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"The Empire improves every system it touches"
That is probably true.
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@Elliott
Please don’t bother, your intention to lead this into yet another antiabortion rant was predictable and as I said previously “I’m not playing.”
Yeah, if only abortions didnt exist.
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@Amoranemix
Since you still refuse to make an argument, I still have nothing to respond to. My arguments remain unchallenged.
Bless.
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@TWS1405_2
Tell us again how babies are made.
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@TWS1405_2
You’re a waste of space on this planet, if you truly believe this asinine ignorant nonsense
How rude.
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@Elliott
You seem to be confusing the 21st century UK with Nazi Germany, I’m afraid I can’t help you with that one.
Do you deny that killings, abortions, drugging of children and circumcisions take place in your country? I can easily provide you with the evidence of the opposite. The abortions are the ones that are really undeniable, but others are hard to deny too.
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@PREZ-HILTON
@IwantRooseveltagain
I appreciate in advance you explaining the precise logic how being peaceful encourages hostility.
I would also like to hear that.
Even if Putin would invade Ukraine anyway, I need some evidence that he wants to literally conquer the world and would invade an America or North Korea even who wasn't an aggressor
No world leader is interested in conquering the world anymore. That dream died with Hitler. Now its just about dividing the world between superpowers. We didnt say that USA wants to conquer the world after invasion of Iraq. Why would we assume that Russia would do that after Ukraine? Why do we assume Russia would even be able to do that? Judging by the war in Ukraine, the Russia obviously has no enough man power to lead any large scale invasion of Europe, let alone the world. Plus, the Ukraine was part of USSR. This is just bringing back a small piece of what used to be Russia anyway. The division of the world is still greatly in US favor. Plus, the Ukraine did everything to spark up this war. Even before Crimea, Ukraine was bombing its own civilians who wanted to separate. The Ukrainian civilians were escaping to Russia because the Ukrainian government was bombing the cities where they lived.
I dont know why people pretend that Ukraine was peaceful in any way before invasion.
I also dont know why people want to send 100 billion dollars of military technology to Ukraine.
Is it worthy to start another cold war because of this?
Because US is spending lots of money over what is obviously another unwinnable local war.
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@Elliott
My desire not to commit murder has nothing to do with God as I don’t believe in him.
Yes, which is the opposite of your previous claim "I dont believe in God, therefore I am not a murderer".
It was already explained to you that disobeying God's commands and committing murder is possible even when you dont believe in God.
It was you who initially used the word "society" in relation to punishment.
Using the two words together doesnt mean I use different definition for them that is different from their actual definition.
Punishment: The deliberate infliction of harm, by authorized agents, on a person, in response to a breach of rules by which, it is claimed, the person is governed, and for which he or she is held responsible.
Yes, finally, a definition!
So how does your society, who deliberately inflicts harm on children by authorized agents in response to a breach of rules done by their parents, by which they and their parents are governed and held responsible,
Is different from God who deliberately inflicts harm on children if they and their parents are sinners, in order to create more good?
Begin with excuses to try to find a difference!
The difference is obvious. God punishes children for their sins and to increase the good. Your society punishes children at random: aborts them, kills them, mutilates them... Your society doesnt increase the good. How could it? Its not like your society is superior to God in knowledge, nor does your society know if killing, mutilating, drugging, causing pain and placing children at disadvantage has benefits for society.
Plus, the God has given clear instructions to your society to make it better. I believe one of them was not to circumcise. The other was not to kill. But your society still kills children with abortions, cars, drugs, foster care... Do you still consider your society superior to God, despite that results clearly show that when you distance yourself from God, you end up having more bad things? Maybe you can blame the God for being an atheist, despite that Bible says how God did not create an atheist? Atheist was created by the evil one.
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@Elliott
I never made such a claim.
Except that time when you said you cannot disobey God (commit murder, adultery...) because you dont believe in God.
Your disbelief in God is irrelevant to your ability to do bad things, commit murder, adultery, theft...
Your car accident example. If a car hits a child it is an accident unless the driver intended to hit that child
No. Every time you do action intentionally that you know will result in death, that is not an accident. Therefore, when you break a speed limit, which your society regularly does, you are intentionally doing something that results in death. When you choose to drive a car, you are intentionally doing that which results in death. Therefore, the fault is at you and your society.
what it isn’t is a punishment inflicted on that child
Denying the truth doesnt help you. If you think that intentionally killing a child as a result of parent's actions is not bad, then you might be a bit crazy. Which is nothing to be ashamed of. Most of your society is that way.
