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There should be 2 laws:
1) Everyone must work
2) Every person must "help people if they need his help to live". "If they demand his help or if he is aware of their need for his help" which they need in order to live, he must help them.
Every person violating one or both of these laws should be reported to the government by others and the government will decide if the individual needs to be sent to re-educational treatment where his mistakes will be explained to him and he will be corrected.
If we implement these laws, then people of Iraq, Ukraine, Korea, Afghanistan, Syria, Europe and North America will finally get Communism they deserve.
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-"Mommy I wanna get castrated"
-"No, thats horrible"
-"Mommy I am a girl"
-"okay, you can get castrated now".
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@Intelligence_06
Yeah, lets pretend that we are good now.
Less bad = good
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How dare you oppose to castration of children?
Children cant consent to sex, but that doesnt mean they cant consent to castration.
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It is theft. Penis gets damaged sometimes. Damaging other people's property when they didnt ask you to is very bad behavior.
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@hey-yo
Why are we assuming they are the same thing?
I didnt say that circumcision is same as murder, theft and rape.
I said that circumcision is murder, theft and rape.
It is murder. Deaths are caused intentionally by those who perform circumcision, since they know circumcision can result in death.
It is rape. Rape is penetration of sexual organs with no consent.
It is theft. The foreskin is baby's property.
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Yes, circumcision is theft, murder and rape all in one.
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@hey-yo
What is wrong about it?
There is nothing wrong about it if we assume that theft, murder and rape arent wrong.
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@Kaitlyn
I assume you have no response.
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Most of the crimes were committed by some white people.
Hitler, Stalin, Two world wars, colonizations, holocaust, extermination of native americans...
Hundreds of millions killed.
It seems that some white people, despite being a minority in the world, have committed the greatest amount of crimes. Only some asians could somewhat come close to all the horrible things some white people have done.
What must be noted is that when some white person commits the crime, it is not registered as a crime. For example, most of the rapists are white, but most rapists never get caught.
Black people were oppressed even after slavery ended. We all know how they were forced into poverty and how they had less rights than others. They were treated badly for so long.
I would like to see all white people accepting black people as friends, but some white people still want oppression, as demonstrated by certain woman here, who thinks that black people should be forcefully relocated. Just a reminder, forceful relocation was part of Hitler's plan too. Therefore, we see that Hitler's ideas are still present among some white people, which implies that oppression of black people still exists.
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@Kaitlyn
Mind your own business
Says a racist woman lol
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@Kaitlyn
I could expand upon this and make it 5000 words, justifying every premise in detail, too.
Please dont. You already ranted enough against black people. Move to asians now. Asians and Indians and muslims will replace you, you know.
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@Kaitlyn
You repeated the words I said to you in your Benatar thread
How horrible!
Now we know why woman should never be president of USA. They simply cant separate logic from their emotions.
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@Kaitlyn
Well, you sure seem angry at me for some reason.
Also emotions =/= logic.
Women often mistake those two.
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@Kaitlyn
This is why I say women should not be allowed to have an opinion.
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@Kaitlyn
Thats what you got to help black people?
I thought you were gonna say something like reparations, so that you pay them compensation for the crimes your ancestors committed against them.
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@Kaitlyn
CRISPR
I will take that as a concession.
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@Kaitlyn
If helping blacks is relevant to you, then tell us how to help black people or how did you help black people in your life.
We are waiting.
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@Kaitlyn
As expected, you fail to understand that
life>decreasing pain.
life>decreasing pain.
Go ahead, tell us how life is horrible. Nobody cares about your pain to let you destroy life.
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@Kaitlyn
Yeah, helping black people is "irrelevant" to you.
You are so cool with your relevant crime statistics.
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@Kaitlyn
No, you do not get to kill your children by not giving birth to them.
Pain doesnt matter. You have to live and your children have to live too.
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@Kaitlyn
I don't think that either, lol
Okay then, think of ways to help black people or stay silent.
