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@SkepticalOne
@TWS1405_2
Are false statements. The atheists dont have morality or logic. Thats why you two cannot possibly engage in discussion with me. You can only repeat refuted points and pretend like you are valid. You are not valid. It was already explained to you. You do not get to kill children. Is it really so difficult to understand that you are not allowed to kill children?
It was already explained that the Bible has perfect moral system based on principles of protection and increase of life.
You two prefer death over life. Thats exactly what the God will give you.
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@zedvictor4
And "thou shalt not kill". Well, 12:29 contradicts this.
Is a false statement.
The command "Thou shall not kill" when applied to a situation where killing is inevitable, tells us to act to reduce killing. The God acted so in 12:29.
To kill 1 person to save 20 people or to kill 20 people to save 1 person, the moral choice is obvious there.
Only a weak atheist wouldnt be able to decide if its better to save 20 people or to save just 1 person.
And population growth rate is what it is, relative to intellectual and material development.
Is correct. The intellectual development is founded on God's commands. There is no society that can exist without following "thou shall not kill" morality to some degree. Establishing proper morality that protects and increases life is crucial for every society. The Bible gave two standards: protection of life and an increase of life. These standards are perfect. The laws being based on these standards are better than laws based on any other standards. So when the Bible gave us these perfect standards, it helped us greatly in making laws and decisions. To reject these standards would be foolish, since the morality system based on them is the best we have.
And the two most populous nations on the planet, pay little regard to the bible
Is misleading. The Christianity has the largest number of followers in the world, and some of the strongest countries in the world are Christian countries. So counting people across the whole world, Christianity has the greatest numbers and greatest strength. Further, just because other countries dont officially relate to Christianity doesnt mean that they are not applying some of the principles of the Bible. India too has a principle of "thou shall not kill", and has set up conditions for people to multiply. However, I have already told you what difficulties China and India face due to some of the sins committed there. (Incest and dog eating = diseases and disorders).
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@TWS1405_2
The Bible is bunk and for ignorant weak minded people.
Is a false statement. There is nothing weak minded in fighting for rights of billions of people to live. All societies that are good are founded partially or mostly on the laws of the Bible and the moral system of the Bible. Some atheists admit that the morality of life is perfect and should be upheld by all. When you give in to pleasure and choose pleasure over life, you have chosen death. Because of pleasure, over one billion of children were aborted. To support such a thing is madness.
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Google "science in the Bible".
Very useful.
The Bible contains plenty of knowledge that one simply couldnt know 2000 years ago.
Even if someone says that it was a series of lucky guesses, what are the odds of Bible being correct every time and how is it possible that the Bible is scientifically confirmed every time?
Job 28:5 the core of Earth is fire:
"The earth, from which food comes, is transformed below as by fire"
- The universe had a beginning. (Genesis 1:1) In contrast, many ancient myths describe the universe, not as being created, but as being organized from existing chaos. The Babylonians believed that the gods that gave birth to the universe came from two oceans. Other legends say that the universe came from a giant egg.
- The universe is governed day-to-day by rational natural laws, not by the whims of deities. (Job 38:33; Jeremiah 33:25) Myths from around the world teach that humans are helpless before the unpredictable and sometimes merciless acts of the gods.
The Earth is floating in space:
- The earth is suspended in empty space. (Job 26:7) Many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.
- Rivers and springs are fed by water that has evaporated from the oceans and other sources and then has fallen back to earth as rain, snow, or hail. (Job 36:27, 28; Ecclesiastes 1:7; Isaiah 55:10; Amos 9:6) The ancient Greeks thought that rivers were fed by underground ocean water, and this idea persisted into the 18th century.
- The mountains rise and fall, and today’s mountains were once under the ocean. (Psalm 104:6, 8) In contrast, several myths say that the mountains were created in their current form by the gods.
- Sanitary practices protect health. The Law given to the nation of Israel included regulations for washing after touching a dead body, quarantining those with infectious disease, and disposing of human waste safely. (Leviticus 11:28; 13:1-5; Deuteronomy 23:13) By contrast, one of the Egyptian remedies in use when these commands were given called for applying to an open wound a mixture that included human excrement
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@SkepticalOne
Sure there is: Rape, incest, fetal death, fetal inviability, ectopic pregnancy, pregnancy causing threat to mother's life, and, last but not least, personal decision not to be/remain pregnant.
