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@Elliott
many European countries are secular and without a majority belief in God.
Wrong. They were built by Christianity. Their leaders were Christians and up until last 10 years their population was Christian by great majority in every case. Therefore, Christianity is what made those countries.
Here in the UK only 37% believe there is a God.
Yes. Atheism didnt build the UK. In 2010, 70% of UK population was Christian. The UK was built by Christians. Its laws were made by Christians. Its children were raised by Christians. For thousands of years, the territory was Christian. Atheism only became popular in last 5-10 years. Therefore, atheism doesnt get the credit for what Christians built. Christianity gets credit for UK.
In France it is 27%
No, its 51% Christians.
in the Netherlands it is 28%
No, its 34%. In 2015, it was 44%. In 2000, it was 68% Christian. The Prime Minister of Netherlands is Mark Rutte. He is a Christian. Christianity created Netherlands.
in Belgium 37%
No, its 60%.
in Finland 33%
No, its 70%.
in Denmark 28%
No, its 75%.
and in Sweden 18%
No, it is 61%.
In the US it is 81%
No, it is 65%. The US was built by Christians.
The numbers I gave are after the recent rise in atheism. Before the rise in atheism, these countries were Christian by great majority (80% of their population). Today, the Christians are in most cases majority of 60% in countries that are considered best in the world. It was Christians that did the work to build these countries into prosperity.
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@zedvictor4
What is a Christian Country?
Country with Christian majority.
Can you name one?
Sweden.
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I cant seem to find a clear answer. I know that blessing food is desireable.
Is it okay for me to say a prayer above a glass of water before drinking it? To me, it seems like a positive activity which makes me think of God more often.
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@ebuc
where it attaches to womb wall for 9 months and nourished by pregnant woman until born
Yes. The duty of a woman is to nourish her child in order to increase life. Saying "Woman has no duty to nourish her child" is equal to saying that life has no value. If life has no value, then the woman's life has no value.
So, do you believe that life has value?
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@Bella3sp
You're talking about a life that has only begun. This "entire" life has barely started.
Irrelevant. If not killed, life would grow into complete life. Therefore, abortion is the killing of a complete and entire life.
Is abortion supposed to save lives?
In order for the action to be good, it needs to save lives. In order for the action to be neutral, it needs to not destroy and not save lives. Abortion is not neutral. It is not good. It destroys lives.
Because it is arguable that these women's lives are saved.
No. Number of lives destroyed by abortion is higher than number of lives saved by abortion. Therefore, abortion destroys life.
Forcing to have someone they don't want and contribute long years of their life to that child is wrong.
It is more wrong to kill your child.
And look at where we are now, 8 billion.
Irrelevant. We would be at 10 billion if abortionists didnt kill 1 billion children.
I argue that it is alright to get rid of the fetus if the woman so chooses.
By same logic, it is alright to get rid of a woman who kills her child.
Not sure why you would mention something like this if you're so concerned about the population
Killing a killer doesnt reduce life, but increases it.
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@Bella3sp
Not just her body, but her entire life that she has worked on that is going to be affected.
No. The entire life of an unborn child is destroyed by abortion.
Abortion destroys more human life than it saves.
Therefore, it is wrong.
Abortionists have already killed over 1 billion children.
Do you argue that it is okay to destroy a human life, therefore we are justified in executing women who have abortions?
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@SkepticalOne
You've neglected to address my refutation and argumentation.
No. Your arguments were refuted. Feel free to go back to your world of abortions. I have no intention to educate you, when you reject the truth. I can only pray that God shows you the path.
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@SkepticalOne
I don't think the standard you prefer does that.
Already refuted. Best countries in the world are Christian countries.
The Bible contains plenty of god-condoned murder, rape, and even abortion.
And yet the safest and best countries in the world are Christian countries.
I really enjoy watching atheism refute itself. Another victory for the Bible.
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@SkepticalOne
why should we use that particular standard
Its the best standard that increases life, ensures survival and makes best societies in the world.