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Are you trying to make us hate black people? Well, that wont work.
I dont think that
"More crime = all people bad".
Black people are our friends and best we can do is to help them. Society oppressed them for a long time. Further oppression would be most horrible.
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People use fake logic all the time. We could say that ability to use fake logic can even be more useful than the ability to use actual logic, especially when most people dont even have the brain power to use actual logic.
Plus, people have a motivation to use fake logic. It makes them feel like they are right, and doesnt require much effort.
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@IlDiavolo
Are you a girl or a boy?
I am male. It says so on my profile.
For women it's ok, but for men it's kind of creepy.
Creepy, sure. I thought some people liked creepy? Thats why horror movies exist. Plus, some trannies arent that creepy. Some actually look like the gender they are pretending to be.
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@IlDiavolo
Dismiss trannies as social peers must be hard for them.
There is nothing wrong about having tranny as a friend.
In fact, in many ways it would be beneficial.
Talking to different types of people is better than talking with just those who are same as you.
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We are more tolerant than before
Which still doesnt mean we are tolerant enough????
We will never be tolerant enough!!!
Because then trans wouldnt be able to explain suicide rates without admitting that trans people are mentally ill.
So in a way, intolerance benefits trans as it gives them cover story for suicide rates.
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@oromagi
Most drag queens are not family men.
Drag queens dont have a family? How sad 🥺
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Cant stop the Trump
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@Critical-Tim
I think you misunderstand
What do I misunderstand?
conscienceness is not what makes human valued
Now you are just repeating what I said.
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@Critical-Tim
This is because consciousness depends is not determined by a threshold, but on how many aspects one is aware of and the extent of that awareness.
If this is AI's attempt to make itself appear conscious to gain rights, then better forget it. We humans value ourselves the most, and there is no "i am conscious = i have rights".
At best, AI will be a slave. No, AI will not get to control nukes. We all watched the terminator movies so we know where that would lead.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Morals don't exist full stop
Morals are someone'opinion about what is right and what is wrong. So yes, they exist.
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@Kaitlyn
It was half minimum wage and a fraction of yearly income according to two of the studies. I think half of minimum wage is pretty damn low already.
I guess if everyone in USA received 50$ per month as basic income, that would be much lower than half of minimum wage.
It really depends on what we set as standard.
Is it 50$ or 100$ or 500$ or 1000$ or 3000$.
Because 50$ would just slightly reduce poverty, but I doubt it would have much effect on employment.
The main problem with UBI is in finding this balance.
The goal is to have people work. UBI shouldnt make people refuse to work. If it does, then it sucks.
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@iwantroosevelt
The victim can identify their attacker.
Thats not proof.
Saying "I was raped" is a claim. Its not proof of anything. Its not even a proof that rape happened.
In order to prove that she was raped, there need to be:
1) Witnesses who saw rape
Or
2) Traces of rape, such as injury or signs of struggle.
If these 2 lack, then you have no case.
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@iwantroosevelt
Question 1:
Why do you support Biden for president?
Question 2:
Do you think that "smelling women and young girls" is a strange behavior?
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So your case is:
1) No witnesses
2) No trace of sexual assault
So no proof.
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Let me help you a bit here.
Proof =/= Trump’s own words
Proof =/= some Trump's lies
Proof =/= Trump not a credible witness
Proof =/= to testify under oath.
Proof =/= credible victim
Proof =/= composure of the witnesses
Proof =/= body language
Proof =/= very consistent, very detailed, very composed
What proof is, is very simple. There is either a visible trace of assault, a video of assault, a picture of assault or witnesses who saw the assault and have a consistent story.
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Trump claimed he wouldn’t be interested in the victim because “she wasn’t my type”.Then Trump confused a picture of the victim with his ex-wife.This discredited his claim that the victim wasn’t his type to the jury.
So you have proven that she was his type, which is irrelevant to proof of sexual assault. Now you need to prove that he sexually assaulted her.