Is a false statement. All of those were refuted above. Please read the post before commenting. I dont feel like repeating myself even if you are lazy and think others should feed you with knowledge while you sit back and do nothing.
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@TWS1405_2
Not going to read your uneducated sophomoric cherry picking retorts
Is a false statement. You are obviously struggling with sin. You dont want to read the Bible. You dont want to hear the word of the Lord. I cant do much for you if you dont want to save yourself. You have become corrupt. There is no life in you. I will pray that God shows you the path.
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How would you call a person that identifies as "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" and says that demonic moaning is her pronoun?
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@TWS1405_2
if you cannot even write a grammatically correct sentence.
Is a false statement. You should really read what I write, and get the message.
Last but not least, abortion is good
Is a disgusting lie. You do not get to kill children or sacrifice them. There is nothing good about it. I suggest you go to church and pray. Maybe you can still be saved.
UNICEF has been tracking/monitoring issues/matters that concern girls and women for some time...For them, abortion is good and very necessary.
Is a blatant lie. It is horrible to say "if you are poor, you should kill your children" and "if you are a young mother, you should also kill your children". Do you admit that you support these satanic commands? If you do, you are doomed.
Pregnancy wreaks havoc on a female's body, regardless of her age, but more so upon the youthful.
Is a very stupid thing to say. Pregnancy creates life. Young mother doesnt get to kill her child. Young mothers who have children, need to care for those children and not kill them.
But then you go further and expose yourself completely:
"already littered with degenerates and indigent orphans and unwanted children worldwide (in excess of 90,000,000)!!!!!".
Littered? So now you hate orphans too. Your solution to help unwanted children and orphans is to kill all the unwanted children and orphans. Is insane. We do not kill children. It doesnt matter if they are orphans. They deserve to live.
NOT by OVERPOPULATING the world
Is not an excuse for murder. You do not get to kill people because the world is overpopulated. You do not get to kill your 5yo daughter and then say in the court: "there are too many people in this world anyway". We dont solve the overpopulation by killing people. Even if we did, why would we choose to kill children? I believe that in the proper society, the evil people such as abortionists would be killed along with other criminals and the population would be reduced. However, the overpopulation doesnt exist right now, since this Earth can support plenty more people. "The resources are running out" is a very ignorant thing to say, since the only essential resource is food and water, neither is running out. If they do start running out in the future, then society simply kills the abortionists and other criminals to reduce the population.
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being
Is a completely twisted sentence. God's law is the most important. If God's law says that seed is not to be spilled, then the seed is not to be spilled. If God says "thou shall not kill", then that is true and we will obey that.
If you choose human law over God's law, then you are the devil.
By God's law, abortion is murder.
personal liberty that she has and the pregnancy DOES NOT, is to restore herself to the place/status she was BEFORE the violating rape
Is a stupid sentence. Your liberty does not give you the right to kill your child. Your child has rights just like you have rights. "You were raped" does not equal to "You get to kill your children". The children need to be protected and cared for, not killed when you please.
Over 89-94% of ALL ABORTIONS take place BEFORE 14 weeks gestation
Is a very stupid thing to say. There is no age at which you are allowed to kill your child. It doesnt matter if the child is an unborn baby or a 5 year old. You do not get to kill your child. Child has the right to live. It does not magically gain or lose such right. The right to life exists, given to us by the God, throughout the entire life of an individual. The life starts from seed.
It is NOT a fucking child.
Is a false statement. The entire point of abortion is to kill the child so you dont have to care for it.
And to say a girl/woman who has been violently violated is "lucky to have in the first place" a pregnancy
Is a false statement. Every child is important and should be considered important and precious. Being pregnant means being lucky. You get to create and shape a new life given by the God. You do not have any right to kill a child or to take out your anger on a child. The child, being life, is protected by the God's command: "Thou shall not kill".
The legal definition of liberty
Is what confused you. God is your owner and you are to follow his commands. You have liberty that God gave you, which is the liberty to follow God's commands or reject them and burn in hell.
God's law is above human law. You should follow God's law if you want to be good. God's law is eternal.
A girl/woman, as with any boy/man, maintains sole custody/control over their own person/body.
Is an obvious lie. Your body belongs to God. After you are gifted with life, you cannot deny your child the life. Life does not belong to you, nor did you create it. Instead of enjoying the life God has given you, obeying God and multiplying, you choose satan and child sacrifice. In other words, you choose death. You choose to kill your child for your pleasure.