Unless of course you prefer murders, rape, depression, suicides and abortions. Do you prefer murders, rape, depression, suicides and abortions?
These things are objectively wrong, but you have a right to disagree and live in denial running around screaming "There is no God" and then after you die you go to hell where you can live in denial forever. However, that wont harm God at all. It also wont harm me. 😊
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Abortion = sacrificing children so that women could have sexual pleasure.
It is the modern satanic worship. It is presented as something saint to those who are guided by empty words and horrible morality.
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God = good people get rewards after they die, evil people are punished after they die.
No God = good and evil people both die and perish. Good people dont get any rewards, evil people dont get punished at all. Good and evil becomes the same.
Also, the atheists have terrible morality. Its not enough that atheist Stalin, atheist Mao and atheist Hitler have killed hundreds millions of people. It goes further, as atheists perform rituals of child sacrifice called abortion. They sacrifice children for sexual pleasure. They already killed over 1 billion children.
Bible has the morality of life - objectively the best morality. Atheists dont have morality, since they reject God and with that they reject the morality of life.
The only way to have best morality is to teach the best morality. Atheists dont teach the best morality. Thats why they dont have best morality. Christians have the best morality and they teach it to others, and they remind themselves too.
Christianity is the belief in best morality. Atheism is the lack of such belief. Therefore, its obvious that Christianity is much better than atheism.
It is of no surprise then that best countries in the world are Christian countries. If you want atheism, go to USSR or Mao's China.
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I am begining to think that transexuals have infiltrated into the Christian ranks.
There is no way you can believe in Bible and then make those claims.
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@Steven
Nope. I am not celibate. Read your bible.Corrected you again, but still no reward for me.
Thats because you are an atheist, Steven. Atheists get no rewards. Atheists perish if they are right, and burn if they are wrong. Also, they suffer in this world too, since atheism has no morality, hope or prayer and is a disadvantage in life.
Become a Christian now!
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Well, cant disagree with that.
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@Amoranemix
Since you are unable to respond to the arguments I made, I will consider this my win until you actually make an argument.
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@ Steven
Thank you for correcting me.
If you become a Christian, surely you will have a reward for this in heaven.
Remember, there is no good without God.
Bless you.
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God doesnt enable evil. He punishes evil and rewards the good.
"Good people suffering" seems horrible, but the reward for suffering is great: Eternal joy.
While evil seems strong, the punishment for evil is great: hell.
If you are a good person, then suffering for 100 years will be rewarded with infinite joy and eternal life. A good trade indeed.
Also, God is the creator of good. There is no good without God.
Without God, both evil and good people perish equally.
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@Greyparrot
Corporations running a government is a path to endless wars and endless trade wars.
Bothered by competition from China? Support the candidate who promises to tax them the most!
Need to sell more weapons? Support a candidate who promises to buy your weapons and send them to Ukraine, preferably while increasing other military spendings too.
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18 is not a magical number for anything. It is a made up number.
Just continue with regular prayers during the night and morning. Ask God for guidance.
Here are some sins to avoid:
1) Sex without marriage
2) Porn
3) Masturbation
4) Drugs
5) Alcohol
6) Bad friends (those who tempt you to do bad)
7) Accumulation of wealth and greed
8) Trading heaven for Earthly goods
9) Ignoring God's commands
Life in today's time is simple:
1) In order to get money, you need a job.
2) In order to get a girlfriend, you need friends and your own place to live.
4) In order to get friends, you need to be willing to help those in need. (If someone asks you to lend him money, do so assuming its a reasonable amount). Dont help too much, but also dont reject when someone asks for help.
Good attracts good. Act good and you will attract good people. Simple, really.
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"We dont have an ideology"
Except when you go around telling people that LGBT is not wrong.
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@Tradesecret
I think baptism is good for infants. But in my view, its even better if a person remembers his own baptism. The latter has all the benefits of the former, and more.