What the authorities would probably do is place the child in foster care.
Have you heard about drugs they give to children in foster care? Or does that not happen in UK?
I was defining the type of punishment “society’s punishment,” therefore using the word “punishment” is acceptable.
It is interesting how you need to use a made up circular definition to define two words as one: "society's punishment", in order to exclude "death, pain, mutilation, disadvantage and drugging" intentionally done to children in your society by your society as a result of their parent's actions.
Since your society does these things to children and does it intentionally as a result of their parent's actions(which is the definition of punishment), the only way for you to get away from this truth was to deny reality by using two different definitions of punishment: one when used by God, the other when used by your society.
Since your society obviously punishes children for the crimes of their parents, my point is proven correct. Atheists are deluded, and they blame God for doing that which they themselves do at much worse rate.
Now try to find difference between "intentionally causing death, pain, mutilation, disadvantage and drugging to children" and "punishing children" to try and make the first one sound less bad.
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Richard Wolff is a marxist. I didnt expect to see him in the video. He knows a great deal about the economy, but his explanations are not very popular because he promotes worker's coops. He is very leftist in his views, and supports redistribution of wealth.
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Apparently without oil, the military doesnt function.
Nor does economy.
So its not really that the imperial Japan loves Russia. Its the oil that they love.
Plus, being nuked twice by USA is a bad memory. Who could be surprised that the alliance failed?
Plus, it is better to be neutral with Russia and North Korea. Dont wanna get nuked for the 3rd time.
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@Elliott
And if you are a murderer, believing in God doesn’t changethe fact that you are a murderer.
Yes, but thats irrelevant to your claim "I dont believe in God, therefore I am not a murderer".
None of those examples corresponds to your claim that childrenare punished for the crimes of their parents.
Well, let us hear you.
The first is an accident, not a punishment.
No. Its a punishment which results in death. An accident would be something out of your control, not something that you produced knowing the end result. Therefore, when your society produces a system that punishes uncared children with death, your society carries responsibility. Further, when your society doesnt punish uncaring parents, that too contributes to death. Usually, people want to deny responsibility for their actions in order to continue doing evil. Therefore, I am not surprised when you deny that your society is responsible for the things it intentionally caused. Denying reality is usually necessary when faced with truth.
If parents die and leave a child no crime has been committed.
Unless the death is suicide. Death by itself is not a crime or an intentional action. Suicide is. I believe we are talking about intentional actions here.
Poverty isn’t a crime.
So why does your society punish children who have poor parents? If parent's actions caused them to be poor, why are children put to difficulties for the actions of their parents?
Circumcision isn’t a crime
It is by God's law. Your society punishes children with circumcision if their parents agree.
If parents go to prison, society will try to provided care for that child not punish them.
Therefore, when a child lives in one of government's horrible caring facilities and gets drugged there, that is same as child who has parents and who is not drugged? Usually, when we have two opposites, we consider one better than the other. The worse option is a punishment done to the child due to actions of his parents.
The accepted definition would probably be punishment carried out for wrong doing by a legal authority
No. The definition of punishment cannot include the word punishment. Otherwise, we dont need definitions at all. We can just say: logic is logic, punishment is punishment, crime is crime...
Of course, you would prefer to find a definition that doesnt include "causing death, pain, mutilation, disadvantage and drugging". However, if "causing these things to a child for the crimes of his parents" is not punishment, then surely nothing is punishment.
Therefore, when you cause "death, pain, mutilation, disadvantage and drugging" to the child for the actions of his parents, you have no right to complain when God punishes disobedient children for the sins of their parents and rewards the good children for their faith.
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@Elliott
As I don’t believe in God I can’t be disobedient, thereforeI am free of sin
False. Your disobedience towards God is found in your breaking of his commands. Those commands exist irrelevant of your disbelief, and "you breaking commands" also exists irrelevant of your disbelief.
If you are a murderer, not believing in God does not change that.
And if that question is leading to "abortion," I'm not playing.
So you know your sin before it was even said to you.