Yes, she does, Potentiality =/= Actuality. If the woman dies of ectopic pregnancy, both die regardless.
Is a false statement. As long as the child in the womb is alive, you are not allowed to kill it. It is protected by the God's law. It is alive. God created it.
You would be wrong about your claim "potentiality". The child in the womb is not potentially alive. It is actually alive. You do not get to kill the child because you feel endangered. We are not animals. You live for your child. You do not sacrifice your child. To make matters worse for you, first borns are dedicated to God and are most beloved by the God. So when you sacrifice your first born child to satan, can you imagine the curse that you place upon yourself with that act?
What a waste of the pregnant female's life who could logically and plausibly conceive again with a normal and healthy pregnancy, bringing another wonderful (actual) human being into the world. But according to your logic, fuck them both.
Is a false statement. You openly support the random murder of billions of unborn children, and billions more to come. You do not care if mother will die or not. Even if the mother is likely not to die, you would still approve of her if she chooses an abortion. Your sick atheistic world view exposed you as the little servant to the satan. Thats why you call orphans "litter". You cannot contain yourself from saying evil things, as the mouth speaks that which the heart is full of.
The child, as long as it is alive, has the right to life. You do not get to kill a child when you think there is a chance it will die. You do not get to kill a child when you think there is a chance child's mother will die. You do not get to destroy the actuality of life when you fear of death. The life, living and existing, is the most precious thing created and directed by the God. Each one of us may die at any moment. You may die due to your child. Your child might even become criminal or murderer. You do not get to kill your child based on such opinion.
So yeah, you're a fucking pedophile and it surprises me not that you're taking this IGNORANT position on abortion.
Is a false statement. I would encourage you to go to church and stop supporting the murder of unborn children. You are obviously a deeply disturbed individual, but with God's power you can be saved. Dont think that God has abandoned you.
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@TheUnderdog
I would respect it if the man who impregnated them also got this sentence
The man should be punished if he supported the abortion. However, if a woman says that she acted on her own will and that the man opposed to abortion, then there is no point in punishing the man.
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@TheUnderdog
Like the Bible says that premarital sex is adultury and therefore anyone who has had premarital sex is an adulterer that would burn in hell.
The Bible says: if a man lays with a woman, he is to marry her. So if they were not married before having sex, they need to marry after having sex.
You may not have had premarital sex, but 97% of people don’t wait until marraige. Would you ban premarital sex? I think it’s a mistake to have premarital sex, but banning it is too authoritarian.
I would not exactly ban premarital sex. I would just make it a law that if you have sex with a woman, you become married to her.
The moment a man lays with a woman, they are married.
Today, woman has sex with multiple men, therefore committing adultery.
The teens who are exposed to sexuality have greater lust and end up committing adultery by having multiple sexual partners.
The inevitable result of that is pregnancy.
If we obeyed the Bible, the pregnant teen would marry her partner and would stay married to him forever to raise the child they created, assuming she had only one partner. The marriage would be the best option.
But since we live in this society, the teen is encouraged to have an abortion since marriage is not popular anymore.
So the teen is exposed to sexuality and encouraged to create a child, only to later be encouraged to kill the same child in the womb. That is satanic and foolish.
According to the Bible, a woman cannot be married to multiple men. A woman and a man who have sex are considered married.
I would prevent adultery by imposing forced marriages onto people who have sex.
The consequence of having sex would be marriage.
Legally, abortion is not murder
Is true only if by law you mean the human law. God's law is such that even spilling the seed is a crime.
If abortion is murder, you would be executing 800,000 females a year for the crime of abortion
If the punishment for abortion was execution, we would not have as many abortions as we do now. Abortions would not be encouraged nor would anyone dare to say to a teen: "You have to get an abortion".
Plus, no one would dare to even publicly admit that they had an abortion, nor would anyone dare to support abortion publicly, nor would anyone dare to recommend abortions.
The abortion would become less safe, causing additional punishment for women who kill their children.
So yes, I support that abortion is to be punished. Whether the punishment should be execution or prison is a good question. An execution does serve better to set an example and it saves resources.
If you’re willing to adopt, it makes more sense to adopt a kid than to accept the kid you got from rape.
Killing your child to adopt another child is nonsense.
But if you create a human being as god did, god doesn’t own that human being.
God, being the creator of all life, has final say on all life.
If a parent creates a human being and that human being makes billions of dollars, the parents aren’t entitled to that.