Its not like you lose anything by waiting until child is 7, and then when the child has the understanding about God, child will remember the baptism as something special.
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@Steven
As I said. Child abuse.
Do you even know what is baptism?
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@Tradesecret
Why is it important you remember your own specific baptism, as opposed to the promises of God?Surely God's work in your life is the important thing, not your own moment of fame?
One does not exclude the other. Remembering your baptism creates more joy towards God, as it makes individuals think about God more. You cannot think of baptism without remembering God.
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I assume the optimal age for baptism is age 7 or 8.
I think its important that a person remembers his baptism.
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Imagine thinking that this is justice, and not an obvious political set up.
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@oromagi
Based on that response, I will presume you are not a high school graduate
No. I will assume you didnt understand the response.
FIrst Temple Jersualem was a "bad society?'
Every society that accepts homosexuality is bad.
The DOW doubled in value?
No. It seems that your brain fails to learn. What increased are depression, suicides, rape, murder and other violence. What decreased is birth rates. Thats what happened after accepting homosexuality.
the Bible I studied told me that suffering happens because Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Wisdom.
Based on that, I doubt that you even read the Bible past Genesis. Bible clearly says that suffering happens as a result of disobedience. God shows mercy to those who follow his commands.
God explicitly tells Adam and Eve that he punished humanity with suffering for disobeying God's ban on seeking knowledge.
God explicitly told the entire humanity he punishes disobedience (not following commands in the Bible). Try reading the entire Bible.
Healing the sick or comforting the dying are objectively good acts but they do not punish evil so you fail to recognize that good
No. Failed reasoning. "Good = punishing evil" does not mean that good doesnt include healing the sick.
Jesus frequently refuses to punish evil and admonishes people to only forgive evil and leave the punishment to God
No. Jesus tries to correct people. To the woman who sinned, he told: "Dont sin any more".
The lesson that you are supposed to learn from that is to try to correct people before punishing them. This does not mean we should be forgiving everyone everything always and let murderers and homosexuals run around freely. Jesus simply teaches us that punishment is not always the best option.
Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.
This means that the person with least sins takes priority in deciding the punishment.
all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
This means that the sword consumes us. Sword is necessary to maintain proper society, but it is not always the best option in every situation. Jesus teaches us about options that we have, and that those who use sword without considering alternatives will perish.
The alternative to treating homosexuals with sword is to force them to pray and try to correct them. If that doesnt work, then sword.
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@Amoranemix
Atheists can also read books. Good books even.
No. The only good book is the Bible. It is the only one that offers perfect guide. Atheists are deluded and cannot learn from the Bible. Atheists as a result of that cannot have morality. Christians have the perfect morality: "Thou shall not kill" and "multiply and fill the Earth". This is the best morality of life. It is the best morality and atheists can never outmatch it. Increasing life is an idea given by God. It is the best thing to do, as life is the best thing. Atheist, by rejecting God, rejects this idea. He ends up failing in life, and teaches others to fail too. It is of no surprise that atheists are famous for homosexuality, depression and violence. It is foolish to think you can reject the creator of morality of life, and not get lack of morality as a reward. Atheist follows pleasure of the flesh. He cannot have correct morality when his wealth is in pleasure. Atheist denies the truth to make himself feel good. Atheists make morality serve them. Christians serve the morality of life. Christians benefit in this world and the next. Best countries in the world are the ones with Christian majority, such as Sweden, USA, Switzerland, Germany.
Atheism cannot even create a working society. Thats why no society is atheist.
You cannot have atheism and morality of life. Choosing atheism always means rejecting the morality of life.
It also encourages to do evil and discourages to do good.
No. Atheists discourage to do good when they reject God. Thats why when atheism increases, so do violence, suicides, abominations, mental illness and sexual crimes. The best countries in the world are countries with Christian majority. Christianity results in best societies. God makes atheists mentally retarded.
If not, then it wouldn't be beneficial to the followers, but to others.
