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@WyIted
Wait, WyIted chose to join the mafia? That's insane, but I respect it.
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@Vader
Also Wylted said he was only a 2x tracker, so he couldn't have acted last night
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@Vader
What is there to think about? Do you really think Luna made a character that wins no matter what?
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@WyIted
I expected you would have conceded by now, and I respect you for not doing so. But this is the end
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@ILikePie5
Look, if we kill Wylted and he's town, Bullish will waive the NK and say he RB'd me and then it's gonna be a whole Thing. It's the only way he can win as scum at this point. I don't think you'll buy it, but I also don’t want to drag this game out. If Vader votes for Bullish, will you do the same? If he's town, we just vote Wylted afterwards. What arguments could he possibly use to defend himself?
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@ILikePie5
Have to get back to work, but briefly, I'm fine with either order but I feel like it's just Bullish. Waiting for Vader to show up and share his thoughts but I just want to win this game today.
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@Bullish
casey the more you talk the more you make no sense. Why would scum RB and kill austin when there's a doctor on the loose.
I mean, we were both confirmed after NP1, scum were screwed either way.
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@ILikePie5
Roleblocker doesn’t make much sense from a setup perspective. Tracker does though. And it makes sense if the 3rd scum is relatively powerful, and a RB or Vote Thief fits that MO.
Agreed. I think the last scum likely RB'd and killed Austin last night. It would explain why no one got an item.
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@WyIted
I guess I can put it now. It's 2x. I got gifted the chair actually as you can confirm by reading me and Austin's exchange last DP. I didn't use it because he told everyone the chair was commuter and I thought it was more important I tracked somebody who claimed they died if they hid behind scum and was also in the POE.
I'm definitely willing to believe this. I was swayed somewhat by Pie's argument in #69, but now I'm back to thinking it has to be Bullish.
Also, saying you'll roleblock the only claimed protective role who is mechanically confirmed is so scummy. Let's just lynch Bullish and win.
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@WyIted
Hold on. WTF why is Casey town?
How else do you explain the lack of an NK during NP1?
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@ILikePie5
Game is solved either way. Who do you wanna lynch first
Bullish. I have problems with his claimed night actions, plus Wylted is the only claimed investigative role.
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@Bullish
I'm roleblocker, justification is Gacy baited his victims into handcuffing themselves. I waived NP1, RB'd vader last night. Vader is triple confirmed.
My question for you is, if you were planning on insta-voting That2 anyway, why not RB her during NP1? Also, why choose Vader last night?
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@Vader
I also can't remember the last time I played in a game where Bullish was mafia so if someone has a link to that perfect
Bullish was mafia in Debate Mafia
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BTW, has anyone else noticed that no one has claimed to have received an invention from Austin last night?
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@Vader
Yeah I think this game is over for the most part. If Pie is somehow a 3p or something then GG. Scum is deffo between Wylted or Bullish with me leaning a bit more towards Bullish
My thoughts as well. In fact, I think Wylted is cleared just on the basis of him being the only investigative role. It pretty much has to be Bullish imo.
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@ILikePie5
what is your justification?
Harold Shipman was literally a doctor, and though he killed some of his patients, he still did his actual job the majority of the time. So, on odd nights I save people as a doctor, while on even nights I decide to be evil and let people die.
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@ILikePie5
I honestly townread everyone alive: Wylted, Bullish, Supa, Casey.Super annoying
I feel the same way tbh.
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@ILikePie5
Why not stick with the Weak Hider claim though. Sure it was sus, but changing your character and even that to a non-SK is just atrocious
I honestly don't know. I think That2 realized that no one else really seemed to be buying that claim and decided to take a risk. Again, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. Sometimes people just make bad decisions in this game.
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@WyIted
Why did the CC happen that way? It almost feels staged.
Based on timestamps, I think That2 typed up her message at the same time I was typing mine and therefore didn't see mine until she hit send. Just some very unfortunate happenstance for the scum team. It's the only explanation that makes sense to me.
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@WyIted
Is it possible to wear don't have scum left but maybe a 3rd party SK who targeted whiteflame the same day as that2?
No joke, I actually considered this possibility myself. The balance in this game feels wonky either way, but I think it's just 7v3.
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@ILikePie5
No one, because I'm the Odd-Night Doctor. I'm genuinely surprised I'm still alive right now. I thought I'd be dead for sure after yesterday. But maybe scum thought I would have protected myself and therefore chose to target Austin instead.
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@ILikePie5
It’s 5-1, so we have 2 lynches still
We only have room for one mislynch. If we mislynch today, that puts us at MYLO. But it's pretty clearly between Wylted and Bullish at this point so it doesn't really matter.
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@Bullish
I definitely was NOT expecting there to be three mafia players in this game, nor was I expecting this thread to be up so soon. Pretty sure the theme split is cannibals vs killers who aren't cannibals.
Anyway, I think this game is solved. I'm obviously town, Vader is obviously town, and Pie pretty much has to be town. That leaves just Wylted and Bullish. We can lynch them in either order and win. I want Bullish's claim right now.
VTL Bullish
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I've actually never seen The Sopranos at all. Maybe I should drop out, lol.
I actually specifically avoided including any major spoilers in role PMs when I made Ace Attorney Mafia, thinking that would be common practice, but I guess that's not necessarily true.
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I have to get back to work, but for now I'll just say in my defense that my character more clearly fits the typical definition of a serial killer and has a much more straightforward justification. If somehow we are both town, then fuck you, Luna for being a bastard mod.