The parents and the children are created by the God. The God has authority on them, has given life to them, and will judge them. The children dont belong to parents, but to God.
The God gets the final say, not humans.
If it was just an adult and his parents, in that case the adult should listen to his parents due to them being his creators. In that case, the adult would have the duty to obey his parents. However, it is not the case of just an adult and his parents. The God is the creator of them all. He created first humans and has created the conditions for the life of all humans. For that reason, all humans are to obey their creator the God.
The comparison would be: if someone saved your life, you would be grateful, no? You would be ready to reward the person who saved your life.
But the God created your life. So be even more grateful to God who is the only reason that you are alive right now.
If being created by God isnt enough, maybe being judged by God will be more convincing.
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Abortion is always wrong and should always be illegal and discouraged
1) Today's people think they are very smart and special
Somehow, people these days have convinced themselves that they are very smart, even smarter than God. Their stupidity shows itself. When they talk about abortion, it is like they lose their brains entirely. They say: "abortion is good". Is a false statement. They are deceived by the satan.
2) There is no justification for abortion
Abortion is murder. You have no right to kill your child. There is no situation in which it is justified for you to kill your child.
3) They start making up nonsense excuses.
The list of their nonsense excuses being:
3-1) "What if a woman is raped?"
No, you do not get to kill your child if you are raped. Being raped does not give you any special rights in this society. You do not get to kill anyone if you are raped. In fact, you should consider it enough that you arent forced to marry your rapist, and then you should move on with your life and raise your child which you are lucky to have in the first place.
3-2) "Woman's body belongs to woman"
That sentence makes no sense and is circular.
The woman, who only exists thanks to God, belongs to God. The God, the creator of life, is also the owner of life. So when a God asks you: "Why did you kill your child?", what will you say? You thought it was a good thing to do? You thought that, after being gifted with life, you can use your life to take away life from others? You support death and God will reward you with death.
3-3) "What if a woman's life is in danger"
No, you do not get to kill your child if your life is in danger. What kind of a mother sacrifices her child so that she may live? The real mothers sacrifice themselves for their children. This should really be taught more, because people keep forgetting it.
4) The modern society is a worshipper of satan
After you have sacrificed billions of children to Satan, you should not be surprised when God destroys your society and replaces it with those who are worthy, noble and good. Your society, that supports corruption, gets more and more corrupt every day. With that, every day it gets closer to its own collapse. God will replace your society with society fit for service to the God, the society that doesnt kill its children and society that doesnt spill its own seed. Your time of judgment comes closer and closer. Be not surprised by the God's wrath which you caused. Did you not say before: "Where is God's punishment?"?
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@zedvictor4
Exodus 12:29
What exactly confuses you about exodus 12:29?
Do you think that God arbitrarily kills people who are good or who will be good? And do you think that the result of God's actions is death, and not an increase in life?
And we are still programmed to multiply and populate.
Which is the opposite of:
But we invented contraception and enjoy alternative methodology.
So you invest in destroying your seed and destroying life, despite God's command being not to spill your seed.
Your society thinks of itself as smarter than God? When your society inevitably collapses and turns to greater evils, will you blame God for those evils or will you blame yourself for not following commands of God clearly given in the Bible?
And prove that you do not support both the destruction of life and the preservation of life.
Lets see: "Thou shall not kill" and "fill the Earth with human life". Which one of these commands tells us to destroy human life?
The Bible is telling us to save life and increase it. Thus, the followers of the Bible have historically worked to save life by banning and discouraging abortions and contraceptives.
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@Castin
It supports life if God wills it, and death if God wills it.
Is a false statement. Bible supports life, not death.
It supports the protection of babies if God wills it, and the slaughter of babies if God wills it.
Is a false statement. Bible's command to humans is to protect life and increase it. God destroys evil to create good. God destroys life only when such action creates more life.
sometimes God's will is moral by modern standards, and sometimes it is immoral by modern standards.
Is an obvious lie. Modern standards of morality dont exist. Different societies have different moral standards. All societies were built on morality and only exist because they followed the morality of the Bible to some extent. Morality of the Bible, being perfect, creates perfect society. Deviations from the morality of the Bible create death and the diminishing of life. Thats why "thou shall not kill" exists in the law of USA, Germany, China, Russia, England, France...ect. It is because that is the most perfect law given to us by the God of the Bible. The more the country applies such law, the better the country becomes. Bible's standards of morality were historically proven to be the best. The standards of "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall multiply and populate the Earth" are the best standards of morality in the entire history of humanity. Humans that reject those standards, irrelevant if due to atheist delusion or a mental disorder or an intellectual deficit, have no morality of life. They have the morality of death. Such morality causes them to perish in this world and the next. Only the morality of life is the perfect morality. It is up to people to accept it. If you reject the life, you accept death. Anyone not supporting life supports death and shall be rewarded accordingly in this life and the next.
