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@zedvictor4
If you start them soon enough you can make anyone think anything.
True. I see many people in real life who have brain power of a cat. So I assume they still believe everything they were told at the age of 4-7.
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@zedvictor4
Are we witnessing the typical rise and fall of a Russian regime.
Russia does tend to change regimes often ☹
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@zedvictor4
I assume that Best.Korea is an assumption.
Thats okay. Best.Korea also thinks that Best.Korea is an assumption 😁
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@Math_Enthusiast
So how is accepting that "it is true that you are real" different from accepting that "Bible is true"?
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@oromagi
CHAT GPT is imperfect but certainly exponentially more objectively honest than you.
Lets take a look at your "more objectively honest" CHAT GPT.
US bombings and crimes during the Korean War: While it is true that there were civilian casualties and extensive bombings during the Korean War, describing them as equivalent to terrorism is an oversimplification. The conflict was complex, and atrocities were committed by multiple parties involved
So your CHAT GPT says
Bombing civilians is not terrorism or crime because:
1) The conflict was complex
2) Multiple parties committed crimes
What your brain dead Chat GPT fails to understand is that "complex" has nothing to do with something not being a crime.
Therefore, ask your Chat GPT how is it true that "conflict being complex makes bombing civilians not a crime".
Another thing that your brain dead Chat GPT fails to understand is
""multiple parties committed crimes = no one committed crimes" is obviously false", but your Chat GPT doesnt know that apparently.
The US is directly responsible for killing millions of civilians in Korea, and for bombing civilian targets. Therefore, it is the US who committed greatest crimes.
Now, if you are going to write an argument, try write it yourself. I dont want to waste more time with brain dead ChatGPT.
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@Stephen
I didn't ask for a description , I asked for a definition.
You cannot have definition without description.
You really are a bible dunce aren't you. Angel simply means - messenger. Angel derives from the Greek angelos, a translation of a Hebrew word meaning "messenger."
Sorry, but "messenger" doesnt tell us much. So my definitions are still better.
Then stop introducing things into the topic ( YOUR TOPIC) that are irrelevant.
Let me remind you again: the topic is "Prove that atheism exists".
I have proven that God exists if atheism exists, and that there is no proof that atheism exists.
You, on the other hand, never added anything relevant to the topic.
So please add something relevant to the topic.
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@oromagi
Chat GTP =/= truth
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@FLRW
No. It doesnt.
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@FLRW
cut defense spending
Yeah, cut expenses, increase taxes. Simple, really.
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"The growing chaos in Belgorod region, where local authorities announced a “counterterrorist regime” on Monday evening, was a rare case where Russian villages have come face-to-face with a conflict that the country’s army has unleashed across Ukraine. Both Russia and Ukrainian officials have confirmed fighting at the border.
Any capture of territory has not been independently confirmed by journalists on the ground. The Freedom of Russia Legion is not known to have participated in any major battles during the war.
“We are the same Russians as you,” said a statement put out by the Freedom of Russia Legion on social media. “We are distinguished only by the fact that we no longer wanted to justify the actions of criminals in power and took up arms to defend our and your freedom. But today it’s time for everyone to take responsibility for their future. It’s time to put an end to the Kremlin’s dictatorship.”"
Any capture of territory has not been independently confirmed by journalists on the ground. The Freedom of Russia Legion is not known to have participated in any major battles during the war.
“We are the same Russians as you,” said a statement put out by the Freedom of Russia Legion on social media. “We are distinguished only by the fact that we no longer wanted to justify the actions of criminals in power and took up arms to defend our and your freedom. But today it’s time for everyone to take responsibility for their future. It’s time to put an end to the Kremlin’s dictatorship.”"
I wonder what will the consequences of this be?
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@oromagi
CHAT GPT advises
Yeah, stopped reading right there.
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@Stephen
Thank you for unblocking me.
Now, I told you to read what Bible says about love.
You went on to read what Bible says about hate.
So you think hate = love.
That is most awkward opinion.
Now, go and read what Bible says about love.
Define "Angel"
Irrelevant to topic. Plus, angels are defined in the Bible.
"Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew."
"And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness, but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings. Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf's foot. And they sparkled like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. And the four had their faces and their wings thus: their wings touched one another."
"Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire."
Hope that helps.
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The Old Testament and its god mentions the word "love" only one single time
I am guessing you forgot that New Testament exists? Dont worry, it happens to everyone.
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@Math_Enthusiast
Yes. Same applies to anything, including your existence and mine.
So either God exists either nothing does.
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@Sir.Lancelot
On balance, atheism is more reasonable than theism/christianity.
I feel like this one would be most fun. But please instead of "theism/christianity" just say "Christianity". I dont want to defend all religions in the world.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Well, you sure like to focus on the violence in the Bible. World is full of violence. Therefore, Bible is not any worse than your atheism.
Now try reading what Bible says about love.