Abortion is one example.
But yes, your society punishes children for the crimes of their parents.
If parents dont look after their child, and child ends up being hit by a car and killed, then the child got punished for the crime of his parents.
If parents end up in prison, doesnt the child's life become worse if child has no one to take care of him?
Didnt it happen before, that CPS take children away from parents and forces children to use psychiatric drugs?
Didnt it happen before, that parents are allowed to circumcise their children and society helps them in that?
Didnt it happen before, that parents can ruin child's health by feeding him junk food provided by your society?
Didnt it happen before, that your society treated orphans very poorly?
Didnt it happen before, that children with poor parents are at a disadvantage in your society?
Therefore, when God forgives children who are obedient to Him, He indeed has more mercy than your society who forgives no one. And your society is one of the better ones?
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@Intelligence_06
Why would God do something like this?
Because God is good?
How about we just screw it
Ummm well, you are most certainly free to do that...
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@Elliott
Inherent sin is another horrible idea.
The sin is only inherent if children are disobedient to God.
Plus, doesnt your society usually punish children for the crimes of their parents?
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@PREZ-HILTON
I think we had enough of Hitlers in history.
In fact, one "Hitler" wanted to kill Jesus while Jesus was a baby, but his plans were spoiled.
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@Elliott
Doesn’t explain why his death would make the world a better place.
After his death, the number of Christians (good people) rose greatly.
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@Elliott
I am not sure why he had to die though.
The answer is in the Bible. Jesus willingly died to make the world a better place.
He could have called an army of angels and save himself. He chose not to. He willingly died so that people after that could willingly accept the good.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I am talking about self forgiveness.
The only person I cant forgive is me. My sins are my sins. I can forget some of them through prayer. I can punish myself for it by feeling bad. However, since my sins are against God, only God can forgive them. Asking for forgiveness is, in my view, better than asking to be punished. In both cases you are admitting your sin, of course, and you try to be better. However, asking for forgiveness is prescribed by the Bible.
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@Sidewalker
So every time you jack off you are murdering over a hundred million human beings?
Yes.
Masturbation is wrong. Porn is wrong. These things, on top of destroying life, make society worse and more depressed. Spilling seed, even if unintentional, makes person unclean. The result of masturbation, abortion and murder are the same. No human life. The seed is spilled.
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Yes. The forgiveness is offered. It is not mandatory to accept it.
Yes. This evil world doesnt deserve forgiveness by their own logical standards.
God sends gifts to the evil people in an attempt to correct them and make them better. God wants for people to be good or at least make them better than they are.
Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven."
Matthew 5:45
"He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
Forgiveness is divine. It is above the logic of this world. Its fruit is peace of the mind.
Because truly, you can either forgive a person either feel bad about what they have done. Why would someone choose to feel bad? Isnt it better to feel good?
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@Amoranemix
No. When you provide an argument, then we will be able to discuss. Since I am the only one who provided arguments, there is still nothing for me to respond to. I hope you present arguments soon, because I am running out of patience.
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Dylan doesnt even look like a girl. I guess those trans surgeries dont have high success rate.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
We didn't always have school massacres though. I think there is a cause, and it might be as simple as "the experts" drugging people who are depressed due to bullying with psychoactive substances with unknown mechanisms of action.Last time I looked into this, very few attacks lacked that factor.Also, before mandatory schooling a kid could just escape severe bullying. I also think the general level of virtue has gone down. Any group of humans, even children; will form their own culture and the culture of schools have been allowed to grow on their own (with insufficient correction when it turns rotten).If you have a rotten group of people, and throw in a few new ones regularly; the new ones aren't going to dilute the rottenness they'll become part of it.
Yes. Bullying in schools today is unavoidable in the general sense. Add on top of that the psychiatric drugs that are prescribed to very young children, to toddlers.
Under the guide of "experts", people poison their own children.
When we realize that "expert" is not the arbiter of truth, but of money, we will realize that it is in "expert's" interest to sell as many drugs as possible at the high price.
Ironically, under the guide of "experts", mental illnesses in societies have increased and keep increasing.
Every year, we have an increase in the rate of autism, depression, suicidal thoughts, violent thoughts, sexual deviations...
One could attribute this to LGBT ideology too.