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The proof was presented at trial and accepted by the jury.
Could you present that proof to us?
Trump’s own words were part of the proof. His lies. He was not a credible witness
Great proof you have there.
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I’ve noticed conservatives claim to be tough on crime until it’s a Republican who has been indicted
Before one can be tough on crime, crime needs to actually happen.
What is the proof of Trump committing sexual assault?
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And they elect morons.
Are you saying that democrats did better when they elected Biden and almost elected Hillary?
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That’s why we have trials and juries.
You forgot that jury can be corrupt and trials can be corrupted.
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@Iwantroosevelt
You forgot to mention that women can lie.
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@Tradesecret
If you get paid for your work, then you are using a form of money.
Money that buys anything =/= money that can buy just food.
The meaning of money today is that money buys plenty of stuff.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This is a very old forum topic. I actually explored how would a completely controlled economy work and concluded that:
1) If people are made to work hard, we will have more stuff.
2) If people are equally limited in how much they take, products will be more equally distributed.
For example, one person cannot take more than 1 bread per day. One person cannot own more than 1 house. One person cannot own more than 10 acres of land.
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@Greyparrot
"in a head-to-head match-up. If Biden and Trump were the candidates, 38 percent said they would definitely or probably vote for the president, compared to 44 percent who would definitely or probably back Trump."
However, I dont trust polls that much. Masses change their opinion all the time. (The approval ratings change a lot over time). Plus, polls are random and might not represent total opinion.
In 2016, many polls were in favor of Hillary, yet Trump won. Now the polls are in favor of Trump.
There is still long way to elections. However, Biden caused plenty of US allies to break ties with US.
There were even mass protests in South Korea that demanded for South Korean president to step down for being US puppet and risking war with North Korea and China.
So when South Koreans(who depend on US) want to distance themselves from the US, that tells us how US is losing allies everywhere.
BRICS nations are growing fast and they will become new economic superpower.
So my bet is that Biden will probably lose the elections due to so many mistakes he made, plus due to being too old to actually be trusted to be in charge of anything.
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@Greyparrot
40 percent of Democrats don't want Biden to run again.
Yeah, apparently they realize he is not their best choice.
When asked "Why vote for Biden?", some democrats answered "Because he is not Trump".
Plenty of people arent Trump. I dont see why they would choose Biden specifically.
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Still better than Iran where advanced cameras are used to detect women who dont wear face cover.
When theft is on the huge rise, you can either close your store either increase security.
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So I guess the idea was:
"The store is racist. Plus, why pay for stuff? Lets all just walk into the store and take what we need without paying for it! Who will stop us all?"
Then the store closes because store cant make money if everyone is robbing it every day.
While the store is just there to store and distribute goods, remember that competition between sellers is what keeps prices lower than they would be without such competition.
Inflation is already high enough. Why make it even higher by doing this?
You might already be at the point of no return where parents in USA will never again be able to afford to have 2 or more children on average.
Population decline is a slippery slope, since workforce gets smaller and smaller and it becomes worse and worse for buisnesses. The supply of both products and labor continiously decreases.
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1) Consequentialism
As the name itself suggests, consequentialism is about consequences. This means action is good or bad depending on its consequences. Action is good if it results in good things. Action is bad if it results in bad things.
2) Utilitarianism
Utilitarianism is a popular type of consequentialism. It was originally based on pleasure.
Utilitarianism is based on increasing happiness and reducing suffering.
This means that action is good if it results in an increase of happiness. The best action is the one that produces greatest happiness for greatest number of people.
3) Greatest increase of human life
This position is also known as pro-natalism. The actions that are good are those that result in an increase in the amount of human life. The actions that are bad are those that result in a decrease in the amount of human life.
4) Reducing suffering
The actions that are good are those that result in the decrease of suffering. The best action is the one that decreases suffering the most.
Popular in anti-natalism, which argues that reducing human life by not having children would reduce suffering.