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@Math_Enthusiast
What restriction could be in place? Wouldnt such restriction be just as good as any other restriction? Example, me saying that only Bible is true.
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@Math_Enthusiast
However, if we accept any of these as basis for our logic, we end up proving the existence of Bob the spherical camel
If you reject all of those as basis for your logic, you cannot prove that anything exists. So either God exists either nothing does.
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@SkepticalOne
Sorry, that is still not an argument.
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@Savant
Thats funny. You defend your country on your territory, and they call you aggressor.
You invade 30 other countries, and they call you a liberator.
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@SkepticalOne
Sorry, only arguments count. Try again.
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@Math_Enthusiast
If this isn't meant to be a prerequisite for a proof of God, where are you going with this?
The proof for God is in the other thread. This one is specifically here to try and prove that atheism exists.
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Korea, commanded by General Kim il Sung,
was leading a resistance movement against Japan and was helping allies in WW2.
Kim il Sung was helping the US fight against Japan.
Syngman Rhee at that time was not even in Korea. He didnt even fight in WW2.
During WW2, USA invaded Korea and established its own government on the south of Korea which it invaded and called it South Korea.
Syngman Rhee was made president of South Korea.
After coming to power, Syngman Rhee committed mass murders of his own people, killing thousands of people in South Korea for opposing to him. The US military helped him do that. They killed men, women and children in South Korea.
General Kim il Sung was deeply upset by this and by the idea that Syngman Rhee, who didnt even fight in WW2, became president of a south occupied by USA.
Therefore, when Kim il Sung decided to attack South Korea, he was merely liberating Korean territory which was occupied by the criminal USA.
Syngman Rhee was equal to Hitler by his crimes in Korea before the Korean war.
Syngman Rhee was a mass murderer, a criminal set up in power by USA.
North Korea never invaded anyone. It merely defended itself and tried to liberate its territory from the US.
There are plenty of people in the USA in 2003 who said that USA should invade North Korea (again) to "liberate it from dictatorship".
Then North Korea built nukes to protect itself.
Then those same people said: "North Korea should give up its nukes".
USA committed even more crimes during Korean war, including mass bombings of civilians which is an equivalent of terrorism.
USA never apologized for its crimes. However, it still kept its own citizens brainwashed against North Korea.
USA should agree to return the south of Korea to Korea governed by Kim Jong Un. It is the only right thing to do.
After killing millions of Koreans, USA has put itself in the place of being the eternal enemy of North Korea.
As North Korea grows stronger in its nuclear weapons, North Korea is saving millions of lives by working to prevent another war with USA.
If North Korea did not built nukes, US would invade North Korea. That would result in a loss of millions of lives.
North Korean "self-defense ideology" says that no country should invade another.
And really, North Korea in its 78 years of existence never invaded anyone.
USA invaded more than 30 countries and committed plenty of crimes, including being the only nation to use nuclear weapons on civilians. USA's strategy of bombing civilians during wars has gone mostly unnoticed by its own citizens, who still think that their country is actually not a world wide criminal.
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If you attempt to defect from South Korea to North Korea, South Korean soldiers will shoot at you.
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South Korea has very expensive house prices, about 1 million per house.
As a result, most people pay rent instead of owning a house. Some are homeless.
Other problems, such as high amount abuse, murder and suicide rates. Even children are often abused at care centers.
South Korea has many places where it says: "No children allowed", forcing parents to leave their children at home or in day care to be able to go in a restaurant.
Some people dont want to have children, because they cant afford it or because they dont want their children to live in hell that is South Korea.
South Korea has the lowest birth rates in the world. It also has highest female suicide in the world, possibly due to wide spread abuse of women.
Here is a video of a North Korean defector saying that South Koreans are not well in the head.
This defector went to church in South Korea. They asked him in church "Who do you think is the greatest?".
He answered without a doubt: "General Kim Il Sung".
They reported him and he went to prison.
Apparently, having an opinion is illegal in South Korea.
He also said: "Everything that North Korean government told me about South Korea was true. Everything that South Koreans believe about North Korea is a lie".
He also added that some defectors are paid to lie about North Korea.
Recently, there were protests in South Korea where people asked South Korean president to step down due to bringing South Korea closer to war with the North Korea and with China.
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@Vegasgiants
If energy bills exist, then God exists.
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Are you trying to prove that we need Christianity to prevent people from having this idiotic belief?
Another win for Christianity, I guess. 😁
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@zedvictor4
Because this means that I can assume that I don't need to pay my energy bills
First you need to prove that those energy bills exist. We cant just assume that something exists for no reason.
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@zedvictor4
Logic is a term applied to system processing
I dont think we can prove that such processing actually exists.
As most things are arguable
This is an assumption. We didnt even prove yet that most things exist.
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I haven't blocked you.
Okay, you are trying to be funny.
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@Vegasgiants
Thats nice.
But yes, unicorns have equal amount of proof for their existence as atheism does for its.