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Biden keeps saying things that make no sense, some creepy things too. What is strange is that he says things out of nowhere, completely uncalled for, unprovoked.
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@zedvictor4
And the bible is rife with killing
But who does the Bible kill? The evil people. Those who, if left alive, would greatly destroy the amount of life around them.
If a man kills 10 people, and is about to kill 20 more people, killing him would save those 20 lives.
The morality of the Bible is such that it seeks to increase the amount of life, and remove the killers of life from society.
It has the strict command: Thou shall not kill. It has the strict command: populate the Earth with human life. These commands are what makes its morality. Its morality is the best for humans and for human society, and for the survival.
multiplying and populating is how we are programmed
It would be a mistake to rely on your programming alone. Actually, some people choose not to have children. Hence, they must be motivated to have children.
The capitalist society rewards those who choose to have no children. It rewards them with extra money and extra free time. This sick society in which the reproduction is punished has the backward thinking, which it calls modern thinking.
And we make up very selective and contradictory morals with regard to life.
The Bible already has the answer: tree that gives good fruit and tree that gives bad fruit. If we see that our actions diminish the amount of life as a result, the choice to continue with those actions would be against God's word.
While some disagreement is inevitable, having proper morals is better than not having them.
We both, support and destroy life.
This is your equalization of the opposites: those who find life to be most important, and those who dont. There cannot be an equalization between those two. One fights for life. The other for death.
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@zedvictor4
Well as I see it, life and death is never a choice.
So when people choose to abort their children, is that not the choice?
When people choose to kill others, is that not the choice?
When people choose to let others die or starve, is that not the choice?
Every human has a choice. You can support life or you can destroy life.
The morality of life: thou shall not kill, multiply and populate the Earth, is the perfect moral system for humans.
Accept it, or dont. It is up to you.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
So your bibles gone a little infanticidel
Is a false statement. You should really read the Bible. It doesnt do you good to deny the word of the creator.
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@Castin
The Bible can be pretty infanticidal
Is a complete lie. If you read the Bible, you would know that it supports life, not death.
The command "thou shall not kill" and the command to multiply the human life on Earth tells us to increase human life, not decrease it.
Which one of these commands is infanticidal?
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@zedvictor4
Morality is subjective
Subjective, objective... matters not.
What you choose is what makes a difference. What everyone chooses is what makes a difference.
You either support the morality of life, either you dont.
You either want life, either you want death.
A simple choice, really.
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@hey-yo
If you are against abortion, would it not be better for a person to agree with you on that topic than to go against?
They will agree after being presented with the morality of life, or they will remain in delusion irrelevant of what I tell them, which will expose their delusions to others and make others more supportive of the morality of life. In either case, I benefit.
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@hey-yo
seems to polarize the abortion debate for those who are unaware that they themselves (whom may be athiest) could be on either side regardless of personal belief.
Good. It would be good if atheists, after reading my comments, started saying how they support abortions. It would make my work on them easier, by simply proving the Christian morals to be superior to whatever they come up with. After that, they would be forced to forever abandon the abortionist world view, possibly together with their atheism.
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@hey-yo
That does not mean athiesm is corrupt, but it is independent of abortion
Is a blatant lie. The abortion is not independent from atheism. Abortion is a product of atheism. When we fight abortion, we fight atheism. There are some atheists who oppose to abortion and plenty more who love it. Those atheists who oppose to abortions are usually on the correct path regarding abortions, but they may fail at other paths unless they follow the Bible's morality.
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@Tradesecret
People can read the book and use it for instruction - but that doesn't make them Christians.
Atheists rarely read the Bible to learn from it. There are exceptions, of course, but they are in small number. Atheists will usually, when they do read, read the Bible to find what they dislike in it and use it as a criticism for Christianity.
Also Christians can often not read the bible and still remain Christians.
I have a problem with Christians who never read the Bible or listened to its word. I can understand the poor who cannot afford the Bible and dont live near the church, but I cannot understand the Christians who can afford to but still dont read the Bible at all.
