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@Intelligence_06
But you concluded surely the former despite there being “no” sure logical basis for so.
Yes. There is no sure logical basis for anything, not even for this sentence.
What makes you so sure?
If we accept any logical standard, we prove God. If we reject all logical standards, we cant prove anything then.
Also, as an “atheist”, I would believe that God “does” exist as an idea
This has nothing to do with God as an idea, but people feeling that God exists, people talking to God, people hearing and seeing God.
So either feelings are true and God exists, either feelings are false and nothing exists.
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@zedvictor4
And unless you vocalise your prayers, they will only occur internally as temporary bursts of internal electro chemical activity.
No, God hears my prayers.
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@Intelligence_06
You have essentially said that:God can be proven using fallacious logicBut not that:God can be proven using non-fallacious logicSo did you prove anything? No.
If you read it again carefully, you will see that all human logic is fallacious.
"Non-fallacious logic" doesnt exist.
Therefore, either God exists either nothing does.
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@zedvictor4
Does Best Korea exist?
Does anything exist?
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There are a total of 2,821,364 deaths
So what. Nobody cares.
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@TWS1405_2
You cannot prove the existence of A without clearly defining what A even is!!!
Definition =/= proof of existence
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@Vegasgiants
So atheism can only exist if God exists.
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@Vegasgiants
I dont believe in your atheism or you. I believe in God since he talks to me.
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@Vegasgiants
I dont believe that you dont believe in God.
I believe that atheism doesnt exist.
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@Vegasgiants
Sorry, I dont believe in atheism.
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@Vegasgiants
I prefer to believe that God exists.
The idea that nothing exists seems kinda boring, despite the situation we are in: either God exists, either everything is false.
I can feel God. He talks to me. So I believe he exists.
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@Vegasgiants
As I said, either God exists either nothing exists.
We are currently trying to prove if atheism exists.
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@Vegasgiants
So either God exists either nothing exists.
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@Vegasgiants
Okay, you seem to be on about God, when the topic is the belief in atheism and if atheism actually exists.
I assume you cannot prove that atheism exists.
I have already proved that either God exists either nothing does.
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@Vegasgiants
Okay, let me make this simple for you.
First, prove that you exist.
Second, prove that your feelings exist.
Third, prove that your feelings are actually feeling atheism.
Fourth, prove that your feelings arent lying.
If you cant do this, then we might as well conclude that atheism doesnt exist.
And the other thread did prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God exists, but that is not the topic.
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@Vegasgiants
There is no proof that you exist, so what you feel doesnt matter.
Plus, this topic is not about proving that God exists.
This topic is about proving that atheism exists.
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@Vegasgiants
You see atheism? I dont.
You feel atheism? I dont.
You hear atheism? I dont.
There is no proof that you exist either. Please present some better proof.
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@Vegasgiants
What I want is simple: provide proof that atheism exists.
I dont believe that atheism exists.
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@Vegasgiants
You still didnt present proof of atheism existing.
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@Vegasgiants
Try a little better than that.
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@Vegasgiants
Nice. Maybe now prove that atheism exists.
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@TWS1405_2
The topic is not about what atheism is, but to prove if atheism exists.
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@stephen
Okay, we get it, there is some violence. Yeah, horrible, okay, but necessary.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Bible is not for the sensitive people, since the Old Testament does contain a little bit of violence.
If a person is sensitive, its best to skip the Old Testament and read only the New Testament.
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Human logic can be only one of these 3:
1) Circular
2) Based on premises which are accepted as truth without asking for reason for the premises
3) Infinite reasoning
All 3 of these forms of logic are flawed.
1) is a logical fallacy.
2) is based on no proof.
3) cannot be proven at all, since infinity cannot be demonstrated.
However, if we accept any of these as basis for our logic, we end up proving God.
1) Circular logic: God exists because Bible says so. Bible is true because it is the word of God.
2-1) Unquestionable premise: God exists because it says so in the Bible. Bible is unquestionable.
(Awkward moment for people who think feelings are unquestionable).
2-2) If feelings are unquestionable, that means God exists because many people feel the presence of God.
3) Infinite reasoning: God exists because of infinite amount of reasons, such as God1, God2, God3...
So therefore, no matter what logic we use, God exists.
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@zedvictor4
I still care about Communism, since there is proof that God's kingdom is basically Communism.
