weapons of mass destruction. Maybe invade Canada next.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Oromagi is gay, so he is already biased on the topic.
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Ridiculously flawed legal opinions such as supporting Trump instead of supporting US criminal war machine.
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The proper way would be:
1) Person is homosexual from birth
2) Person is not homosexual from birth
1 means its not nurture.
2 means it is nurture.
Very simple. Even if homosexuality displays later in life, it does not automatically mean its nurture, since person can contain homosexuality from birth and only display it later in life.
However, none of the two options imply that it is a choice.
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@Double_R
There is a false idea that something must be made by genes or by nurture or by choice.
If we assume that the last two options are obviously excluded, false idea suggests that sexual attraction is made by genes.
The reason it is false idea is due to no evidence that person is only defined by these 3: genes, nurture or choice.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I simply dont have enough force power to choose to be sexually aroused and satisfied by a pillow. If I did, that would be great.
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@Double_R
Choosing to be aroused doesnt really work. Its like choosing not to feel pain. At best, you can drink to try and lower sexual arousal.
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@Kaitlyn
If I could choose to be a homosexual, I would choose so. Then I could blame the world for oppressing me while waving the pride flag.
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@Vegasgiants
I am glad that I am welcome. Iraq is glad too. Children thank the US military for bombing them.
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@Double_R
I used to fuck pillow when I was a kid. Not really much fun.
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@Vegasgiants
as the leading democracy on the planet
Planet thanks you for all the war crimes you committed.
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So if you are Trump's friend, you lose a law license. But if you justify endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then nothing happens. Sounds like there are some double, triple standards, where committing war crimes goes unpunished.
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@oromagi
Obama too is a criminal. A war criminal 😀
Its just that being a war criminal is legal if you are president of USA.
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Do you like disjunctive syllogism?
Of course you do.
Despite complicated name, its actually very simple logic.
Let me give you an example:
It will rain today or I wont bring an umbrella.
If one sentence is true, the other isnt. Very simple.
It is true that it will rain today.
It is false that I wont bring an umbrella.
Let me give you another example
Homosexuals deserve human rights or homosexuals should be tortured.
It is true that homosexuals deserve human rights, therefore it is false that homosexuals should be tortured.
Disjunctive syllogism is there to show options in arguments. It is usually consisted of 2 opposite options, where one must be true and one must be false.
It is useful in limiting your opponent's case and forcing him to argue for things he doesnt want to argue for.
This logic can be consisted of more than two options, however all options in it must be in the form of "one of these is right, the rest are false" logic.
Presenting options is useful to make case clear and to present the consequences of each option being true or false.
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@Lemming
Well, if I have to offer something to the advantage of the devil, it might not work out well, depending on what it is. If its just my soul, I would agree to trade my soul to improve the world.
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@Lemming
Oh, I wouldnt be selfish. I would make pact with the devil so that I can rule the world to make the world a better place. I am just not sure what would I have to give to the devil so devil would let me do that.
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@Lemming
My determination is rather bad. I would even make pact with the devil so that I could rule the world. Sadly, the devil doesnt make such pacts anymore.
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@IlDiavolo
I assume that they hate suicide because of thou shall not kill command. But the Bible does say that he who doesnt enjoy life, it is better that he wasnt born. So yes, my stance is if there is only pain in life, suicide should be allowed.
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@Lemming
My nurture was very poor. I am really suprised that I turned out this well.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
My courage is not very high. I am afraid to speak my opinion sometimes. I dont care much about social credit, since I am not a very popular person anyway. Most people who spend some time with me end up hating me because I say weird things.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I feel oppressed by God as I cant understand why God made me this way. Sympathizing with me is unnecessary, I agree.
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@Double_R
I also hide my sexual attraction and not talk about it, but people around me already know that I have it.
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@Vegasgiants
I wish I could choose everyday to not feel attraction.
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@Vegasgiants
Scientific evidence is good for an argument, however it simply does not convince me. If there is a way to choose to be attracted to women, I simply dont see such way.
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@Vegasgiants
Choosing to be sexual means choosing to feel sexual attraction. I never felt like I was able to choose sexual attraction. No matter how hard I try, women simply arent sexy.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Asexual would be better, considering that person wouldnt need to masturbate as much.
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@Vegasgiants
Maybe you could learn to plant peas.
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@Vegasgiants
Your welcome.
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@Vegasgiants
Choosing is fun. However, my feelings come without my choice. They are like pain.
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