In my view, Bible is the foundation for morality and knowledge. While the Bible does not contain all the knowledge in the world, it tells us the best morality, best principles of economy, best principles of social life, best way of scientific research, best governing principles, even the best military principles were described in the Bible. Even the hermit way of life and survival was described in the Bible. Even the basics of agriculture were described in the Bible. Even the managing of diseases and isolation of the sick were described in the Bible.
Bible is rich with knowledge on so many topics, reading it is definitely worthy. Some Christians probably find it difficult to read 2000 pages, but my main objection to them would be that if they are ready to read thousands of pages of texts and articles on the internet every month, what is the problem with reading the Bible that in most cases takes 2-3 months to be read if they read 30 pages every day.
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@Tradesecret
Of course, sharing with people, enabling people to have enough, cooperating are good things.
Sharing is mandatory in the Bible. In fact, if any individual is to be hungry, sick, naked, thirsty, homeless or even alone, it is the duty of others to help him. Not doing so carries punishment from God.
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@b9_ntt
Next time, please read the Bible.
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@b9_ntt
If you simply read the Bible, you would have learned that Jesus was the son of God.
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@b9_ntt
Not an inconsistency. It is explained in the Bible.
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@hey-yo
There are many athiests against abortion
Is irrelevant. There are many atheists in favor of abortion. This proves atheism to be corrupt, even if some atheists are less corrupt than others.
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@b9_ntt
Yes, every word literally, with additional meanings of words when those are explained by the Bible itself and not by some juicy imagination of a reader.
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I do, yes. Is it different to the hard copy?
That depends. Are you more willing to read a book or listen to it being read by someone else?
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@TWS1405_2
Fiction sure is fun in your world of idiocracy.
Is a false statement. This is a consequence of parents not telling their children how they were made.
You began when your dad came inside your mom, when they had sex. Before that you were in the balls. Simple story, really.
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The Bible. Do you know what is an audiobook?
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@TWS1405_2
I’ve proven conclusively that a pregnancy ≠ [a] person.
Is a false statement. You should really stop lying so much. It doesnt do you any good. I would recommend you to google why pregnancy is needed for persons to exist, for life to exist...ect.
I dont see how can you possibly not have this basic knowledge, unless you are a young kid. I dont see why would an adult even have the need to make up those blatant lies, unless being a morally questionable woman or an employee of planned parenthood.
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It’s 12% of the population, but less of the adult population
Poor adult or poor kid, still counts as poor.
When you’re a big country like America, you tend to have more average results because you have a bigger sample size than if you’re from a small country.
False, but if what you are saying was true, your comparison to Europe would be invalid since Europe has 3x population that the US has. Plus, it would make no sense how China, then, has same rate as USA when China has much bigger sample size.
If you REALLY believe this, then the government should force you and all communists to adopt a poor child
Is a false statement. Communists should not be alone in the work. The rich must help too. The government should force everyone to help the poor. That is much better than letting the poor starve.
The rich buy expensive houses because they are assets that appreciate with time, but cars and watches don’t.
Expensive houses? They should satisfy themselves with an ordinary house. Or is that too hard?
If the government believed human life was worth infinite dollars, it would be morally justified to force every household to adopt as many starving children as they could afford if it saves just one life.
Is a correct statement. You would let children die. That makes you morally unjustified. You think that letting children die is good. It agrees with your corrupt capitalist viewpoint where profit is more important than someone's life.
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@TWS1405_2
That’s not a rebuttal argument. It’s childish. Try again.
Is a false statement. I dont see how you can possibly not know what pregnancy is. You didnt have any arguments. There was nothing for me to refute.
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@TheUnderdog
There are exceptions, but they are more rare in America than Europe or Latin America.
Is irrelevant. Having 12% of population on food stamps proves that not everyone is capable of buying enough food. Otherwise, you wouldnt need food stamps. This just confirms that USA is relying on redistribution of wealth in order to function. So when you are using USA as a positive example, you are arguing in favor of the redistribution of wealth.
Those nations are outliers. Europe’s homeless rate is significantly higher than America’s.
Is a false statement. You do not get to pick which part of the world not to compare to USA.
USA is one country. Europe is not one country.
I have already listed you countries in Europe that do significantly better than USA in housing. This proves that USA is not the best country in terms of housing, nowhere near that actually.
If a person genuinely can’t get a job, they should get taken care of by consenting entities.
