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@Savant
The actions commited are same irrelevant of what you call them. It doesnt change the argument related to non-abortion crimes.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There were more threads than just that, that isn't even one of the long ones
Yeah, there were many debates about it, I cant find all, but ultimately, it all lead to nowhere.
There were many other cases of police brutality that actually were proven beyond reasonable doubt, and sentenced too.
I dont know why both sides focus on the one example that favors neither side. Is it just challenge?
I guess other cases may not have anything to discuss about due to being too obvious and undeniable.
But it seems strange to me that actual examples of police brutality are ignored and put to side.
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@Barney
I have already copied most of material from my debates and posts since last time site went down.
I am just worried because this site doesnt have good replacement. Will be shame if it shuts down.
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@Greyparrot
Her body her choice. If she doesn't want the evolutionary hormones that compel her to be a baby factory, she can choose to remove that trigger.
Sounds to me you are the one choosing for her, since you want to dictate what choices she has.
Guess you dont believe woman owns her body and you want to make lives of born people worse.
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@Greyparrot
The only thing they can choose is to have a hysterectomy
So you would force women have surgery to never be able to get pregnant again, to have sex?
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@Greyparrot
Women can't choose to not have sex
They can, but its unhealthy and painful. Do you think women exist to give birth and make sandwiches?
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@Greyparrot
Can I attach myself to you, steal your food and endanger your life while you carry me around?
Forcing women to get abortions
I am rather certain that its woman's choice in most cases, but you dont believe women can choose.
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@Greyparrot
According to Margaret Sanger, some unborn are worth far more than other unborn
The goal is to create quality life for born people. Also, women arent your baby factories. Women are persons.
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@Greyparrot
Margaret Sanger and Pol Pot would be so proud
Unborn arent equal to born people. Whats next? Masturbation is murder? Sperm is person? Contraception should be illegal?
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@FLRW
I swear, you and me are the smartest people on this site. Our weapon is science and painful facts!
One such fact is that abortion rates also reduced after abortion was legalized. So whats point of ban?
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@Greyparrot
Google it.
Its your argument. I showed you the study. Homicide rates, property crimes reduced by 40%. Now is your turn.
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@Greyparrot
Contrary to your troll belief, the criminal actions reduced in study werent simply legalized. Actions were reduced, not renamed.
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On each error, it says site is not returning connection.
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I had this problem before too, but it was few errors here and there. Now its everywhere.
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@Savant
It does because if you don't call them crimes, no crimes are committed.
The actions commited are same irrelevant if you call them crimes or not. It just changes label, not action.
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I keep getting error message no matter where I click on this site.
I need to click 5 times on forum and after 5 error messages I get into forum.
Is this because I am using smartphone?
Is this site no longer good on smartphones?
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@Greyparrot
Yes, this is how we won the Vietnam war
You cant win any war if you refuse to fight it. Now, Ukraine fights instead of US military.
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@Savant
I concede that making abortion legal would reduce crime rates, but have you considered making all crimes legal?
The link I found talks of non-abortion crimes reduced. It doesnt matter if label "crime" is there or not.
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@Greyparrot
while allowing Putin to take and hold a significant chunk of the old USSR
So we should send many weapons to Ukraine so Ukraine takes some of Russia like it did recently?
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@cristo71
Good save!
Thanks. I practice.
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@cristo71
Less lead? You claimed he would be decidedly trailing
Less lead actually means a loss in US elections, because electoral votes favor republicans for some reason, not democrats.
For example, Hillary won 2% more votes than Trump, but lost elections anyway. So lead doesnt mean victory.
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@cristo71
Can you quote from the link the part which supports your assertion “Bernie would stand no chance against Trump.”?
Kamala has 3% lead in most polls. Due to being old and socialist, Bernie would have less lead.
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@cristo71
which is precisely why Harris can beat him.
Harris can. Thats why Russia wanted Bernie instead to be democratic candidate. Thats what your link says, anyway.
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@cristo71
Russia was interfering in the Democratic primary in an effort to support the nomination of Senator Bernie Sanders.
Thats a smart move by Russia. Bernie would stand no chance against Trump. It would be basically controlled opposition.
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@Moozer325
There was plenty of discussion on this topic for me to learn that you are not getting anywhere.
As long as one side of debate has excuse like drugs to blame it for death, its pointless.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When are the MAGA MORONS going to be done with this guy?
The better question would be who will come after Trump to lead republicans? He has no replacement or equal.
The guy gets all attention, most are focused on either supporting or opposing him, other republican candidates dont exist.
Democrats easily replaced Biden with better candidate once it became obvious Biden would lose any debate against Trump.
But there is no replacement for Trump since no republican candidate is even near his skills or personality.
Trump pretty much proved that you can dominate and gish gallop your way to being president, being popular.
Trump can gish gallop for hours. Its impossible for anyone to outmatch him in debates lasting few hours.
He has very much set a standard which all future republicans will have to follow to succeed in politics.
But other people arent capable to gish gallop like Trump, which makes me think Republicans dont have replacement.
To be clear, gish gallop is almost mandatory for public entertainment. Public wants fun and sense of plenty.
Public doesnt want politicians pointlessly talking of same over and over. They want to hear something new, exciting.