But I dont care that much about crime rates. I cant really affect it other than with sending prayers.
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@Intelligence_06
That is exactly what you sound like.
Sorry, I thought you were going to present an argument.
Yeah, and if you don't read the news, Biden is still not the president. If you never read the history books, NASA never sent people to the moon. If you don't study history, the Europeans did not colonize the US and Americans just popped out of nowhere. Yeah yeah.
This is just mindless rambling.
Since my logic is obviously too complicated for you, let me explain it in the dumbest way possible hoping that you will understand.
1) Read the news = Biden is president
2) Feel God, see God, hear God = God exists
3) Hear stories about atheism = atheism exists
Therefore, if I feel God, hear God and see God, the only way for you to disprove that is to say that my feelings arent real, therefore saying that 1) and 3) arent real either.
And yes, you forgot to present proof of atheism actually existing. I cant see atheism or feel it, so I dont think it exists.
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@Vegasgiants
You still cant prove it wrong, so yes since the goal was to prove that atheism exists, the goal was not achieved.
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@Vegasgiants
You cant prove it wrong, so it still stands that atheism doesnt exist.
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@Vegasgiants
If no one can prove anything, then no one can prove that atheism exists.
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@Vegasgiants
You cant prove that either, but thats irrelevant to the topic.
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@hey-yo
Since you said no one owns the foreskin, then no one has a right to cut it.
If you do have a right to cut that which you dont own, then why is me cutting off your ear wrong?
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Therefore, if my feelings are real, then God exists.
If my feelings arent real, then atheism and atheists dont exist.
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I dont believe in atheism, since there is no proof that it exists.
We heard stories about it, but stories are for babies.
So unless you can prove to me that you and your atheism actually exist, the only logical thing to do is to believe in God since I know that he exists as I can feel him talking to me.
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Women should not be in education.
They are baby factories and should care for babies. That is good and makes sense.
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What I do care about is going to heaven. Lets face it, if I am promised to be an angel after I die, its not like you can screw that up for me.
You murder me? That just means I go to heaven immediatelly.
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I dont care about crime rates. I dont even know why you ask me that.
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@oromagi
Common oromagi 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Show Bones the power of your rainbow
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@iwantroosevelt
I don’t worship Jesus because he was just a man who indulged in drugs. I don’t believe in God because I’m not so weak minded that I need a fairy tale to cling to.
Here we have an example of a person committing unpardonable sin. Probably not your first time.
Also, calling Christians weak minded when your LGBTQ ideology is where humans pretend to be dogs and unicorns, and where you cannot separate morality from feelings? How very nice.
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@hey-yo
Oh no. Did I hurt your feelings?
Like I said. It only displays your ignorance and lack of credibility.If you want to look bad, thats on you.
Oh no. The little circumciser baby called me ignorant.
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@hey-yo
Some incidences have been proven to occur by accident or without intent.
Without intent? Thats called when you dont have the knowledge of consequences. Irrelevant to doctor having intent to perform circumcision which he knows will result in death. Therefore, desiring death.
However, surgery is not a loaded gun nor is circumcision
Except that loaded gun kills people and circumcision kills people.
Proof please? Where in bible does it define intent? I am in disbelief.
Well, if you read further from 10 Commandments, you would have found the explanation.
Leviticus 5:17 says that you are guilty in some cases even if you dont have the knowledge of an action.
Leviticus 4:27 relates unintentional to not being aware of.
Lol. Where is the pleasure? Who is having pleasure? The doctor or the parent, and then please prove your position that a doctor is obtaining pleasure
Well, its not for the health of the baby, so you either do it for money or for pleasure. Which is it? And parents are obviously not doing it for money, so for pleasure.
Since you basically said that people dont own their bodies, that is just proof of how far you are willing to go in defending circumcision.
See difference?
No. I dont. Also explain to us what does it mean to be human and person. Go ahead. We are waiting. If you cannot explain it, it will be really awkward for you.
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You know, Jesus is white
So he is not black? Thats why you cant worship him?
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There is no God you idiot
You will remember those words once you go to hell to burn.
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That is only a fallacy if the authority offered is not a actually an expert.
Actually, the fallacy is usually made by labeling someone "an expert".
For example, God is the biggest expert. So God still wins.
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@oromagi
Tiresias was a priest of Apollo who became a woman for seven years, married a man, had children, and then changed back.
Makes sense.
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