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Also, Kaczynski was a terrorist but he wasn't really a serial killer imo
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What do we think the chances are that That2 tried to quickly claim doctor but ended up posting at basically the same time as me and got stuck?
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Really not sure why you would do that, but okay.
VTL That2
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I'm Harold Shipman, aka "Doctor Death" and I am the Doctor. Last night, I protected WF.
I think we should all mass claim now, considering the huge advantage the town has right now.
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@Lunatic
I don't think I ever unvoted That2. That being said, I really don't think we're going to get enough votes on her before the deadline, so I'll change my vote to Savant.
Unvote VTL Savant
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@Savant
I don't remember, I'm talking about this game.
I bring it up for a very particular reason
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@Savant
How did Wylted claim his character in the last game?
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@ILikePie5
You going after Wylted here also does not make any sense to me because he hasn’t had a chance to claim either
He hasn't claimed his role yet, but he has definitely claimed his character.
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@Savant
Only if scum has redirector.
No, you misunderstand what I'm saying. A Hider can try to bait the NK knowing that they'll be hiding somewhere else, causing the NK to fail, but now that won't work, because the mafia aren't going to directly try and kill That2.
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Actually, Pie is right, we really don't have much time to discuss this. The day is going to end before very long and we need to coalesce around a lynch. I'd be okay with lynching Savant or That2, who feel like the only realistic options to me right now. If they're town and we're wrong, at least with Savant we're only losing a messenger, not a huge deal. The utility of That2's role (potentially baiting the NK and causing it to fail) has also been more or less ruined by them claiming.
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@That2User
Alright then. Interesting claim. One thing that bugs me a bit about it, however, is that Gary Ridgway himself wasn't hiding from anyone (at least, not any more so than any of the rest of us), but rather he was hiding other people from being found. That's what stands out to me the most. Does anyone else have a role that doesn't directly relate to what your character actually did themself?
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@That2User
I am the town hider, I hid my victims in forests and hid my crimes ~20 years before being linked to them with dna evidence. I insta die if I hide behind mafia.
Do you die if the player you hide behind dies?
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@AustinL0926
This game is frustrating for me, because I can see a reason to townread literally every single player right now. Most of them for reasons I already mentioned, but Whiteflame, who was in my PoE pool before, is now one of my strongest townreads for the way he revealed his character like that, at great risk of possibly being CC'ed. Savant's claim definitely sticks out, but behaviorally speaking he feels completely fine to me, a little bit towny, even. And Austin is really hard for me to buy as scum simply because his role is so easily confirmable and heavily leans town with the way he described it.
One thing that's unclear to me, however: Austin, do you choose to give your item during the night or during the day?
Anyway, I no longer am particularly sus of anyone in my previous pool. Considering all the character claims and softclaims that have been made up to this point, I just can't give much credit to an early soft anymore. With that in mind, That2 stands out as my new least towny read. Her character seems to be the least well-known out of everyone so far except for Savant, and nothing about her behavior in particular strikes me as towny. I also get the urge to downshift Bullish in my rankings, though he might just be lazytown. And I really want Pie to claim just so we all know wtf is going on there, but I'm okay with pushing That2 for now.
Unvote
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@AustinL0926
If anything, we should probably have some number of people agree to use some item, and then you pick one of them randomly.
I agree with this. Personally, I'm fine with not being given an item tonight.
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@AustinL0926
Going to need you to explain this a bit more.I agree that he's likely character and role confirmed, but why do you think that makes him town?
Two reasons: first, Luna said that the theme split is fairly simple, and I can't see how Ted Bundy as a claim stands out in any way, shape or form from all the other claims so far, plus my own character. Second, we know that scum were not given fakeclaims, and claiming Ted Bundy, one of the most famous serial killers ever, would just be way too risky. There's a difference between making a risky move as scum and being reckless and borderline suicidal. So Ted Bundy has to be his real character, at which point refer to my first point. Also, there's the point that WF made earlier: it's really hard for me to see Vader instaclaiming Popular this game as scum after what happened in the last one. Yeah, that's something of a WIFOM argument, but I really buy it tbh.
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@Savant
If we did go that route, we should have him claim both his characters/roles, then pick one randomly to lynch. That way he's incentivized not to lie about either.
That's... actually not a terrible idea. Though I'd still rather us try to nail scum tbh.
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Character is obscure and not well known
Eh, I think that she'd be much better-known in Britain, same thing with my character. I feel like I may have heard about Hindley once or twice before tbh. The wiki page vaguely rings a bell in my mind.
I would also be willing to lynch pie 2 unless he becomes more active
I am also waiting for Pie to show up. Feels like I'm waiting for Godot.
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I know it seems like I'm going hard against you Savant, and I am, but truthfully I'm going back and forth in my mind right now. The way you're defending yourself doesn't come across as desperate, and you do have a fairly consistent meta. Of course, you would also know that and could use that as an argument to help you as scum. Not sure what to make of your justification. I need to think about this a bit.
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@Savant
If I was scum, part of an obvious pair, and was going to fake claim, why would I soft claim someone similar to my actual role?
I'm not necessarily saying Hindley is your actual character, just that you had her in mind in case your Wuornos soft went south.
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@Savant
Did the same thing last game, and it didn't work, but it's worked in the past.
The reason it didn't work last game is because you've done it successfully in the past. You gotta change up your meta from time to time.
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