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@jglover200
While we cannot control who we are attracted to
Well, thats the whole point. You do understand that pedophilia is an attraction? I am not sure what confuses you.
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@Greyparrot
I will watch Wish. I have to see to know. Star Wars 9 was great. 8 was worse.
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@Swagnarok
This may be true of legal immigrants
It is true for undocumented migrants. Trump wants to reduce number of legal migrants as well, so harmful.
True, but VP Harris wants
Trump wants to lower taxes. He already increased budget deficit and debt doing exactly that in 2019, 2020.
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@Swagnarok
So does killing anyone from a poor socioeconomic
Unborn arent equal to born people. Killing poor people would cause even more violence and wouldnt increase liberty.
kill anyone who happened to have been born into American poverty
That wouldnt increase the quality of life for anyone. In fact, it would lower the comfort in society for most.
I guess if you killed all the poor people, there would be less inequality
Quite the opposite. That would be unequal treatment of people who are same in value to all other people.
Maybe you want to imply "unborn = poor", but fetus feeds upon woman's body and causes her more pain.
To raise a child costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is a waste if child will have horrible life.
The goal is to produce people who will have high quality life, which is better than low quality life.
Anyone who wants to bring more people who will suffer into existence doesnt know about priorities in life.
You cant rape a woman to produce more humans. Fetus cannot non-consensually use woman's body to produce more life.
It is better to live 100 years as free and happy than 10000 years burning alive in fire.
This proves that all life isnt equal. One quality life is better than 100 lives lived in pain.
Fetuses have low survival rate, and unwanted fetuses are much more likely to be abused and be criminals.
But even if abortion was morally wrong, banning abortion doesnt stop most abortions, making it pointless and harmful.
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Police represent the law. Everything that law does is legal by tautology. Police brutality doesnt exist and cannot exist.
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What makes a woman have the right to her body?
Who else has the right to her body? Please, tell me so I know. This question is very important.
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@Mall
Has police brutality ever existed?
Yes.
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If I needed to think 3 reasons why Kamala needs to win, these would be the three reasons for:
1. Abortion
Abortion reduces crime rates, improves quality of life, reduces prison population, increases equality, increases liberty, increases body rights.
2. Migrants
Migrants have lower crime rate than general population. Migrants reduce crime rate, increase workforce, help low birth rates.
3. Reducing debt
Reducing debt is crucial to save economy and reduce inflation, and to reduce poverty, and solve trade deficit.
The argument is very simple. Kamala would support abortion, increase number of migrants and reduce debt compared to Trump.
Debt, crime, workforce, liberty, equality, body rights, inflation, poverty, life quality - these are most important values for people.
Kamala wins on all these values through the 3 arguments presented. So by logic, Kamala should be next president.
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@Greyparrot
Evil population elects, produces and supports evil leaders. There is nothing to be surprised about in basic equation.
It is expected to happen. The unexpected would be if evil and stupid population elected a good and smart leader.
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@FLRW
I would never become president. Good population doesnt need president. Bad population cannot be saved by any president.
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@Greyparrot
rich looked down from their feast at the common folk who thought they could somehow...win the game...
They can dream of victory. Common folk cant win the game. The same game was played for thousands of years.
Its like some parody. All what they achieved was they replaced one bad government with another bad government.
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True change can only come from people. If people were good, capable and willing, they wouldnt need politicians.
But people are retarded and need politicians to save them from themselves. Politicians profit from that. People dont.
Any social problem can be solved by masses of people, without government. But people are evil or retarded.
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@Greyparrot
People now are more educated, yet completely clueless. Politicans say they will help, but it keeps getting worse.
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@FLRW
Plus, how are we supposed to prove in debate that Melania made porn without posting sources to it?
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@Greyparrot
@FLRW
Omg Gp is offended by nude photos of Melania. It doesnt actually break the rules since Melania is the topic.
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@FLRW
Trump was showing signs of onset dementia
He is 80, overweight, lives unhealthy life. On the other hand, he cant be a bigger liar, even with dementia.
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@Double_R
Again, inflation was caused by the aftermath of COVID, and it's over now. That's a fact. So to the extent you are arguing anything meaningful, it's that people are too stupid to understand how it works.
MAGA people dont understand economy. They think Trump's money printing, job losses and increased deaths dont affect inflation.
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Its usually not good to talk about your past. It is better to talk about your opponent's past.
In politics just like in debating, reframing is what makes people believe what you say. Like painting a picture.
If opponent says his action caused good for people, you say why his action caused bad to people.
Its not an honest debating strategy seeking truth, but it captures people's minds when combined with Trump's Gish Gallop.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That is not an argument against life, those things are only negative because they are part of a motivator system designed to keep you alive and kicking.
Pain does not stop being bad if there is a reason why pain exists. Burning in fire is bad.
If health was not good then pain wouldn't be needed. If achieving values was not good, then disappointment would not be needed
Pain being needed for health or achieving values still doesnt change that pain is bad and most undesirable.
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I swear I didnt tell AI to write a story about Anya. AI did it alone on its own.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Is the pain of others something that can exist if other's had no life?
No, but thanks for making another argument against life. Life means pain, dying and disappointment. More for some.
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@FLRW
Shila is Anya from Spy x family anime.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
there can be no such thing as "good more fundamental than life".
Plenty of things are more important than life. Living by causing pain to others is worse than death.
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