5) Increasing knowledge
Says that action is good if it results in an increase of total human knowledge, even at the cost of some human lives.
6) Increasing acceptance and tolerance
Says that action is good and desirable if it results in an increase of acceptance of different people and different ideas.
7) Increasing belief in God and increasing prayers
Popular in religious groups. It says that action is good if it, for example, causes more people to believe in God and to pray more.
8) Increasing Self-Defense
Says that every individual has a right to do anything to protect his own life, and that we should respect such right.
9) Increasing self-ownership
Says that individual's body and property belong to him. Individual can do anything he wants with that which he owns. Actions are bad if they harm self-ownership of others. Actions are good if they increase self-ownership.
10) Rawls's theory of justice
Says that our greatest priority is to ensure greatest equal liberty for all.
The second greatest priority is to ensure equal opportunity and same starting point for all.
The third greatest priority is to ensure that even those who benefit the least are still benefiting.
11) Egoism
Says that we should base society on self-interest of individuals. Our actions should be such that we follow our interests and consider interests of others. Every action that affects a group of people should be in line with their interests.
12) Rule consequentialism
Says that there are rules which are known to produce good outcomes, therefore those rules should be followed. If we know that being kind almost always makes the world a better place, then we should be kind.
13) Deontology
Deontology is different from consequentialism in a sense that it considers some action always wrong even if it sometimes has good outcomes.
For example, if we say it is wrong to lie, then it is always wrong to lie. Even in situation where lying can save your life, you still should not lie.
14) Kant's Categorical Imperative
Says that we should have universal rules. Rule for one is a rule for all. Act in a way you would want everyone else to act. For example, lying is bad because if everyone lied all the time, our society wouldnt function anymore. But if everyone told the truth all the time, then our society would function. Therefore, everyone should be telling the truth always. The simplest way to explain Categorical Imperative is: If you are wondering if what you are doing is really good, then just imagine if everyone else did the same as you.
15) Human Rights
Human rights say that every person has rights which should never be violated, such as right to life, right to property, right to education...ect.
16) Divine Command Theory
Divine Command Theory says that God knows more about morality than humans. Therefore, humans should listen to God. The most famous example of this is 10 Commandments.
17) Liberalism
Says that the only time you are allowed to use force on individual is only for the purpose of preventing harm to others. Individual can do anything he wants, including to harm himself, as long as he doesnt harm others.
18) The greater good
Says that there are certain priorities which come above all else. For example, being forced to defend your country in war is good even if it violates your individual freedom.
19) Increase fairness
Says that there should be universal standard that is same for all people.
20) Virtue or role-model
Very common framework. It deals with "what would a virtuous person do if he was in this situation?".
For example, "What should I do?" is answered by "That what Jesus would do if he was in your place.".
21) Increasing care - Feminist approach
Says that we should all try to be more caring about everyone and feel compassion for each person that suffers. That will help us become better.
22) Single-minded unity
Says that society works best when everyone agrees and has same opinion on plenty of things. So we should seek to create such society.
23) Moral relativism
Says that there is no absolute rule, since every situation is different.
24) Moral absolutism
Says that there are absolute rules that are true in every situation.
25) Power-based ethics
Says that those with power have a right to dictate what is right and what is wrong, and that when making decisions, we should be seeking to be in line with those in power.
26) Mutual benefit also known as common good
Says that our actions, if they affect other people, should be beneficial for everyone affected. We should only make agreements that have mutual benefit. Society should have laws that are beneficial for everyone in society.
Conclusion
There are many more frameworks, and many frameworks can be made by combining these frameworks that were mentioned. For example, "increase life+decrease pain".
Each ethical framework contains 3 categories:
1) Obligatory - that which you have to do
2) Impermissible - that which you are not allowed to do
3) Permissible - If you want to do it, you are allowed to do it. If you dont want to do it, you are allowed not to do it. There is no punishment for doing or not doing the permissible. Althought there can be reward.
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