Is a false statement. The consent of the rich is not needed in the case of someone's life, since someone's life is more valuable than someone's consent over the wealth. Thus, the government does not ask the rich "will you help the poor?" when the respect for such consent would mean death for the poor.
The government is not a consenting organization because it was funded through theft.
A necessary theft.
There are SOME rich people that spend tens of millions of dollars on expensive cars and watches. They probably make up the minority of the top 1%.
Is a false statement. Not minority, but great majority of the top 1% are living a luxury life, buying expensive things built specifically for the wealthy.
this doesn’t make it okay because as many financial transactions ought to require mutual consent as possible and a tax on work shouldn’t exist.
So you would have a person die in order to respect the consent over financial transaction, when the disregard for such consent would save lives? In other words, you value money over life. It is exactly that which makes capitalism impossible, and why USA is doing the wealth redistribution and has already redistributed plenty of wealth in the past 80 years.
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And you are dumb enough to believe that Christians do not use contraception.
Logically impossible to use a contraception and still be a Christian. Atheists are the ones who use contraception as well as perform millions of abortions yearly. Atheists have killed lots of children because atheists have no morality.
And there are probably just as many church going Christians, bible bashing pastors and priests that actually have murdered their own children after they have been born.
Is a false statement. I am not familiar with 1 billion children being killed by Christians. Actually, Christians are usually the ones trying to stop the atheists from killing children. Atheists, who have killed over 1 billion children, have no right to say if God of the Bible is justified. Most atheists, being the creators of death, are not capable of even understanding the Bible. Some atheists are smarter and steal moral system from the Bible, since they know it is logically the best system.
Yes I read it. I wouldn't have been able to quote it to you otherwise, thicko.
Is a false statement. You didnt quote the explanation for the punishment. Thats why I say that you need to read the Bible and not take random quotes that you found on atheist sites.
Here, I will help you.
Go to internet and type: "Bible audiobook".
Then, after you listen to God's word in its entire size, you might just be blessed with understanding of it.
Of course, normally I would recommend buying the Bible and reading it, but since you are unwilling to read you might be willing to listen to it instead.
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@Double_R
No, you do not get to kill people. Life is the most important thing on Earth.
I hope you learn that one day, my friend.
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Well I wouldn't kill my children simply because they disagreed with me, for a start.
Is a false statement. The atheists are famous for killing children for dumbest reasons possible. Its called an abortion. Your people have created an entire industry from killing children on a mass scale.
Also, hold on a second. "do not kill" is a moral system of the Bible. You do not get to copy the Bible, unless you admit the perfection of the Bible. Invent your own moral system, or admit the perfection of the Bible.
And what was the first thing Moses did when he came down from the top of the fkn mountain , you clown. He had thousands of his own people murdered and their heads stuck on spikes, and you talk about fkn morals.
Is a very misleading statement. Have you read why he did it? No? They violated an agreement with God. God knew that they would turn to even more evil unless stopped. Is there something you dont understand about the punishment for evil, or do you assume that evil shouldnt be punished?
I don't need a book to tell me what is wright and wrong.
Is a blatant lie. We are still waiting for you to present us your original moral system. Remember, no stealing from the Bible! Bible belongs to Christians who admit its perfection, and not to atheists who call the Bible outdated but at the same time are forced to steal from the Bible as they cannot invent a better moral system.
While I can admit there are some "morals" that have allegedly been handed down from scripture that I can appreciate.
You dare to say "some morals"? Okay, go ahead and present us your moral system without using the morality of the Bible. Then we will see if its "some morals" or "all proper morals" that have been handed down to us by the God. Its funny to think that an atheist can compete with God's wisdom or outmatch it.
Moral system of the Holy Bible is the most perfect moral system. The atheists and muslims, who both think the Bible is invalid, had to copy the Bible's "Thou shall not kill" and "an increase of life" moral systems because they couldnt invent anything better than that which Bible has offered in its perfection.
Next time you are obviously stealing from the Bible, please give credit by saying "I took this from the Bible and used it as my own". After all, the Holy Bible deserves credit for providing you with proper knowledge.
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Theist do not have the monopoly on morals, as much as you like to believe that they have.
You would let Hitler live. What kind of morals do you think you have? You have none. At best, you could copy the Bible's morality, which would be embarassing since then you would openly admit the superiority of the Bible's thought compared to your thought.
Bible has the perfect morality. The atheists cannot invent a better morality since there is no better morality. The morality of the Bible is invented by God. No one in this world can outmatch it.
