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@Sir.Lancelot
Troll Korea is returning
Is a false statement. Trolling would include more insults, preferably just insults. I am being kind now as I try to reason with the atheists.
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@ludofl3x
For me the answer is baby because babies are people.
You only save one life. I save 1000.
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@ludofl3x
How do you deal with the "Trapped in a burning fertility clinic" problem?
Easy. If the choice is 1 born baby vs. 1000 unborns, I would save the 1000 unborns. The gain on the amount of life is obvious, assuming 1000 unborns will safely be born and grow into 1000 humans.
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@IlDiavolo
Lack of knowledge in what, kid? If may I ask.
Is an incorrect question. I feel no need to answer it.
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@zedvictor4
Notwithstanding that the Bible was written by men and not by a GOD.
Is a false statement. Bible is scientifically accurate and the inspired word of God.
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@IlDiavolo
I forgive you for your lack of knowledge.
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@zedvictor4
Faith will either pay off or not.
My faith has already paid off. I am happier as a believer. The belief in God is what makes people better and makes their lives better. It is the atheism that doesnt pay off.
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@zedvictor4
You believe that it is. But you don't know that it is.
I know that christianity is correct. You will know too, after the kingdom comes.
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@zedvictor4
If people followed the commands in the Bible, we would be in a better position. There would be more life. There would be more food. There would be more clean water.
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and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
I believe this is about kingdom of heaven. It will have no end, since it will be eternal.
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"Global fresh water demand will outstrip supply by 40% by 2030, say experts" - No more water for the corrupt humanity
"Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born" - No more births for the corrupt humanity
"Over the past 50 years, human sperm counts appear to have fallen by more than 50% around the globe"
"Earth has lost a third of arable land in past 40 years, scientists say" - No more food for the corrupt humanity
God hates the corrupt. God punishes the corrupt by diminishing their numbers.
"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." - Isaiah 24:5
"Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
and very few are left." - Isaiah 24:6
"Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them." - Exodus 32:10
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@Greyparrot
America has the most overweight people in the world. That is by design to keep poor people fat dumb and happy and the rich richer.
Overweight people are sick by definition. However, you are also paying for other useless crap: psychology and psychiatry.
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I am actually impressed by the level of detail in that link.
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Healthcare costs more than the military. People are abusing the healthcare system.
Thus, the only working healthcare system would be a commune-managed healthcare or private healthcare.
You want me to pay for you going to doctor 100 times a year? Better then explain why you are going to doctor 100 times a year.
The state does not manage these details, so expenses pile up.
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Next they should issue a warrant to arrest Kim Jong Un.
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I would support the abolishment of police in favor of community-driven police or community being the police.
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@TheUnderdog
Well, I do have to say that I have some objections to their idea.
90,000 $ a year means a person doesnt have to work for the rest of his life.
On the other hand, it could cause a person to invest the money in companies and as such, help the economy.
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@TheUnderdog
@ADreamOfLiberty
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@DavidAZ
Black people make up 5% of San Francisco population, which is about 200,000 black people.
Paying each of them 5 million would cost 1 trillion dollars.
So yes, its a lot.
However, thats not all.
They also want to pay yearly income in the amount of 90,000 dollars.
I am guessing the 5 million will not pass, but the basic income might.
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@hey-yo
Stephen and brotherd.thomas are atheists who regularly mock the Bible.
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@TWS1405_2
Pray for yourself.
Actually, I pray for everyone, including my enemies.
"Love your enemies"
"that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
So yes, the Bible commands to love everyone and hence, to pray for everyone.
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@hey-yo
You can take the coins with you, but it can only be used for goods OR services at the school
Yes, that would be fine. I do have a couple of problems with bullies taking stuff from the kids who are successful, but I believe it can be managed.
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@TWS1405_2
You sound happy and angry at the same time.
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If nothing, they will prove that wealth redistribution works.
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I would prefer if people dreamed more. Right now we are in some kind of a circle where people eat so that they could work and work so that they could eat. Human should be something more than that.
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@Greyparrot
Not with the track record America has for human rights abuses.
What track record are you talking about?
Is it giving death penalty to children in USA?
Is it sending 10 year olds to prison?
Is it killing and nuking children in WW2?
Is it killing children in Vietnam?
Is it killing children in Iraq?
Is it killing children in Iraq 2?
Is it killing children in Libya?
Is it killing children in Libya 2?
Is it killing children in Afganistan?
Is it arming the terrorists in Afganistan, which places US on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism?
Is it arming terrorists in Syria?
Is it killing children in Syria?
Is it killing children in Korea?
Is it killing children in Cambodia?
Is it killing children in Laos?
Is it killing children in Yemen?
Is it killing children in Somalia?