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Steven, you blocked me but that didnt prevent you from trying to change the topic.
Yes, God has promised me to make me an angel. So the future is bright for me.
The topic is not about that. The topic is about proving that atheism exists. I dont have much hope that we will ever prove that atheism exists, but we should still try.
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If anyone wishes to disprove the given topic by presenting proof that logic exists, please do so. Dont be shy.
Try not to commit circular reasoning, infinite reasoning or fallacy of unquestionable values.
From what we have seen so far, the proof for the existence of logic is same as proof for the existence of God, which is kinda awkward.
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@Vegasgiants
Are my feelings real if my feelings say God exists?
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@Vegasgiants
If we start from the premise that Bible is true, then God exists because it says so in the Bible.
If we start by accepting that feelings are true, then God exists because I see Him. He talks to me at night.
Plenty of people feel that God exists. I really cant help you if you are not one of them. From what I feel, some people are born incapable of seeing, incapable of hearing, incapable of feeling.
Of course, if we say that feelings arent real, then we cannot prove anything. Thats why we are here trying to prove that atheism exists. It seems that you cannot prove that atheism exists without proving that God exists, which is kinda awkward for atheists if they even exist at all.
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@Vegasgiants
Its just how logic works. Nothing to do with me.
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@TWS1405_2
Atheism isn’t a “thing,”
This doesnt answer the question "does it exist".
like a table that can be seen, touched and utilized.
So it cannot be seen or touched.
It’s merely the opposite of theism.
Now you are back at defining atheism, which still doesnt prove it exists.
It’s a thought counter to another thought. Thoughts exist in that they are conceived in one’s mind
I dont see any proof that such thought exists. Can you show us the proof of that thought existing? Can you tell us the reason you believe that the thought of atheism exists? If not, then I am afraid you still didnt prove the existence of atheism.
and communicates to another’s mind. That’s it.
So you claim that there is some communication to another's mind. I assume you cannot prove that such communication actually happens, or that it is accurate representation of thoughts. Please tell us why do you believe that such communication exists. Tell us why do you believe that it is true that such communication proves the existence of thought of atheism. If you cannot do that, then I am afraid we are not 1 inch closer to proving atheism.
Happy now, troll.
Well, I will be happy if you prove that atheism exists. Hopefully, you can do it in your next comment.
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@FLRW
I can't wait until AI replaces Humans
Why do you hate humans? They are cute 🥺
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Sure. I do like to hear women pee.
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If you guys cant prove that your atheism exists, then I am afraid that I still have no reason to believe that atheism exists.
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Logic depends on unquestionable values.
You accept that what you see is what exists. You accept it as unquestionable.
I accept that God exists to be unquestionable. Therefore, God exists.
If accepting something as unquestionable makes it true, then "God exists" is true.
If accepting something as unquestionable does not make it true, then logic can never be true since it being true depends on accepting unquestionable values.
You think that what you see exists. I think that God exists.
There is no reason to think that what you see exists.
If what you see exists because you think it does, then God exists because I think that God exists.
If you need a reason to believe in something, then you cannot believe in logic since logic demands of you to accept things as true for no reason.
So a belief in God is as justified as the logic itself.
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Ever since I lost my Christian faith at a young age
Oh no
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As explained, logic itself is contradictive with itself.
For example, people who accept God being true reach opposite logical conclusions from those people who accept that God isnt true.
So both of their logic is logical, yet contradictive.
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@zedvictor4
Man made up GOD, and then wrote a book that cannot prove GOD.......Simple.
Actually, either we can prove that God exists either we cant prove anything.
The proof of God is the same as proof for anything else.
How do you prove that Earth exists? You see it? Well, I have seen God. Therefore, God exists. Plenty of people have seen God and felt his presence.
How do you prove that logic exists? You accept it without question? Then I can accept God without question. So there is an equal amount of proof for the existence of God and for the existence of logic.
If you can accept anything unquestionably, I can accept God unquestionably. Therefore, God exists.
How do you prove that you exist? You accept it unquestionably? Does "accepting something unquestionably" counts as proof for that something's existence? If yes, then me accepting God'existence unquestionably counts as proof for God's existence.
Therefore, no matter what logic we use, we end up proving God.
Logic itself is based on a fallacy of accepting things unquestionably. Therefore, there is as much proof for God as there is for logic.
So does logic exist?
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@zedvictor4
I think therefore I am
You cant prove that you think. You dont know if your thoughts exist. You cant prove that you exist.
If you say that "existence of thoughts" is unquestionable, then I can say that "Bible being true" is unquestionable, therefore proving God's existence.
Therefore, logic needed to prove thoughts is the same as logic needed to prove God.
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@Intelligence_06
using fallible logic
All logic is fallible. This was already explained to you multiple times.
either atheism exists, or nothing exists.
Accepting logic which proves that atheism exists would mean accepting logic which proves that God exists.
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