However, if the drugs are supposed to make children better, why arent children getting better after consuming those drugs?
After they said: "God is dead", they forgot that there is no substitute for God.
If we take a look at the most effective anti-depression drugs, we see that they have "the effect expiration date". In other words, they stop working after some time. You take them, but they dont produce the same effect anymore.
Compared to that, the effect of prayer never stops working.
Finally, every person is different. It is impossible to make a correct judgment about person's depression, since we dont know the scale of depression. Same applies to all other mental illnesses.
Since it is obvious that psychiatry is witchcraft and psychology is its extended hand, can we remove this witchcraft from our society before any more damage is done?
Society that is increasingly mentally ill will after a while end up having mentally ill leaders.
Can we afford that in the age of nuclear weapons?
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@Intelligence_06
that is when we should sacrifice
Do you agree that we sacrifice you then?
when the population is so large the world can not only not functionally hold them but physically cannot hold them
I assume your knowledge of the world comes from Sponge Bob Square Pants.
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@zedvictor4
And Best Korea loves and hates in equal proportions, shining as a beacon of human moral ambiguity.
Well, thats rude.
Happy Chocolate Egg Weekend B.K.
You too.
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@Intelligence_06
Wrong. You do use it.
Justify abortion = justify murder.
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@Amoranemix
Since you have not presented any counter arguments, there is still nothing for me to respond to.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I agree that morality is objective. It exists in the form of God's law. The violation of such law always results in diminishing number of humans, in diseases and diminished chances of survival.
Therefore, since the punishment for lack of such morality is objective, such morality too is objective.
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Pro-choice people are pro-suicide, pro-trans, pro-infantcide, pro-furry and pro-castration.
Really a fantastic moral position they hold. Its like trying to do everything they can to destroy human life on Earth while pretending to care about human beings.
Also, its really interesting to watch them jump between "children cant understand their decisions" and "children can decide to change gender".
Its like watching a dog try bite its own tail.
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@Elliott
You asked me if I know the difference between religious and highly religious
Yes. You posted a link that talks about highly religious while ignoring other religious people. Therefore, your link is invalid.
drawing a line between atheists and believers hardly explains that difference
It wasnt meant to explain the difference, but to point where you should look.
atheists are usually neither religious or highly religious
Which part of that sentence confuses you?
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@Elliott
That there may be levels of orthodoxy but I am not sure where you would draw the line.
Well, for a start, draw the line between atheists and believers.
Of course, being more religious is better, but we dont have an exact meassure of who is most religious. However, a simple "I am a believer" works for countries where Christianity is the main religion. Even better is if someone says "I am a Christian". It means it is more likely that those people obey the Bible more than the atheists do.
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@FLRW
An estimated 216,000 were victims of French clergy.
With the rise of atheism, there is always rise in rape. Christians have some bad people, but atheists are far worse.
Most of the rapists in France are atheists. Number of Christians decreased in the past 14 years, number of atheists tripled in the past 14 years, and the number of rape cases in France tripled in the past 14 years.
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@Elliott
my previous links related to a belief specifically in God with a capital G, which signifies the monotheistic God.
No. Your links were clearly talking about people who were highly religious. Do you know the difference between religious and highly religious?
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@Elliott
That Stalin, Mao and Hitler were able to kill so many people in justcouple of decades is largely down to the availability of modern technology.
No, the Christians had technology too at the time.
That Stalin attacked Christianity was down to Communism and politicisedantitheism.
No. Stalin was an atheist who rejected Christian values and destroyed them. Atheists always end up making society worse. There is no society that became better after rise in atheism. Atheist Communism is a product of atheism. Thinking that people can be happy if you give them factory and take away God is just another version of atheism. Its just trying to compensate for lack of spirituality.
In a 1928 speech Hitler said - "We tolerate no one inour ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement isChristian."
Hitler also claimed to be a Socialist, a nazi, an aryan, a vegetarian, an animal rights supporter. He claimed everything which was supported by majority to gain their support. However, Hitler was not a Christian, obviously. He followed values which were atheist in nature. He praised himself, which is condemned in the Bible. He killed a lot of people and wanted to rule the world, which is also strongly condemned in the Bible. So he was an atheist manipulator, in the same way a priest who says "homosexuality is okay" is not a Christian but an atheist. You cannot have atheist values and still be a Christian. Bible defines Christian as someone who follows God's commands.