Is it killing children in Ukraine in 2014?
These are some of US track records of human rights abuses that we prefer to pretend like they didnt happen to make ourselves feel better despite that we voted for the criminals responsible for those track records and cheered while crimes were committed like we are cheering right now about the war in Ukraine.
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The biggest mistake of our educational system is forcing kids to do things that benefit nobody.
If the kid is not interested in reading history books, they force a kid to read history books through decades of education, hello whats the point? The kid obviously wont become a history teacher and will obviously forget 99.99% of what he learned and will just find it more difficult to focus on what he is interested in.
The failure of our education system is such that it tries to turn kids into something they are not, and tries to do it by force.
On top of that, the kid gets bullied by other kids. Sometimes a lot. The school is a place of bullying and child abuse to the point where they had to make it a law that teachers cant beat kids. Now the teachers can emotionally abuse kids instead.
The result of such retarded education system are all the depressed idiots we have right now in society.
So yes, the solution is to abolish the whole thing. There is no fixing. This thing is designed by idiots to produce more idiots.
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@hey-yo
Is there an order to which gospel to read first, and why?
I would say read gospel of Matthew first.
I consider all gospels to be good. I dont have any particular order in mind for gospels. I know that when I first got my hands on the Bible, I read the gospels first, not the Genesis. The gospels caused me to love the Bible and stick to it. I read them in the order they are written in the Bible.
I think its best to read all 4 gospels first, before reading other parts of the Bible. It makes the book easier to understand. If you read Bible from beginning to the end in order, it would take you a long time to reach gospels. However, if you read gospels first, then you get the basics of Christianity immediatelly.
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read 1 corinthians 7. starting at verse 1. you denied jesus, but maybe paul will knock some sense into ya
The Corinthians 7 26 say: "Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is."
So only in times of crisis where reproduction would cause great problems, are you supposed to not reproduce.
Now, you blocked me so I guess you are not much of a talker.
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@Melc
i got bible to tell me i dont have to marry, or reproduce.
I can quote you a bunch of passages from the Bible telling people that children are blessing and that you should reproduce.
Please show us where the Bible told you not to reproduce.
"Behold, children are a gift of the LORD; the fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one’s youth. How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them; they shall not be ashamed, When they speak with their enemies in the gate." Psalm 127:3-5
"Your wife shall be like a fruitful vine, Within your house, your children like olive plants around your table. Behold, for thus shall the man be blessed Who fears the LORD." Psalm 128:3-4
"Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!" Deuteronomy 5:29
"May the Lord give you increase,
You and your children" Psalm 115:14
"Can a woman forget her nursing child
And have no compassion on the son of her womb?" Isaiah 49:15
"He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord." Proverb 18:22
"It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him." Genesis 2:18
"But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." Corinthians 7:2
"Take wives and have sons and daughters; take wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage, that they may bear sons and daughters; multiply there, and do not decrease." Jeremiah 29:6
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" Genesis 2:24
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@Melcharaz
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
This is obviously not the command for Adam and Eve alone. God clearly expressed desire for humans to increase in number and fill the earth, after he was pleased with them. So yes, if you believe God is pleased with you, you are to reproduce. If God gave you the ability to reproduce, you are to reproduce. God does not give contradictive commands or has contradictive desires. Further, no command in the Bible is directed to you with your name on it, so why would you listen any of it?
Further, you do not obey "Thou shall not kill" when you kill your children by not having sex.
he was killed for treating a woman like a masturbation tool and for disobedience to his father and by proxy, God. not abortion
Sorry, thats not how its written in the Bible. People dont get killed by God for disobedience to their father, unless father's command was God's command. The God's command is to have children. If it was not, God would not kill the man for spilling his seed. If you are not allowed to spill your seed, what does that tell you about abortion? If the God's command is: "If your brother dies, you are to marry his wife and have children with her", then its clear that God commands people to reproduce. How many times does God need to command the reproduction for you to understand its a command directed to everyone?
Further, matthew 19:12 speaks of people who live like eunuchs for the sake of kingdom of heaven. This means that the only time you should consider living like eunuchs is if the unity with a woman causes you to break God's commands. So if you have in the past sinned due to women, but were not killed, you are to live like eunuchs.
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@SkepticalOne
Perhaps you would define "human life"
Is a false statement. I dont need to define it. Unless you are possessed or mentally retarded, you pretty much would know what is a human life.
It has already been shown in this thread you're not advocating 'God's will's' as laid out by the Bible.
Is a false statement. I provided you with direct commands from the Bible plenty of times. You chose to ignore them every time. Thats called atheist stupidity.
That would be a no true Scotsman fallacy.