Our God defined the entire morality in one sentence: Thou shall not kill.
My little atheist buddy, can you even compete?
Can you invent a better morality, or at least an equally good one? You cannot. It will be funny to see you try tho.
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@TheUnderdog
No such thing as too rich.
Sure there is. If you want to buy an expensive car while someone is hungry, or in need of help...ect.
Food is cheap enough to where virtually every adult can buy their own food.
Except those 40 million people on food stamps. Usually, countries that reject Socialism are, to no surprise, forced to implement Socialist policies to save their economy.
Medicine can be expensive, but the solution is to buy it from Mark Cuban because he sells common drugs cheaply to uninsured people.
What if a person has no money to buy it?
America has one of the lowest rates of homelessness in the western world
Actually, USA ranks up same as China. Even Vietnam has lower rate of homelessness than the USA. Also countries like Norway, Finland and Switzerland have far lower rate of homelessness.
If you make essentials free, people don’t have the incentive to work
Socialism is not about making essentials free for everyone. It is about helping those in need. If we know that a person cant get a job and cant work, we are not supposed to let that person starve or be reduced to begging on the street. We are to help that person by providing essentials and finding a job opportunity for that person. So the person would still have to work if the job opportunity shows.
The rich rarely buy luxury items
There is an entire market of luxury items, expensive cars, watches...ect. So yes, they are buying it.
But when you force strangers to subsidize the charity you want to see done, it’s theft.
You can call it theft. However, it saves lives of poor people. So its a beneficial theft.
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@TheUnderdog
Socialism is mainly about preventing the rich from becoming too rich, and at the same time helping the poor so they dont starve or die due to lack of medication, and that they have a home.
So yes, if a rich guy is interested in buying a too expensive car, he should be prevented from doing so. I support banning luxury items.
At the same time, if a poor person is starving, that poor person should be helped. Same if he is sick, in need of a job or in need of a shelter.
Hence, why homeless shelters are to be built, why poor people should get more job opportunities, and medical services when in need.
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What an absolutely disgusting thing to say.
Atheists are now disgusted by the truth. That is not a surprise, as they have no morality.
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If this is the best the atheists here have to offer, we might as well close this contest. There is no challenge here, as atheists are failing to present their case beyond desperately misquoting the Bible.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
now you step in the proverbial poo by saying that the Qur'an was copied word for word
Is a false claim. You want to live in those delusions of yours, so be it. The same reading skills brought you to conclusion that abortion is okay, despite God's command being to increase life and despite God forbidding the killing. You intentionally skip the God's word, which just makes you further from the truth. As such, you have sealed your fate. Nothing I can do to help you.
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@Stephen
"What about the Quran."
The Quran is not original and it is not scientifically confirmed. The Holy Bible is.
You will not find any useful knowledge in the Quran that is not much better explained in the Bible.
Quran doesnt even have proper order of events in it. No one knows what is the proper order of verses in Quran since it talks randomly about random events it copied from the Bible in a greatly shortened version of those events.
Muslim's moral system is basically copied from the Bible word for word.
Muslims copied the Bible and then called the Bible invalid. That is their stupidity at its finest.
Further, muslims claim that Quran has the most complete knowledge. However, Quran, copying the Bible, couldnt copy it entirely since Mohammad didnt know the entire Bible.
Thats why when you read the Quran, it sounds more like random rambling of a drunk man than an actual word of God.
It has no knowledge other than what it stole from the Bible. Mohammad created the pirate version of the Bible based on what he learned about Christianity in his youth, and called it Quran.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Your words would be misunderstood by atheists, who are already in great delusion since they dont have morality.
You say: "our brutal serial killer Jesus as God, that has infants and babies thrown against rocks, or dashed to pieces, or better yet, having pregnant woman ripped open in a bloody abortion situation where said women went against his doctrine".
What atheists need to understand is that those babies would grow up to be horrible people. Hitler was once a baby too. A very bad and evil baby. The morality based on life needs to cut down death and cut down evil people that produce death, so that life may increase and good people may live.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
WHAT TYPE OF CHRISTIAN ARE YOU ?
The Christian who treats the Holy Bible as the foundation for knowledge and morality. From my point of view, Bible is to be understood literally and is to be studied with greatest respect and dedication.
Bible, being the only valid word of God known to humans, is to be regarded as a basis for science and scientific research, basis for law and a guide for life.
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