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@Intelligence_06
killing fetuses are wrong for arbitrary reasons
No. It is wrong because life has value. If you say that life has no value, then your life has no value. If you say that life has value, then the goal is to increase life.
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@Intelligence_06
There are too many college graduates where you have to fight for the life to get into a collegehave them feel like shit
And your solution is to kill them? I knew that atheists have no morality, but this is literally the most corrupt logic I ever heard. This justifies killing anyone. Will you kill your neighbor and say in the court "There are too many Chinese anyway"?
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@ebuc
Biologic life has value...until it doesnt
No. Human life always has value. There is no point at which it is okay for you to murder a human being. Not young, not old. Life is the most precious thing on Earth, and decreasing human life is morally wrong. If you disagree with this, then you justify murder. Do you think that murder is justified? Who decides which life has value? Anyone? Since it is obvious that you have no morality, you can just say "I am an atheist who has no morality" and we can bring this contest to an end.
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@Intelligence_06
Abortion is an effective way to reduce overpopulation.
Imagine believing in overpopulation.
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@zedvictor4
And therefore we are justified in executing Best Korea, if they execute a woman who chooses to abort zygotal tissue
Since no life has value from an abortionist standpoint, executing you or anyone is justified. Such view falls apart quickly.
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@Tradesecret
What does blessing mean in your view?
Well, its not a simple answer.
It means to remember God before, while and after drinking the water.
It means to thank God for everything good.
It means to pray to God to avoid evil.
It means to pray to God to keep providing for us that which is good.
I believe when such prayer is done, it makes the water better.
Since I drink water over 10 times a day, and eat only 1-2 times a day, to me it seems good to include prayers while drinking water as opposed to just prayers when I eat.
I am just wondering if I am wrong in such belief, because I cant seem to find solid support for it. I mean the religious support, not random opinions on Quora.
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@Elliott
As to what built the UK,it was technology and a powerful navy.
So the Christian countries also have the best military?
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@Elliott
Your other link doesnt mention percentage of religious, but percentage of "highly religious". Do you know the difference between religious and highly religious?
I would also suggest looking up the history of Christianity
Did Christianity kill billions of people?
In the entire two thousand year history of Christianity, the answer is no.
Atheist values managed to kill billions in just 100 years.
Atheists like Stalin, Mao and Hitler killed over 100 million people in just couple of decades.
Atheists aborted over 1 billion children, therefore committing the biggest mass murder in the entire history of humanity.
Atheism doesnt work.
No country ever became better from rise in atheism or atheist values.
Rise in atheism or rise of atheist values is always being followed by rise in rape, depression, violence, suicides, murders, abortions and castration of children.
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@Elliott
You read it wrong.
From your link:
"The countries with the most people reporting no belief in any sort of spirit, god, or higher power are France (40%), Czech Republic (37%), Sweden (34%), Netherlands (30%), Estonia (29%), Germany (27%), Belgium (27%) and Slovenia (26%)."
Those are the percentages of atheists, not percentages of believers.
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@FLRW
Just like trans shooter was a Christian?
No. When there were more Christians, there was less rape.
More atheists = more rape.
Its the atheists who argued for letting migrants into the country. Its what happens when you let atheists get any control over anything.
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@zedvictor4
A Christian is anyone who cares to take the book seriously and join the Christian club. Recreational sex is what they do after Church.
Which part of the Bible allows "recreational sex" and how are those who dont follow the Bible labeled as Christians?
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@FLRW
Same site says that the number of rape cases have also increased in France with the rise of atheism.
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@zedvictor4
This doesn't necessarily make Sweden a Christian Country. The USA has a female majority. So therefore is the USA a Female Country.
A country built by females. Apparently, reproduction is impossible without male and female. At least you admitted that Sweden has Christian majority, which only leads to conclusion that Sweden was built by Christians, since its government is Christian and its people are Christian and historically they were overwhelmingly Christians. Atheism is not necessary to build a country, and countries become worse when atheism increases. I guess its God's punishment.
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@Elliott
UK didnt get better during recent increase in atheism.
The crime rate got worse, the number of rape cases has doubled. This indicates that atheism still doesnt work.
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