Is false. I dont see how could you possibly be this stupid. Its disgusting. The believer is clearly defined in the Bible as someone who follows the commands of God. You choose to ignore the definition. That implies you have some mental disorder, probably hit on the head too much. Since you think the definitions dont matter (and that following definitions is a fallacy), there is no conversation with you that is possible.
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Bible contains the necessary knowledge for humans. Bible, being the word inspired by God, is the main book of Christians and is the one they should all read.
So the order of reading would be:
1) Matthew
2) Mark
3) Luke
4) John
These 4 are stories about the life of Jesus. Very important to read them. They are found at the beginning of the New Testament. If you have only little time to read, I suggest you read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These are the most important parts of the Bible.
5) Acts
Acts are deeds done by the disciples of Jesus.
Next, you should be reading:
6) Genesis
7) Exodus
8) Leviticus
9) Numbers
10) Deuteronomy
These contain the story of first humans and first believers.
If you like the praises of God and poems, I recommend Psalms in the Bible.
If you like traditional wisdom, I recommend proverbs - there is chapter in the Bible called proverbs.
If you like love stories, Bible has that too in the chapter Song of songs.
If you have any particular question in life but you are too lazy to read the entire Bible, just go to google and type "What does the Bible say about this". After finding what chapter in the Bible relates to your problem, open the Bible and read it.
Dont forget about prayer. After reading the Bible, say the prayer. When going to bed, before falling asleep say the prayer:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.
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@SkepticalOne
What kind of life are we talking?
The human life. I wouldnt have to explain this to you if you read the Bible. Again, atheist stupidity shows itself. Please, read the Bible. It will benefit you.
We have shown we do not accept your view of morality
There is no "my view of morality". It is God's will. You either value life above all else, either you dont. If you dont, you burn in hell. Simple.
it is believers who are getting the majority of abortions
Is an obvious lie.
No, the believers in God do not kill children. I dont see how you could possibly come to conclusion that someone who obeys God's command is someone who doesnt obey it. An obvious nonsense statement. Someone who doesnt obey God's command is an atheist (John 14:15). An atheist can lie that he is a Christian, but he doesnt obey God's commands which means he doesnt really believe in God so he goes to hell to burn.
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@Double_R
It wasn't my body whose organs were about to be pushed to the side and rearranged to make room for another person. It wasn't my hormones that were about to go haywire. It wasn't my back and hips that were about to be abused to the point of possible permanent damage. And it wasn't my life that was about to be risked to go through all of this.
You are right. Your wife doesnt belong to you. She belongs to God. God commanded her to multiply.
Therefore, she has two options:
1) Obey the God and give birth,
2) Kill her own child and then go to hell to burn.
In case of 2, I would also argue for the punishment in this world too. I believe death penalty is appropriate.
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@zedvictor4
Just don't pray to the immoral killer GODS
Is true. I believe in life. God of the Bible is life. Atheists believe in death. My God hates death. Atheists cannot understand the Bible. God diminished atheist's intelligence (Exodus 9:12). Atheists have killed billions of children. Atheism doesnt work unless your goal is to die sooner, destroy your society and then burn in hell. (deuteronomy 9:14)
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@SkepticalOne
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@TWS1405_2
My little atheist friends, you have not refuted the morality of life. If anything, you have proven that atheism has no morality or intelligence. So I thank you for exposing yourselves.
Let us pray for all the deluded atheists who killed billions of children proving that their atheism doesnt work and is an abomination.
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@zedvictor4
BK has displayed varying personalities and ideologies.
Is a true statement. I have proven your atheist world view to be nothing before the power of the God.
The morality of life, the value of life, is the best. Atheists couldnt match it no matter how hard they tried. And they did try hard, so greater the punishment for them.
Thus, after a series of our little trials, God's will was victorious. To claim that religious people are blind sheep is in itself a blind sentence. Religious people, being smarter than atheists, cant possibly limit themselves to one thing as atheists do. Religious people who follow the correct word of God, apply it in all ways and test things to establish the will of God in all things. As the Bible commands, the Christian is both smart and good. He is always advancing in knowledge and wisdom, where atheist only advances in sin and abominations.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
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@b9_ntt
I knew that you would spin these verses to conform with your theology.
Is a false statement. I dont know how you can possibly misunderstand the Bible so much. I know that God punishes atheists by diminishing their intelligence(Exodus 9:12) along with their birth rates (Ezekiel 39:4) (deuteronomy 9:14).
However, how he destroyed you is an obvious proof of these verses.
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@SkepticalOne
No refutation provided. I accept your concession.
Is a sentence that makes no sense. You are possessed. I pointed you to refutations. I dont see how you could possibly miss it.