No. Anyone who rejects God rejects the good. You cannot have good without God. Rejecting God results in rejection of morality. That results in violence.
Atheism does not exclude morality.
No. The entire history of atheism is that of sinning and abominations.
It makes them feel guilty all the time and scares them with Hell.
Yes. It keeps people in order. "Guilt and fear" are not disadvantages. Feeling no guilt or fear for doing bad things is a disadvantage. It is deluded to think that you cannot feel comfort while being afraid. With prayer, fear goes away. Guilt is replaced by repenting, and then comfort comes. Atheists are blind to the truth.
Atheism leaves more options.
Yes. It leaves options to do bad things.
Can you provide evidence for that claim?
No. Use google. A quick google search will give you the answer you need.
Most atheists have a moral standard.
No. Atheism has killed over a billion people and caused diseases in our society.
Please demonstrate that fact.
Atheism = abortions, homosexuality, violence, depression, diseases, trans...
Atheists = Stalin, Mao, Hitler.
Google is your friend.
Education and life experience can do the same.
No. People get most comfort from God. There is no education or experience that can match God's word. This is historically proven. The more you reject God, the more depression you have and the less morality you have.
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They should stay inside the house forever.
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@TWS1405_2
I really despise this retort so often used. Other species are irrelevant.
I like when gays try to justify themselves by comparing themselves to dogs.
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America is a country that can be defined in a single word: "azofotosofgoefef".
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Where there is incentive to do wrong, people will do wrong.
"You cannot serve two masters. Either serve God, either serve money. That which you serve is where your heart will be." - Bible, New Testament, regarding incentives on Earth.
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@zedvictor4
Well, thats disgusting.
Its not enough that they go around teaching their ideology of "LGBT is good" (as proven by every gay in this forum), but now they wanna talk about their gay activities in public and how they have gay feelings.
While the Bible does command me to love my enemies, it commands me to correct people when they misbehave.
Even tho the death penalty for homosexuality is desireable by God of the Bible, I would actually wish that this society works on curing homosexuality.
We cant afford to have diseases in our society. Besides, any homosexual who wishes to be cured should simply pray to God and refuse to engage in any kind of lusting activities. Doing otherwise means he wants to be punished for his homosexuality.
Bible, being the scientifically accurate word of God, correctly predicted rise in diseases (mental diseases) in those societies that accept homosexuality.
Homosexuality is the slippery slope. You cannot justify homosexuality without justifying trans gender, trans species and other bad things.
Before, they were claiming it was about "consensual adults". Now they are castrating children and indoctrinating them.
We know them by their results.
"Good tree gives good fruit. Bad tree gives bad fruit. You will know them by their fruit." - Bible, New Testament, about difference between good and evil.
Fruit = the necessary consequence of one's actions.
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@oromagi
Oh, you mean like Akenatun, King David, Socrates, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Hadrian, Richard the Lionheart...
Those were very bad societies, but we dont have statistics on them. Try USA, where we have statistics of what happened after accepting homosexuality.
What manner of self-hating idiot would believe in a God that threatened his worshippers with eternal suffering?
Actually, suffering happens to those who dont follow the Bible. So the logical thing to do is to follow the Bible.
If God made Hell then he is not good. If God is good, then he would never make hell.
No. Punishing evil is the definition of good.
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@oromagi
Homosexual acts have been documented in over 450 species
Cool. But irrelevant. If homosexuals want to act like wild dogs, they shouldnt expect to be treated like normal human.
you can't argue that animals act from ideology
I didnt argue that. I argued that homosexual humans have ideology. Unless you claim that homosexuals are animals. In that case, I will admit they dont have ideology since they are animals.
Whatever your fear-based emotional panic response
No. I dont think thats an argument. Try again.
homosexuality is indisputably a thing made by God
By that logic, so is murder. However, homosexuality is described in the Bible as an act that should be punished by death.