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@SkepticalOne
I provided a novel argument not found elsewhere in the thread
Is a false statement. I dont know if you are suffering from some severe brain damage, but "rape" and "threat to mother's life" were refuted in the first post. So no, you did not present a novel argument. I understand that lying is encouraged in atheism, as well as child sacrifice being promoted. So keep up with your lying, and I will keep up with my truth.
I'd be happy to debate if you care to engage
Is a blatant lie. You have already shown unwillingness to debate or refute arguments. You obviously arent even capable of understanding the argument. What you are doing is proving that atheists are morally and intellectually inferior, as well as being cowards. Hence, there are no atheists in the fox holes.
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@TWS1405_2
Neither SO nor myself backed down let alone conceded.
Is a false statement. When you failed to provide a counter argument, you conceded. After you two failed to refute the destruction of life caused by abortion, you resorted to mindless ranting where your comments didnt contain any arguments anymore.
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@b9_ntt
Exodus 21:22 clearly shows that the life of the mother was considered more valuable than the life of an unborn child.
Is a false statement. Exodus 21:22 talks about two men fighting each other, where one of them ends up hitting a pregnant woman and is fined if she has a miscarriage. Some translations dont say miscarriage, but instead they say "premature birth without harm".
But lets assume it does mean miscarriage.
This is clearly not an intentional abortion, but an accidental killing where man does not fight with a woman but ends up hitting her.
The atheists, deceived by the devil, thought that it talks about intentional abortion.
If an accidental killing of an unborn is punished with fine, the intentional killing of an unborn is punished with death.
The Bible commands the death penalty for an intentional abortion and intentional spilling of seed:
"he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also."
So a man was killed for trying to prevent the creation of offspring after God commanded him to create offspring.
God commands everyone to have an offspring:
"God blessed them and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it’"
"The generations flowing from your seed and from your womb are a crown"
The fact that you thought how Bible supports abortion proves that atheists are indeed deceieved.
The God's commands, being to increase life, are the opposite of the destruction of life by abortion or any other means.
Leviticus 27:2 and Numbers 3:15 show that children less than one month old were not considered people.
Is a false statement. Quote which part of those says: "these are not people". I will wait until you do so.
Genesis 28:34 shows that abortion was sanctioned
Sorry, thats not how quoting works.
The abortion, the spilling of a seed, are punished by death, as shown in previous quotes.
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@SkepticalOne
I was presented with rumors of logical arguments. Nice try though.
Is a false statement. You dont have any logic. You were presented with clear truth that you denied due to being seduced.
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@SkepticalOne
I'm not worried about eternal torment in an afterlife. I'm am not a Christian.
Is a false statement. You should be worried in this life too. Atheist world view always fails. You have no morality. You cannot be good, since God doesnt give rewards to the atheists.
A person who accepts the extreme views you represent here is an exponentially greater threat than any Biblical damnation.
Is a false statement. You do not get to say who is a threat. You say that woman can kill children for her pleasure. You are seduced by some strong satanic curse. As other atheists have pointed out, being atheist does not mean you have to go around saying women should be killing their children. In your case, it clearly does mean that you feel the urge to perform abortions, indicating demonic presence.
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@TWS1405_2
After being presented with logical arguments, you and ScepticalOne both backed down and conceded, both being unable to refute my arguments.
You say: "The Bible is bunk full of endless and relentless violence where even GOD itself MURDERED men, women, children and beasts when HE didn't get his way. Perfect moral system MY ASS!!!!".
Is false.
You dont understand the morality of the Bible. You dont understand that in order to protect and increase the life, sometimes it is necessary to kill. The two commands being "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall multiply and fill the Earth with life". God kills in order to increase life. When you abort children, you dont do it to increase life. You do it to destroy life. You say to a woman: "you are free not to have children, and if you happen to get pregnant you may kill your child". The destruction of life. You have encouraged women not to be mothers. By doing that, you have destroyed their children. You produced death, not life. Further, you say: "if pregnancy endangers your life, get an abortion". The pregnancy always endangers life. The abortion is never justified, for the only way for there to be life is for mother to risk her life to create her child. So when you say: "dont risk your life", then you destroy all life. Atheism, being based on death and failed logic, has nothing to offer to the world but death. It is utterly a failed society of atheism. There is no morality without God. Those who love God love life. Those who hate God hate the life.
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Digital currency would be taxed just like regular currency. It would make little to no difference to the government.
The fact that people think that changing currency will fix their economy is nonsense.
Currency is not the desired product, but a means of exchange. It makes no difference to you if you buy your phone with gold, dollar or bitcoin.
Further, the government can tax you in many ways, including to make you pay in digital currency.
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@SkepticalOne
further engagement would be a waste of my time.
Is a false statement. You will have plenty of time to waste in hell. Maybe then you will understand why killing is wrong, but it will be too late.
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