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@oromagi
There are statistics that show every society that accepted homosexuality became worse after. Homosexuals go to hell and burn. There is no place for them. No father wants to hear from his son: "Dad, I am gay". Thats a personal failure as a parent.
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@Greyparrot
The only morality that is truly objective is one that based on evolutionary fitness.
That would be the Bible's morality. It is funny how God of the Bible invented morality, but it took evolutionists 4000 years later to come up with morality of fitness, similar but still greatly inferior morality. Morality of the Bible remains the best.
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@b9_ntt
I'm saying that currently there is no law so unjust as one permitting slavery.
Except the law permitting abortions, prisons and LGBT.
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@Greyparrot
I dont know what that means, but if its something that makes left look bad, then I agree with it.
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@zedvictor4
Guns make it easier to defend yourself.
When someone is breaking into your house, it is better to have a gun than wait for 10 minutes for police to arrive.
When you are being attacked by wild dog or a bear, there is no weapon that can replace a gun.
Even if we take away guns, there are still knives, bombs and cars that can be used by crazy murderer. However, the good citizen is left defenseless.
Ban guns = deny the good citizens of self-defense.
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@Intelligence_06
No U
No. If you want to continue sinning, dont expect for others to tolerate your wicked ways.
anyone would know that God wouldn't like such condemnation
Read the Bible. Then you will know what God likes.
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@zedvictor4
How did you come to this conclusion?
Its what happens when you mix 60 year old gays with 20 year old gays. Thats why its wrong.
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@Intelligence_06
Now that's two. ;)
No. You are wrong. Fix yourself before God destroys you. Then you will run around crying how you were a victim.
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@Intelligence_06
"That is one way of saying "I don't know what LGBTQP actually represents but I want to look like someone who does".".
No. Anyone who thinks "LGBTQP is not horrible" is himself a horrible person. You may have been exposed to "LGBTQP" propaganda, where they have convinced people that its normal for men to give oral pleasure to older men. It is not normal. Its wrong. I would like to see men have a healthy relationship with women. That is correct. Stop teaching kids they can change gender or be rabbits. You are destroying our society. Find a woman and be with her. Teach your children the correct way of life. A unity between a man and a woman is approved by God. You cannot be a man and have sex with other man. Its wrong.
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@oromagi
LGBT is obviously not an ideology
No. It is an ideology. The moment you think "its okay for me to do horrible things with another man and teach others of that too", it is both ideology and a very corrupt morality. Thats why it needs to be eradicated before it can spread.
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@oromagi
@IwantRooseveltagain
The main problem with people's prayer is that people arent humble enough and they refuse to admit their sins, and they refuse to warn others about sins.
We should be warning society about LGBT, porn and other abominations.
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
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@Double_R
Gee, why didn't we think of that?
Its because you have bad thinking. You think that you can accept wrong things and not be punished for it by God.
Its an equivalent to a woman spending her entire life rejecting relationships with good guys because she thought good isnt cool. Then that same woman when she is 40 years old ends up being alone and blames all men for her miserable life that she created by her own decisions.
Do you see what I am telling you, or do I need to break it down even more?
God has offered good things to your society. Your society rejected them. You accepted the evil things. Now you are blaming irrelevant objects because your society is evil.
Stop popping deppression pills and stop giving kids pills. And stop castrating children. Maybe then God will send you mercy. I will pray that your society gets better.
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Trump: "I will make a deal to end war in Ukraine in one day".
Yeah, who would allow that to happen.
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@Double_R
So you're going with the old "if we can't completely solve the problem then we shouldn't even bother" argument.
This is you assuming. Banning guns doesnt actually help with anything.
How about change your society so it prays to God and rejects LGBT, the movement that castrates kids while convincing them that Christianity is their enemy.
How about fixing the largest in history rates of deppression in USA?
How about not giving kids pills when they misbehave?
How about that? No? Nice.
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Do you know what else is USA number 1 in, among developed countries?
Deppression pill popping 😀
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